GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[soap mama]

Has there been any indication of how Murphy ended up in the empty bedroom upstairs? I don't see the monster caring for the animal. I have not read anything in the police reports I've made it through that they found the dog and it what condition.

There are so many pieces of the puzzle we may never know...

I bet money had his own dog bed in K's room and him sleeping alone was comfortable with him?

 

[girlhasnoname]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948721124117766457

I really understood Alivia so much more after watching this. I felt hopeful when she said that she finally felt she could begin to move forward.

I think after the adrenaline, rage, sorrow fueled emotional 'dump' from the various VI statements has helped some of the victims turn a corner. I pray they find some peace.

All of these poor families and survivors have endured so much unimaginable pain and loss.

None of us will forget Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan and how wonderful they were. Ever.

JMO

 

[AngTxGal]

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Plus you have this one re the open front door - we'd heard about this in news reports in 2023 but I'd never heard the full account from the neigbor.


' wide open ' between 9 am & 10am


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the Mail article also summarises various neigbors' comments about the dog being outside, barking.
IDK what to make of them but if Kaylee's bedroom door was open it helps explain why Murphy might have been outside after the murderer left but I doubt Murphy can open the front door himself. Bizarre

here's the Mail snippet

Explosive Bryan Kohberger files: Fingernail scratches, chilling clues

Here Daily Mail unpacks the major revelations unearthed in the trove of newly-released police records about the Idaho murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I wasn’t sure where Murphy had been located when found, but I thought he had been locked in a room. It seems he was taken in by animal control and found in a pound across town at one point until KGs boyfriend got him out. Is that right?

If Murphy was outside and the front door was open soon after the murders- he may have been present during the attacks, and walked through blood. Was he in KG’s room and BK let him out?
Murphy is a Labradoodle, I think, smart but not at all aggressive.
I assume dogs can tell if a person is deceased- or at least that something is wrong.
And feel fear, and a need to alert others that something is wrong.

IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Lord knows his parents never expected to raise such a troubled child, but this example of not hold him accountable consistently for infractions and interactions, is/was not helpful, insight.

yes but if you read the whole book you can see a long list of interventions & failed fixes
- getting him into rehab twice
- calling the cops on him ( theft of sister's phone)
- his dad accompanying him to that gym for ' troubled kids'
- the mum thinking Bible Class would help
- dad trying to help him to get jobs such as security linked to school dad was linked to
- pursuing the diagnosis.

that's just off the top of my head.

Like many of you, I imagine that the sisters faced reality faster than the parents and- as often happens in these cases - parents sometimes split with one parent being more of a 'sucker' than the other. ( We heard that he's very bonded to Mom so maybe she's easier to manipulate?)

I can also imagine that over the years they keep chalking it down to an ' issue' - his weight, his autism, his addiction, his visual snow etc.
I also think other people did the same. ( At Monroe Tech or HS - can't recall exactly now - administrator said they'd had to put him into single sex classes at one point. Red flag. Maybe not a good idea to explain away or accommodate a boy who has serious issues with the opposite sex. Only org which seemed to take that seriously was WSU - sacked by December)

As Dr Brucato said this week - those facial injuries can just as easily be about rage towards opposite sex, or as @girlhasnoname posted today a certain type of woman he resents. Personally I believe, if it hadn't been these victims , it would have been other young women on another date, whoever fits his schema

Not even getting into how accurate his diagnosis really was ( the autism)

 

[sunshineray]

Has there been any indication of how Murphy ended up in the empty bedroom upstairs? I don't see the monster caring for the animal. I have not read anything in the police reports I've made it through that they found the dog and it what condition.

There are so many pieces of the puzzle we may never know...

Only thing I read in the documents was when J was allowed to pick him up from the pound. I'll bet Murphy was used to sleeping in his crate at night and Kaylee and Maddie's doors were left open. He was probably able to move around and wound up outside barking for awhile, according to one neighbor, and the came back in.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Wow, the look on BK’s sisters face is screaming “get me the f out of here”! Is it not?
Family has a right and obligation to support each other, even if they are killers. I don’t fault them for doing so- I would be there for my son and brother if they did a horrible thing like this.
But- there would be zero illusion that I supported his actions, and I would cry for the victims, and once he was taken back to prison I would have a difficult time purchasing a plane ticket to go see him.
His sisters saw the signs, how could you not?

IMO

I’m finding it really hard to judge his family. Some folks come into this world wired differently & the parents may do the best they can do. Sometimes, parents learn as they go. They may have thought he was doing better, beating a heroin addiction, etc. I do think his Dad realized his lack of social skills as he said something to BK’s neighbor @ the college apartments.

There’s always the nature v nurture v combo of nature & nurturing, sometimes it leaves a big ? mark. I will admit I googled long face/head structure with low ears, but none of the syndromes don’t fit him.

I’m sure it wasn’t pleasant to hear all the horrible things their offspring has done.

 

[soap mama]

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Plus you have this one re the open front door - we'd heard about this in news reports in 2023 but I'd never heard the full account from the neigbor.


' wide open ' between 9 am & 10am


supp 20
View attachment 603828


ETA

the Mail article also summarises various neigbors' comments about the dog being outside, barking.
IDK what to make of them but if Kaylee's bedroom door was open it helps explain why Murphy might have been outside after the murderer left but I doubt Murphy can open the front door himself. Bizarre

here's the Mail snippet

Explosive Bryan Kohberger files: Fingernail scratches, chilling clues

Here Daily Mail unpacks the major revelations unearthed in the trove of newly-released police records about the Idaho murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

could Murphy have been out on her balcony?

 

[sunshineray]

yes but if you read the whole book you can see a long list of interventions & failed fixes
- getting him into rehab twice
- calling the cops on him ( theft of sister's phone)
- his dad accompanying him to that gym for ' troubled kids'
- the mum thinking Bible Class would help
- dad trying to help him to get jobs such as security linked to school dad was linked to
- pursuing the diagnosis.

that's just off the top of my head.

Like many of you, I imagine that the sisters faced reality faster than the parents and- as often happens in these cases - parents sometimes split with one parent being more of a 'sucker' than the other. ( We heard that he's very bonded to Mom so maybe she's easier to manipulate?)

I can also imagine that over the years they keep chalking it down to an ' issue' - his weight, his autism, his addiction, his visual snow etc.
I also think other people did the same. ( At Monroe Tech or HS - can't recall exactly now - administrator said they'd had to put him into single sex classes at one point. Red flag. Maybe not a good idea to explain away or accommodate a boy who has serious issues with the opposite sex. Only org which seemed to take that seriously was WSU - sacked by December)

As Dr Brucato said this week - those facial injuries can just as easily be about rage towards opposite sex, or as @girlhasnoname posted today a certain type of woman he resents. Personally I believe, if it hadn't been these victims , it would have been other young women on another date, whoever fits his schema

Not even getting into how accurate his diagnosis really was ( the autism)

With that one TA friend of his saying he saw scratches and busted up knuckles on the killer in the months before the murders, makes one wonder if there were any others hurt by this monster.

 

[Miss Poovy]

With that one TA friend of his saying he saw scratches and busted up knuckles on the killer in the months before the murders, makes one wonder if there were any others hurt by this monster.

I don’t know if brass knuckles are still a thing, but they can do a lot of damage.

 

[soap mama]

tbh, I can't remember between all the books and documentaries, but have this visual that he came in through the sliding door, went up to Maddies room. Xana went to investigate when she heard the commotion and maybe that's the noise of the pong table, as he chased her back to her room.

 

[seasideForest]

I don't think psychopaths can be reformed and not having a TV or computer is hardly torture!

No, it's not torture, but as I posted further back (or maybe on previous thread, can't remember) even the psychopaths get TV etc to keep them entertained IN ORDER TO keep them from ransacking the prisons, attacking each other and the prison staff etc.

 

[seasideForest]

tbh, I can't remember between all the books and documentaries, but have this visual that he came in through the sliding door, went up to Maddies room. Xana went to investigate when she heard the commotion and maybe that's the noise of the pong table, as he chased her back to her room.

BBM
Yes, I saw that. I think it was by somebody with 'GH' written in black on the video screen before it starts or maybe GI? Name begins with G + I for investigates? As far as I know his 'reconstructions' of the event are hypotheses in part, so Idk that Xana actually went to investigate, unless of course that has come up in any of the papers released in the past couple of days.

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t know if brass knuckles are still a thing, but they can do a lot of damage.

In googling it, they are sold online except in states where they are illegal

 

[LAborn]

yes but if you read the whole book you can see a long list of interventions & failed fixes
- getting him into rehab twice
- calling the cops on him ( theft of sister's phone)
- his dad accompanying him to that gym for ' troubled kids'
- the mum thinking Bible Class would help
- dad trying to help him to get jobs such as security linked to school dad was linked to
- pursuing the diagnosis.

that's just off the top of my head.

Like many of you, I imagine that the sisters faced reality faster than the parents and- as often happens in these cases - parents sometimes split with one parent being more of a 'sucker' than the other. ( We heard that he's very bonded to Mom so maybe she's easier to manipulate?)

I can also imagine that over the years they keep chalking it down to an ' issue' - his weight, his autism, his addiction, his visual snow etc.
I also think other people did the same. ( At Monroe Tech or HS - can't recall exactly now - administrator said they'd had to put him into single sex classes at one point. Red flag. Maybe not a good idea to explain away or accommodate a boy who has serious issues with the opposite sex. Only org which seemed to take that seriously was WSU - sacked by December)

As Dr Brucato said this week - those facial injuries can just as easily be about rage towards opposite sex, or as @girlhasnoname posted today a certain type of woman he resents. Personally I believe, if it hadn't been these victims , it would have been other young women on another date, whoever fits his schema

Not even getting into how accurate his diagnosis really was ( the autism)

I agree, by all accounts his parents were doing everything in their power to help him and hold him accountable. I suspect calling police over the stolen cell phone when he was a teenager was not easy. Frankly, even knowing what he did, I look at him and have difficulty reconciling who he appears to be (polite, well mannered) with what he did. I suspect his parents were the same and hoping for the best, while accepting his idiosyncrasies (autism, ocd, germaphobe, etc.).

Based on where he was earlier in his life, working through problems, getting his life on track, earning a masters, being accepted into a Ph.D. program with a teaching assistantship (this is not an easy feat, very competitive), his parents must have been very proud and thought they rounded the corner!!

Also, for dad to still hold onto the possibility of his innocence isn't surprising. His college professor/advisor did too.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Considering he left none of his blood behind, turning that knife to use the butt end to bludgeon seems a good way to cut yourself. He could have had something inside his glove, maybe brass knuckles on? Or possibly a blackjack around his wrist? Just some thoughts

They do make gloves that are resistant to cuts for gardening and the like. He could have had a pair of those I guess.
I bought a friend of mine a pair after she mindlessly stuck her hand under a running lawn mower. Yea. Many stitches later, she still has ten fingers.

 

[Miss Poovy]

In googling it, they are sold online except in states where they are illegal

In my childhood, I lived by a widow whose husband had been a policeman & one day she showed us his brass knuckles. She was a sweet lady but somewhat unusual. Later in life he had been a butcher and she painted chicken wishbones & hung them around her indoor doorways. On the other hand, she crotcheted baby booties for the new moms and made crotcheted twirly pony tail ties for the neighborhood girls. Anyway, brass knuckles are illegal to own in my state but it’s an open state as far as hand guns, no registration.

 

[cottonweaver]

I agree, by all accounts his parents were doing everything in their power to help him and hold him accountable. I suspect calling police over the stolen cell phone when he was a teenager was not easy. Frankly, even knowing what he did, I look at him and have difficulty reconciling who he appears to be (polite, well mannered) with what he did. I suspect his parents were the same and hoping for the best, while accepting his idiosyncrasies (autism, ocd, germaphobe, etc.).

Based on where he was earlier in his life, working through problems, getting his life on track, earning a masters, being accepted into a Ph.D. program with a teaching assistantship (this is not an easy feat, very competitive), his parents must have been very proud and thought they rounded the corner!!

Also, for dad to still hold onto the possibility of his innocence isn't surprising. His college professor/advisor did too.

Good point. Even Ramsland didn't believe it and most of his old pals didn't believe it when he'd been arrested.
( BTW The book does develop a theme of him using ' masks' to hide his true nature. Also his old friend, the young guy Jeremy Saba who was addicted to heroin warned his mom Connie that BK was highly manipulative. Coming from a heroin addict that's saying something and we did just watch him to try to schmooze a judge!)

obviously I want to add the caveat of TBC.
I can only go off what I've read & the authors only have limited info. They don't come across as feckless parents but who knows what will be further revealed. It could turn out that the sis demanded the cops be called over the phone?

 

[Dexter12]

Probably something from his Mother I would guess to focus on while hearing the Victim Impact Statements and being ripped to shreds.

JMO

I was thinking it might have been from his Dad, so strange that it was a black heart. Maybe the killer colored it in...............

 

[sunshineray]

In my childhood, I lived by a widow whose husband had been a policeman & one day she showed us his brass knuckles. She was a sweet lady but somewhat unusual. Later in life he had been a butcher and she painted chicken wishbones & hung them around her indoor doorways. On the other hand, she crotcheted baby booties for the new moms and made crotcheted twirly pony tail ties for the neighborhood girls. Anyway, brass knuckles are illegal to own in my state but it’s an open state as far as hand guns, no registration.

My Dad was a Statie and he had a pair. They are illegal now in my state.

 

[sunshineray]

Probably something from his Mother I would guess to focus on while hearing the Victim Impact Statements and being ripped to shreds.

JMO

Either that or he made his attorney a thank you card