GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #112

[LinasK]

Once he has made his "plea" is it true he can pull it back?

Other than that what would be the point of AT not wanting it released today? And it can't be fear for his safety...

I don't think you can do "backsies" and recant a plea, but I could be wrong...

 

[MissyRie]

No we're not. I guess we can dream they made that a requirement, but I tend to think we'd know that by now.

I was just hoping that the gag order kept us from knowing yet.

 

[LinasK]

Yes of course but I was trying to get my mind around your statement, "I thought defense was for the wrongfully accused..." How would that work, in your view?

I come into your office as an attorney, you evaluate my case, and you say, "Sorry I can't represent you because I think you are guilty?"

Is that how you think defense lawyers should work?

Defense attorneys DO have the right to refuse clients. If that's their internal belief, then the defendant seeks out a different attorney.

 

[Sillybilly]

I don't think you can do "backsies" and recant a plea, but I could be wrong...

My understanding is that a plea can only be changed up until a case goes to the jury. As for an appeal, it has to be based on a legality, not just because the convicted changed their mind or didn't like the verdict.

So IMO, he can appeal but it won't be granted. Prior to accepting the plea, Judge Beale questioned Kohberger on how his agreement to the plea deal came about and everything BK responded indicated that he was fully aware of what it entailed.

 

[Ghostwheel]

No we're not. I guess we can dream they made that a requirement, but I tend to think we'd know that by now.

I am still hoping for an after sentencing interview by LE. BK doesn't have to give one, but it sure would be enlightening if he did.

 

[xjd11]

In the case of Jesse Matthew (killed Morgan Harrington and Hannah Graham) in Virginia, he took a plea deal and received multiple life sentences without chance of parole or appeal.

I think he had the same thing where he could appeal the sentence for a short period of time but that would not be in his favor because that would call off the plea deal and make him face the death penalty and trial.
He never appealed in that time period and is in prison now until he dies.hg

That is what I am hoping for in the FINAL OUTCOME in this Idaho case...but it may be legally different in ID versus VA.

thanks for bringing up this point. ugh, what an awful excuse for a human is Jesse Matthew, I had almost forgotten about him.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Re the Vicky Ward and Patterson book:

There's lots of notable stuff, but in relation to this theme - hoodwinking and manipulating, he could turn on the charm and appear normal when he needed to, he doesn't always show the social disabilities which the Defense argued for him. ( One example, he's chit-chatting to the woman who works in vehicle reg, sometime late November and agreeing with her about the Idaho murders ' just horrific' etc he replies)

Thank you — more evidence of BK’s ability to charm or put women at ease when advantageous to him.

Here’s another instance that I forgot: Idaho murders suspect was 'charming' at medical appointment

IMO

 

[Luna20]

Thank you — more evidence of BK’s ability to charm or put women at ease when advantageous to him.

And another instance that I forgot: Idaho murders suspect was 'charming' at medical appointment

IMO

I believe he has done that to AT. One of his earliest court appearances BK looked at her with a smile when he walked towards her. After he sat down he gives her another smile and shakes his head in agreement. He looked happy, as though he was greeting a long time friend. ‘Let me trick one more female’. So creepy.

 

[New Penny]

Yes of course but I was trying to get my mind around your statement, "I thought defense was for the wrongfully accused..." How would that work, in your view?

I come into your office as an attorney, you evaluate my case, and you say, "Sorry I can't represent you because I think you are guilty?"

Is that how you think defense lawyers should work?

How about “In my professional opinion the Authorities have a rock-solid case against you. I’m going to work on your behalf to get the best outcome.”

 

[MassGuy]

I am still hoping for an after sentencing interview by LE. BK doesn't have to give one, but it sure would be enlightening if he did.

And that’s something I do feel good about. He liked being analyzed by that psychologist, and I think that would apply to someone like Ramsland as well.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946334544866545771

 

[New Penny]

I wonder if the Goncalves are going to try to agitate BK and get him to have some sort of public display, pure speculation but I just get that feeling moo

I’m torn about this. On one hand I would want to tell everyone how wonderful my child was, and how missed they are and all the other qualities that made them the special people they were but I think most of the world already knows this and are heartbroken for them.

On the other hand: I believe BK will love to hear how his actions have devastated their family, took their precious children, ruined their lives and ripped holes in their heart that will never heal. He will REVEL in that fact! His satisfaction will know no bounds.

What he does NOT want to hear: how he failed in the “perfect crime.” It will pain him immensely to hear about his stupidity of leaving the knife sheath, the various caught-on -camera scenes, (ex: peeling away from the crime scene and almost losing control of his vehicle; the license plate oopsie) how quickly he was apprehended and how he was clearly not the smartest person in the room. We could go on and on ad nauseam the mistakes and missteps he made. Clearly not the genius he thinks he is but as the coward he will be remembered. AND IT WILL RIP HIM APART.

I’m thinking I would go line by line every mistake, every misstep, every nail in his own coffin, not my child’s.

MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946350297380450620

 

[kat-999]

I truly believe that the reason BK killed those four Idaho students, which, by the way, still breaks my heart, is because he wanted to know what it felt like being on the other side. No other reason it’s just that simple is my opinion.

 

[Gemmie]

I truly believe that the reason BK killed those four Idaho students, which, by the way, still breaks my heart, is because he wanted to know what it felt like being on the other side. No other reason it’s just that simple is my opinion.

So you're saying you think he specifically went there with the intent on killing those 4 people? What makes you think that? Honestly curious how you've come to that conclusion.

I can't get away from thinking he had 1 target that he had become enamored with, "lost it" when she had another woman in bed with her, and Xana and Ethan were also collateral damage due to the fact she was still up and about at that hour and likely ran to her room.

 

[Ursamajr]

What he does NOT want to hear: how he failed in the “perfect crime.” It will pain him immensely to hear about his stupidity of leaving the knife sheath, the various caught-on -camera scenes, (ex: peeling away from the crime scene and almost losing control of his vehicle; the license plate oopsie) how quickly he was apprehended and how he was clearly not the smartest person in the room. We could go on and on ad nauseam the mistakes and missteps he made. Clearly not the genius he thinks he is but as the coward he will be remembered. AND IT WILL RIP HIM APART.

I’m thinking I would go line by line every mistake, every misstep, every nail in his own coffin, not my child’s.

MOO

(Snipped by me)

Honestly, I don't think it's unnatural, after knowing what he did, to want to see him suffer this.

 

[Chloegirl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946334544866545771

It would be hard to write anything articulate. I would probably go with Hey Bryan, FU. JMOO

 

[Sundog]

I believe he has done that to AT. One of his earliest court appearances BK looked at her with a smile when he walked towards her. After he sat down he gives her another smile and shakes his head in agreement. He looked happy, as though he was greeting a long time friend. ‘Let me trick one more female’. So creepy.

BK may have been thinking that, but AT is no fool. She knows her job and does it well. This wasn't her first rodeo. Establishing rapport with your client isn't a bad thing, nor unprofessional.

 

[Sundog]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1946334544866545771

I hope SG goes last to give his victim impact statement, so that the other families can leave the courtroom if they want to and give their statements first in case things get more detailed than they would like. It's possible that not every family wants to hear, or is comfortable hearing, the kind of details that SG wants to share.

 

[fcavanaugh]

IMO Victim Impact Statements at sentencing will give voice to the murdered victim(s)/beloved family member(s) who no longer have a voice due to the senseless, absolutely horrific actions of the monster.
A time for the victims family member/s to give them a voice to be heard in open court, speak directly to the court/Judge, citizens of Idaho, and the monster IF they so choose to do so.

I don’t expect said monster to be affected by the statements nor show the slightest flinch of remorse, sorrow nor any emotion whatsoever really. A professed emotionless being who allegedly views humans as sacks of meat and has no feelings or emotions not even for his own family (which I personally believe is true), and who admittedly premeditated, ambushed, and slaughtered four defenseless young people in their own home, most of whom were asleep.

For what??? To see if killing someone (if initially intended one target) or multiple people at once would make him actually feel something????
Was rejected by and so hates pretty women and the men who can relate and hang out with them????
Thought he could get away with murdering someone/more than one person in blitz ambush attack and write a research paper/book about the mysterious, lightening quick, elusive, ingenious KBK (Ka-Bar Killer)???? Maybe all of the above??, possibly more?? Who really knows. Could be a combo of a couple and/or multiple motives. We’ll likely never know, not for a good long time anyways, if ever imo. The monster might not even fully know why/understand himself. IMO it boils down to likely as yet to be diagnosed and/or publicly disclosed very disordered person as in personality disordered/disordered thinking but imo it’s not only some PD or combination thereof he likely has, it takes someone totally deranged, maniacal, and evil to the core imo to be able to do what this confessed killer monster did to K,M,X,E. Of course there is no valid, logical, rational reason why nor any excuse for his evil actions that fateful early morning but I understand it’s only human nature to want to know the why?? I’m as curious as anyone. It’s just we don’t always get the answer to that imo very important question.

Yes it’s frustrating but really, if this monster ever does sit down for an interview for a book with KR or with investigators or criminal profiler professionals, does anyone really believe he will reveal the whole truth??? Personally, I’m very skeptical, as most of these killer monsters are imo master manipulators and tend to lie and embellish for any reason or no reason at all, sometimes just for shock value alone, and historically tend to blame everyone but themselves for their dastardly deeds-their traumatic childhood, they hate their Mother, or their Father, Siblings were mean to them, they were bullied by their peers etc, etc. and last but not least, their victim(s) made them do it. SMDH. Mind you, lots of people go through some of those same negative traumatic experiences yet never harm another soul, let alone violently murder someone(s).

Suffice to say the truth and most of these monsters are not friends, accountability is foreign concept to them, blame is usually the name of their game. IMO I still think had he not been caught, he’d have killed again, and again, and…so kudos to all LE involved for identifying and getting this stranger to the victims’ monster killer off the streets as fast as they did (with help from numerous stupid mistakes the killer made) before anyone else got hurt/killed.

IMO a person capable of such atrocity does not care one lick about what he did/the four innocent lives he took from this world nor how his actions affected his victims’ immediate families, the surviving roommates, and the wider circle of victims’-surviving roommates’ families, friends of the victims’, the community, his own family etc. So much collateral damage/victims he caused trauma and suffering to by deciding he had a right to take four beautiful lights out of this world.

Having said that, IF and a big IF he does appear to show any emotion at his sentencing or during, after victim impact statements, imo it will be insincere to say the least, a mask. Actually, I expect to see him sitting there motionless, robotic, with possible smirk on his face aka dupers delight which imo he’s sported at some other hearings. Nothing more, nothing less. He.does.not.care.about.anyone. Empty shell. Hollow. Vacant. Soulless.

At any rate, I’m glad to hear SG has reconsidered and will join his other family members’ and give a statement honoring Kaylee/giving her a voice at sentencing. And any of the other victims’ family members (Xana, Maddie) or the surviving victim roommates, friends and victims HJ and EA (if allowed) that choose to make victim impact statements, if it is cathartic and helps them in their personal grieving and healing journey, good on them. I also have so much respect for the Chapin family and their decision to not attend sentencing and as I understand will be spending the day as a family on their boat honoring, remembering, and celebrating Ethan’s life. A beautiful way to honor their Son and Brother. These families are all entitled to their own feelings and honoring their beloved Daughters’, Son, Sister, Brother, however they see fit, whatever works best for them in their individual lives and healing journey is up to them. The Grief journey is very personal, not a one size fits all so to speak. Each family member and victim will move through and process the stages of grief at their own individual pace and move on when they are ready. I wish all victims’ strength next Wednesday and hope through honoring their children/family member, friends, however they choose to do so, again, that it’s cathartic and gives them some sense of peace. I think SG will deliver a powerful statement and have faith he will not be lunging at the monster or trying to agitate him or anything like that. I think he’s well aware behavior like that won’t be tolerated and he’d be quickly removed from the courtroom. So I think he’ll keep his composure at least really hoping so, Kaylee needs him there speaking up for her. I noted that he seemed much more reserved and calmer in the last couple recent interviews I watched of him on NN and GMA so that gives me hope too that he will remain composed in court on Wednesday and while giving his statement.

I really just am in awe of all the families/victims’ of this horrendous crime and how they’ve remained brave and strong fighting for justice for their children/loved ones in the face of an evil monster that senselessly and viciously stole four beautiful souls from them and this earth where I’m sure they’d have all likely done great things that benefitted society.

There is no timeframe attached to the grieving process and each and every victim deals with and processes grief in their own way, in their own time. They all, all parents’ involved especially that lost and had to bury their precious children have been through a nightmare of epic proportions and I support them all in their devastation, grief, and personal healing journey’s.

Godspeed to the victims’ families and all other victims’ affected by this horrendous crime.
Good riddance to the monster.

All of the above IMHOO

RIP dear Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan xx