GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #112

[LAborn]

I hesitate to drudge stuff up, but here I go. I re-watched the Dateline special after watching the Prime series (as my memory isn't the best and just wanted to fill in gaps). One of the experts in the Dateline special spoke about a search BK did about "drugs" and "sleeping". I think what he planned and what happened are two different things. Do you think he intended to drug his victim? Sorry if this is clumsy.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

remember this report from two years ago?

Incidents involving women. Also check out the phrase - mixed population!
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speculating -

Even if BK had progressed to trial we probably wouldn't have got answers on how his behaviour was - perhaps - accommodated rather than sanctioned and addressed in a meaningful way. What was on his record? and what wasn't included in references as he progressed through Higher Ed?

Attorney General in Idaho ought to be commissioning some kind of inquiry -to get his records - but I won't hold my breath.
Don't the parents have a right to know whether ticking time-bomb BK's issues were repeatedly brushed- off as he progressed through 3 or 4 educational organisations?
What if his increasing misogyny was set aside or ignored because the focus had been on supporting BK through his history of adversity - his weight, his drug problem, his special needs etc.

( BTW Both Dr Brucato and Dr Grande think that his autism diagnosis might later get overturned for something much more serious - by psychs in prison - although ofc they caveat that by saying obviously they've never been able to screen him )

Bryan Kohberger was moved away from female students, admi...

One of Kohberger's former friends, Jack Baylis, also spoke to Fox Nation about the case and the arrest, saying that Kohberger often was "frustrated" with women.

www.newsweek.com

There are federal regulations that prevent release of educational records without the students' permission. Even parents don't have access to college students' grades or disciplinary records without getting the student sign a release.

The other problem here is that in the two examples we have in front of us, where BK has issues with other people, the schools did the right thing. He was removed from the program at Monroe Career and Technical Institute and from the PhD program at WSU, where he was properly mentored and given feedback about the problems in his teaching and his fellowship was terminated. So that leaves us with his undergrad and master's studies. But here is where the problems with your point become visible.

He did an associate's degree at a local community college, finishing in 2018.
He did his bachelor's at DeSales, finishing in 2020. He commuted to both schools, if I recall correctly. Chances are at the undergraduate level, he may not have had professors in more than one or two classes and since his undergrad education was divided into two parts at two institutions, it would be surprising if he had the same professor in enough courses for one of them to notice a pattern in his behavior. It's also worth noting that Spring 2020 semester would have been interrupted by COVID. Most universities in PA went full online after Spring Break, so he couldn't have done 4 full semesters in person there.

Here is what Josh Ferraro, a fellow student and lab partner at DeSales said about BK:

As a commuter student, Kohberger came and went from DeSales’ campus during his undergraduate psychology studies. Ferraro said Kohberger kept to himself, and didn’t show any outward signs of something more menacing.

BK did his master's online, where his in-person behavior would not have been a problem. While I think the lack of success in his master's project would have been an academic concern for me, it's fair to recall that the first semester or two in the master's program coincided with the COVID pandemic. That likely did not affect a fully online graduate program, but faculty at all levels were stressed in that fall semester, especially if they were required to teach in-person.

Professors in academic classes have anywhere from 20-200 students in classes, depending on the course and the institution. We have students who are interested, indifferent, not prepared for academic work, and not attending. We have boys who follow Andrew Tate, LGBTQ+ students, kids who don't speak English as their primary language, and earnest kids who want to be lawyers and chemists and nurses. We have them in class 3 hours per week, on average, and our job is to engage our students with the theories, ideas, cases and questions raised by our courses. It's not at all surprising that a guy who wants to be the smartest kid in the room focused on making good grades and making his professors think he is the smartest kid in the room. So I don't think there is anything much to mine from his academic work.

I think any interactions with women, including his use of social media, will be more enlightening.

 

[LAMARQ]

I watched the Prime docuseries and I'm really surprised no one from the college went to the house when they first heard. Those poor kids just sitting outside with no local family or knowing what was going on until the message went out. So sad. (Edited to fix spelling)

 

[CredibleSauce]

Which sounds like any party house on/near any college campus, College City, State, USA. Past, present, future. And most everybody survives those antics, grows up and goes on to live good, decent lives...

On the early morning of 11/13/2022, if not for BK and his sinister agenda, XK would have inadvertently and unhappily, stirred some sleepy roommates, including the barking kind, with her 4 am DD delivery, all would be forgiven and as likely forgotten by late morning when everyone awakened, full lives ahead.

Maybe ten minutes of hard to process noise and it was over. I can see falling asleep in the hopes it was a nightmare of l'd wake up from, never once thinking it might be the nightmare it turned out to be.

JMO

It’s not like someone intending to commit murder would be averse to picking a lock or quietly breaking a window to enter even if the house had been locked.
Yeah it’s one extra layer of security and we’ll probably never know if that factored in his decision to target 1122 King Rd, but if he was determined to enter that house, I don’t think breaking and entering would have been beyond the scope of crimes he was willing to commit.

 

[LAborn]

I watched the Prime docuseries and I'm really surprised no one from the college went to the house when they first heard. Those poor kids just sitting outside with no local family or knowing what was going on until the message went out. So sad. (Edited to fix spelling)

Agree, that was really strange. They put out a campus wide alert but didn't send a campus admin to the location! LE and univ. admin failed the victims and students all around.

 

[iamshadow21]

I hesitate to drudge stuff up, but here I go. I re-watched the Dateline special after watching the Prime series (as my memory isn't the best and just wanted to fill in gaps). One of the experts in the Dateline special spoke about a search BK did about "drugs" and "sleeping". I think what he planned and what happened are two different things. Do you think he intended to drug his victim? Sorry if this is clumsy.

I think it's possible his fantasy evolved, or that he had multiple fantasies that eventually, he chose one from to enact.

I think that the choice of the knife, the speed at which the attack took place from the moment he entered the home to when he left - this isn't the actions of someone whose intent was to take his time. It was to get in, inflict maximum damage, and get out.

Perhaps if he hadn't been caught, we would have seen his approach changing to spending more time with a victim, enacting sadism and control, before killing. Bundy evolved that way. He began with bludgeoning home invasions, changed to blitz attack abductions using his car that sometimes lasted hours before killing, before decompensating back to home invasions with brutal, swift violence in Florida.

Or perhaps if he'd chosen a single woman living alone for his first time rather than a house with multiple occupants he would have drawn it out, used drugs or restraints to control her.

Thank goodness we will never know, and neither will he. The only restraints he will ever have, he will be wearing.

MOO

 

[LAborn]

I think it's possible his fantasy evolved, or that he had multiple fantasies that eventually, he chose one from to enact.

I think that the choice of the knife, the speed at which the attack took place from the moment he entered the home to when he left - this isn't the actions of someone whose intent was to take his time. It was to get in, inflict maximum damage, and get out.

Perhaps if he hadn't been caught, we would have seen his approach changing to spending more time with a victim, enacting sadism and control, before killing. Bundy evolved that way. He began with bludgeoning home invasions, changed to blitz attack abductions using his car that sometimes lasted hours before killing, before decompensating back to home invasions with brutal, swift violence in Florida.

Or perhaps if he'd chosen a single woman living alone for his first time rather than a house with multiple occupants he would have drawn it out, used drugs or restraints to control her.

Thank goodness we will never know, and neither will he. The only restraints he will ever have, he will be wearing.

MOO

Thank you. Agreed, thank goodness he was stopped when he was.

 

[iamshadow21]

Agree, that was really strange. They put out a campus wide alert but didn't send a campus admin to the location! LE and univ. admin failed the victims and students all around.

As multiple people stated, they had absolutely no idea how to handle the public relations side of things. Nobody had any clue, so they weren't acting with a concept of how it would come across to the community. That lack of direction certainly created fear and mistrust in the early days of the investigation. The mayor of a small town shouldn't have been the only one talking to the press, but nobody in LE was taking the initiative. You also had the disastrous, frightening disclosures from the coroner about the violence of the scene. That should never have happened. It terrified the locals and traumatised the families.

MOO

 

[LadyL]

He did have access to a barber in jail through the Defense (like his fine suits and ties), he wasn't in prison yet.

I can see how his hair appeared much lighter as it was closely cropped to his head, which also made him appear younger verses a 30 year old man. He also changed his dressing from the serious business suits and ties to button down shirts and sometimes a tie.

A definite Defense strategy IMO.

oh ok it really looked coloured to me
so would they actually hire a barber to provide services in jail?
I can't believe that's allowed

 

[whiterhino]

I think it's possible his fantasy evolved, or that he had multiple fantasies that eventually, he chose one from to enact.

I think that the choice of the knife, the speed at which the attack took place from the moment he entered the home to when he left - this isn't the actions of someone whose intent was to take his time. It was to get in, inflict maximum damage, and get out.

Perhaps if he hadn't been caught, we would have seen his approach changing to spending more time with a victim, enacting sadism and control, before killing. Bundy evolved that way. He began with bludgeoning home invasions, changed to blitz attack abductions using his car that sometimes lasted hours before killing, before decompensating back to home invasions with brutal, swift violence in Florida.

Or perhaps if he'd chosen a single woman living alone for his first time rather than a house with multiple occupants he would have drawn it out, used drugs or restraints to control her.

Thank goodness we will never know, and neither will he. The only restraints he will ever have, he will be wearing.

MOO

RBBM

JMO it's like 2 different types of offenders. Violent and impersonal versus intimate time spent with the victim. MOO.

 

[SteveP]

I watched the Prime docuseries and I'm really surprised no one from the college went to the house when they first heard. Those poor kids just sitting outside with no local family or knowing what was going on until the message went out. So sad. (Edited to fix spelling)

I understand your sentiment, and do not disagree, but I will point out this happened on a Sunday morning, when the campus was very likely only staffed by essential personnel, and no senior members of staff or administration on campus. UI does not have its own police department. Moscow Police Dept, who responded to the initial 911 call, are contracted to provide law enforcement services to the university, and maintain an on-campus presence. The office of Public Safety and Security was likely only staffed with some of those very officers, and security guards on a Sunday morning, The Executive Director of Public Safety and Security or designee has the authority to broadcast Emergency Notifications to the university community using the Vandal Alert System. Completely guessing, but I doubt the director was working on a Sunday morning, but was probably notified by an officer on duty, and was authorized to put out at least the initial alert.

Finally, I am not sure what anyone from the university could have or even maybe would have been allowed to do, had they arrived at King Road. while LE was there, with the victims still inside. The students were huddled outside and likely being separated and watched over by LE on scene, and it was a sure bet that they were all going to be interviewed as soon as LE had the opportunity. I do not think any members of administration could have done anything for the kids at that time, other than just be there, as a symbolic show of support, which, admittedy, would have seemed appropriate. I think the kids likely needed their help and support in the immediate days later, moeso than that morning, when they had each other.

The university did seem to completely drop the ball in the immediate aftermath of the discovery of the murders, as poster @iamshadow21 so aptly pointed out. JMO

APM Chapter 95: Public Safety and Security | University of Idaho

University of Idaho Administrative Procedures Manual (APM) chapter ninety-five, public safety and security.

www.uidaho.edu

 

[iamshadow21]

RBBM

JMO it's like 2 different types of offenders. Violent and impersonal versus intimate time spent with the victim. MOO.

But it happens. As I mentioned, Bundy vacillated between both during his killing years. And he's far from the only serial offender to change what actions they take when they kill. Some, like Richard Ramirez, their only consistency was the merciless treatment of their victims. Some of Ramirez's victims he tortured for hours, others he shot impersonally in their home or in the street. He also abducted and raped a number of children before releasing them without killing them. This was all in the same window of his criminal activity, rather than being an evolution of style.

The idea of a killer who sticks to one way of doing things is less common than pop culture would have us believe. Killers may have preferences, but that doesn't mean they won't try something different out of curiosity, or select a victim different to their general preference on a whim or opportunistically. Even Gary Ridgway, who was the poster child for repetition, changed things up by murdering a woman his own age who he'd been dating because he was offended she wanted to leave his company early after a sexual encounter. As far as I know, all his other victims were sex workers and runaways, most of them very young, the majority of those teenagers. He also disposed of her body differently, staging it bizarrely, hoping her death would not be linked to the others.

MOO

 

[Gigiky]

I'm sure this was covered thoroughly in the threads but I had to give up 'catching up' on posts. Was there discussion of the murderer dyeing or highlighting his hair in prison? How would he have gotten permission to do that and also how would he have had access to a pair of scissors to trim his eyebrows? Do they have barbers in prison??

Yes they have barbers in prison.And the barbers have access to scissors. And are supervised by security staff. As far as dying their hair, no It's not allowed. Although the Inmates will come up with all manners of ways to color their hair. But it's short lived because it's against policy. And they will recieve a write -up that usually results in some kind of loss of privileges.

 

[Chloegirl]

oh ok it really looked coloured to me
so would they actually hire a barber to provide services in jail?
I can't believe that's allowed

This reminds me. It does not seem unprecedented that he colored his hair. Look at the selfie, that looks like a self dye job on the red side. I honestly think he was trying to cover something else there. I find this super suspicious following events. 28-year-old men do not dye their hair, let alone red. JMOO

Timeline: University of Idaho murder case and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger

A timeline of the University of Idaho murders and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger, who is charged in the case.

www.yahoo.com

(I think you have to scroll down to June 2025 to locate the thumbs up selfie)

 

[Megnut]

Another 360° view of BK's apparent route home.

It's vast, lots of turns... would have been foggy and pitch black... how did he know the way????? And if he stopped somewhere to hide his kill kit, how would he ever find that spot again? Could he have had another device just for navigation? Like a Garmin and pitched it?

 

[LinasK]

Why did he select them?

Somehow he found their social media posts, and he had a thing for blondes. He didn't want to hunt at WSU, it'd be linked to him. They probably rejected him as did other women because he was so creepy.

IMO

 

[Luna20]

And yet many killers ARE stalkers. Like the killer of actress Rebecca Shaeffer. Stalking is a very dangerous behavior.

Right because it’s rarely just being a stalker. It’s a gateway to gather information for what they are going to do to the victims (a master plan). All the while their obsession grows to dangerous levels.

 

[gremlin444]

Agree, that was really strange. They put out a campus wide alert but didn't send a campus admin to the location! LE and univ. admin failed the victims and students all around.

Finally, I am not sure what anyone from the university could have or even maybe would have been allowed to do, had they arrived at King Road. while LE was there, with the victims still inside. The students were huddled outside and likely being separated and watched over by LE on scene, and it was a sure bet that they were all going to be interviewed as soon as LE had the opportunity. I do not think any members of administration could have done anything for the kids at that time, other than just be there, as a symbolic show of support, which, admittedy, would have seemed appropriate. I think the kids likely needed their help and support in the immediate days later, moeso than that morning, when they had each other.

There are several photos of the kids sitting on the ground out front by the garbage dumpsters across the street, with LE standing near them.

I don't think LE would have even let university admin come up to talk to the kids, especially not before they had been interviewed.

I believe that once Maisie and Hunter Chapin were there and more LE responded than just the original car, LE would have also prevented any other students from joining them as well.

 

[Missyrocks5]

I hesitate to drudge stuff up, but here I go. I re-watched the Dateline special after watching the Prime series (as my memory isn't the best and just wanted to fill in gaps). One of the experts in the Dateline special spoke about a search BK did about "drugs" and "sleeping". I think what he planned and what happened are two different things. Do you think he intended to drug his victim? Sorry if this is clumsy.

I tend to think MM was his target. Pink boots in the window. He walked right up there to her room, and based on his searches that we now know, I do question whether he had planned some sort of sexual interaction. I agree with others who have said that that led to his rage at Kaylee being there to ruin his fantasy. Why she was so battered by him.

Unless he ever tells the truth, we will never know, but I do think it is possible that he thought he could get in and only have his fantasy with Maddie and slip out.

 

[gremlin444]

This reminds me. It does not seem unprecedented that he colored his hair. Look at the selfie, that looks like a self dye job on the red side. I honestly think he was trying to cover something else there. I find this super suspicious following events. 28-year-old men do not dye their hair, let alone red. JMOO

Timeline: University of Idaho murder case and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger

A timeline of the University of Idaho murders and the arrest of Bryan Kohberger, who is charged in the case.

www.yahoo.com

(I think you have to scroll down to June 2025 to locate the thumbs up selfie)

The selfie is 1) of incredibly low quality and 2) depends on where the source got it from--did they get it from the court filing (in which cases they got it by doing a screenshot from the pdf of the court document), which is where most news articles got it from originally or did they do a screen grab from the Amazon special (which was also likely from a screenshot of the pdf of the court document--so that's a screen shot of a screen shot).

This is the court document that had the photo (scroll all the way to pg 17):

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/031725-States-Response-Defendants-MiL-7-RE-Witness-Identification-Bushy-Eyebrows.pdf

You'll notice a lot is off about the picture--the background has a weird pink tint to it as do the bathroom shower tiles and his white dress shirt. The original image would have had plenty looking "off" about it because it was taken in a bathroom under what was likely fluorescent lighting, messing up the colors. And from looking at previous BK selfies from years prior to this, the boy can't take a good selfie--always too dark or too washed out.

The official AP photos of the plea hearing have the issue of being taken with him in front of a semi transparent white window covering in the court room on a sunny afternoon. That light as well as the extreme shortness of his hair on the sides makes the hair look lighter. Even the top is shorter, so he's got less hair product in it, making the top look lighter than when his curls on top were longer and full of a lot of hair product to tame them the way he wants. I've only found one photo of him where he wasn't directly in front of that window, and even in that photo he's only just off to the side of it:

https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/a545f592-...rger-03-ap-jt-250702_1751477525301_hpMain.jpg

(from this article: Bryan Kohberger admits to Idaho college killings in plea hearing)