GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[AngTxGal]

Just wondering, now that IDOC #163214 has pleaded guilty to all charges, and has been sentenced to life in prison with no opportunity for parole, does that have any bearing on the separate investigation into the source(s) of any leaks that were revealed in the Dateline episode? After reading the James Patterson book, I do not feel that anything of substance was leaked to that author, at all. Does this investigation continue, or does it just silently go away? Will we ever know anything more about it?

I wonder if some agree hasn’t taken place quietly behind closed doors?
This is one topic I do not know much about, maybe someone else will know.
IMO

 

[10ofRods]

One of the cops referred to DM using Kaylee. He/ she had the names mixed up.
That must be the doc you are referring to here.
It may have more info in there in terms of location of that room compared to the other rooms, then it will make more sense to be DMs room and not Kaylee’s room.

I thought Kaylee’s room was empty, that she had moved out and that is why she was in with Maddie. Maybe that isn’t the case.

IMO

No. It's been released for a while. It's from Sunday, when they name an officer as investigator and he is led through the crime scene. It's somewhere in 51-100in the document files. I'll try to find it again. I believe I've already linked to it.

Note: It's the very first document.

First, he sees Xana's body and then Ethan's. He later describes why those bodies remained as they were until 4 pm.

Then, he is taken up to the third floor, where he notes that Kaylee's room is neat and tidy (a reporter also caught a picture of her room - with bed made up and some furnishings - just as this LEO describes it). He says something like "the bed looked as if someone had been sleeping in it, and thrown back the covers and gotten out."

Then he describe's Maddie's room and those two bodies.

Here's the quote from the pdf uploaded to evidence files:

I then followed OFC Smith upstairs to the third floor of the residence. The third floor consisted of two bedrooms and one bathroom. The bedroom on the westside of the floor was later determined to be Kaylee Goncalves' room. This room appeared neat and picked up. The only thing of note was the sheets on the bed were pulled back in a manner which suggested someone had been laying in the bed and then gotten out of it

Emphasis mine.

It's attachment 51 at the document website.

I believe the room had some of Kaylee's things in it, but things were not strewn about, it was tidy. She had come for the weekend and likely brought a change of clothes plus other essentials. But things are neat. Murphy is of course no longer there as it's later on Sunday.

But note that there's a bed and bedding mentioned (just as that reporter's picture showed back when the story was breaking; probably asked by LE to not republish it or take it down).

 

[CHEL]

The Goncalves Family Page

We are slowly trying to process what we have been reading. Please understand we are all reading them at the same time as everyone else. Do you think this was a fair way to find out the absolute...

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We are slowly trying to process what we have been reading. Please understand we are all reading them at the same time as everyone else. Do you think this was a fair way to find out the absolute brutality Kaylee had endured. This was part of what we had been fighting for , for years! Tell us what happened to Kaylee, we deserve to know before the rest of the world.

 

[xjd11]

I have been out of pocket for the past week and am way behind in the thread. I apologize if the following has been addressed already.

The Door Dash driver interview is very interesting. I doubt she would have been much help to the prosecution if she had testified.

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Sources:

Kohberger Investigation Documents

Or

Moscow PD Kohberger Investigation Docs - Google Drive​

Reference: Cognitive Interview Technique

Note: I have only read the first 150 of the supplemental documents, so there may be another DoorDash driver interview.

Having read less than half of the available investigation documents, I can now see where some of the conspiracy theories originated. Unfortunately, I’m afraid several of these investigation documents are going to fuel further speculation by stubborn Probergers. I hope LE, the prosecution, and journalists remind everyone regularly that despite the messiness of the complicated investigation, LE got their man.

IMO

thanks for those links, very interesting.

 

[10ofRods]

Is death penalty only administered via firing squad there?

I believe not. When this crime occurred, they had not yet added firing squad to their methods (IIRC, that was done the summer after the murders). Idaho had lethal injection but found that the chemicals were only obtainable in Canada and Canada would not ship to a place where the death penalty was legal. So they couldn't execute anyone.

Legislature met and amended the methods to include firing squad. That meant that the DP was actually possible for IDOC #163214. And I do wonder about the other prisoners on death row.

IIRC. IMO.

 

[cottonweaver]

The Goncalves Family Page

We are slowly trying to process what we have been reading. Please understand we are all reading them at the same time as everyone else. Do you think this was a fair way to find out the absolute...

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We are slowly trying to process what we have been reading. Please understand we are all reading them at the same time as everyone else. Do you think this was a fair way to find out the absolute brutality Kaylee had endured. This was part of what we had been fighting for , for years! Tell us what happened to Kaylee, we deserve to know before the rest of the world.

Confusing
The family said that they'd been given the information on the day of the sentencing. In the morning they met with multiple LEO , it took 3 hrs iirc. Alivea also reiterated that in her later Brian Entin interview. Their lawyer also said that on Banfield

 

[iamshadow21]

I believe not. When this crime occurred, they had not yet added firing squad to their methods (IIRC, that was done the summer after the murders). Idaho had lethal injection but found that the chemicals were only obtainable in Canada and Canada would not ship to a place where the death penalty was legal. So they couldn't execute anyone.

Legislature met and amended the methods to include firing squad. That meant that the DP was actually possible for IDOC #163214. And I do wonder about the other prisoners on death row.

IIRC. IMO.

The addition of firing squad is very tied up with Mormonism, too, interestingly, in that area of the US. Heavily LDS areas, it's a cultural thing, going back to the early Church and blood atonement. Read Shot in the Heart, Mikal Gilmore's book about his brother Gary if you're interested to know more.

MOO

 

[whirrledpeas]

Confusing
The family said that they'd been given the information on the day of the sentencing. In the morning they met with multiple LEO , it took 3 hrs iirc. Alivea also reiterated that in her later Brian Entin interview. Their lawyer also said that on Banfield

From what I remember, LE met with the family the Monday before the sentencing. I believe this was mentioned in one of Brian Entin’s interviews with Alivea or their lawyer. MOO

 

[Dotta]

Agree- they likely would not transfer him to a PA prison while the media is high, but I’m not sure how long it will take for the media to slow.
I was thinking about logical reasons to move BK to a prison in Penn rather than keep him in Idaho.
There may be a good reason- he may be developing a following there in Idaho.
If he has sick fans who travel to Idaho to do what people do- drive around the neighborhood where the house was, go to the club, drive the path he drove, visit his appt complex in Pullman, then they may put that prison on their tourism list.
I don’t know what rules there would be for visitors-
If he is in Penn, it may help to break up that pattern of media and such in Idaho.
I do not know the distance between where he will be and Moscow, but I do know there are other sites there people would visit. Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow are there, as is the home where Tylee and JJ were killed.

For me it is a bit soon to visit any of those sites- but I have driven the route of Lee Harvey Oswald to the movie theater, and seen the jail where Bonnie and Clyde were housed, and I found the old homes in Salem, Mass where the witch trials took place both terrifying and fascinating. So, no judgement unless you are a nut and bother people.

I do feel for BK’s family, his parents, his sisters, they may be getting attention they do not want. People are weirdos and don’t use good judgement.

IMO

I'm surprised that the prison where BK is/will be held is announced publicly.

In case of notorious/high profile perps (in my country)
the prison is kept secret from the public.

Also,
it happens that the perp is moved around prisons.

JMO

 

[LAborn]

Confusing
The family said that they'd been given the information on the day of the sentencing. In the morning they met with multiple LEO , it took 3 hrs iirc. Alivea also reiterated that in her later Brian Entin interview. Their lawyer also said that on Banfield

That's interesting, so wonder what happened? I was shocked SG actually thanked LE at the sentencing as it seems like he's been critical of them and the court from the beginning.

 

[dalsglen]

How do you explain the one document in those files that mentions that when the investigator was led to KG's room, he noted everything was neat and tidy, but that the covers on the bed seemed to be thrown back and arranged as if someone had been sleeping but then threw off the covers and got up?

This was interesting to me, because I feel we've been led to believe that the two girls were in one bed, but that sure makes it sound as if KG got up upon hearing something and went to aid MM.

I am still on the fence about how many people he intended to kill (I think the "intent" in this case was very broad - he went in willing to wreak havoc if he felt like it and I think his primary target was MM).

It was stated in one of the docs that all the girls went back and had a nap at 6pm that night before heading out. I suspect Kaylees room wasn't actually empty empty, but rather it was empty of her personal belongings but the bed still made up for any visitors. It's likely she did go to her room for a nap earlier but went to bed with maddie later on that night once home.

 

[cottonweaver]

From what I remember, LE met with the family the Monday before the sentencing. I believe this was mentioned in one of Brian Entin’s interviews with Alivea or their lawyer. MOO

thank you for the correction, so what do you think of the statement? Confusing isn't it ?

 

[cottonweaver]

Mail, 23 July 2025
Reporter takes a trip to PA

' When the Daily Mail spoke to neighbors and workers inside the community on a quiet, sweltering afternoon in late June, few wanted to speak about that gruesome day or the local man who committed the crime.
One worker, who declined to give his name...
claimed that Kohberger’s 70-year-old father had told him only recently that he just wanted ‘to know the truth’.
He would not have to wait long.'

Natori Green, 29, who lived four houses down and was in Kohberger’s year at school remembers riding the same bus from 4th grade through high school.
In the Effort neighborhood where he grew up, Green said she felt ‘ambushed’ by the news that she had gone to school with the killer.
‘When it's someone in your backyard, it makes it a reality for you,' she said.
But, while she was shocked, she said others who grew up in the area were not.
‘A lot of people were alarmed, and then there were a lot of people that weren't,' Green said. 'It was 50-50.'

Inside rural Pennsylvania where awkward kid became killer

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948795909644714452

 

[Dexter12]

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Plus you have this one re the open front door - we'd heard about this in news reports in 2023 but I'd never heard the full account from the neigbor.


' wide open ' between 9 am & 10am


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ETA

the Mail article also summarises various neigbors' comments about the dog being outside, barking.
IDK what to make of them but if Kaylee's bedroom door was open it helps explain why Murphy might have been outside after the murderer left but I doubt Murphy can open the front door himself. Bizarre

here's the Mail snippet

Explosive Bryan Kohberger files: Fingernail scratches, chilling clues

Here Daily Mail unpacks the major revelations unearthed in the trove of newly-released police records about the Idaho murders.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I think that was the door the Door Dash delivered to, maybe it did not close correctly after Xana got the order.

 

[gremlin444]

What jumps out at me is the clear description of a girl with long hair in an upstairs bathroom ducking down, as if to not be seen. And her doing this multiple times, as the DoorDash driver tried to figure out where to go to make the delivery.
Would that have been Kaylee?

I remember this being one of my first troubling thoughts- upon seeing the first pictures of the house I saw online. Not all windows had closed mini blinds or curtains- you could clearly see into the house.
If it was dark outside and the lights were on inside- they may have been easy to watch.

Joseph Scott Morgan- forensic discussion of Idaho Murders
Edited- I just found a video that describes the house, layout, visibility, and dangers

This and the unlocked or broken locks, geesh!
Talk about creepy!

IMO

The documents says the DD driver described the girl in the 3rd floor bathroom window as having long brown hair.

Which is confusing, because the only person in that house with brown hair of any length is Xana. Which doesn't seem right because if she was keeping an eye out for her DoorDash delivery, she'd have just as good of a view from her bedroom window on the 2nd floor...and no need to go up and use the 3rd floor bathroom since there was a bathroom right outside her own bedroom. Not to mention, she wouldn't be ducking out of down repeatedly if she was looking for own order.

Now, if the bathroom light was dim or a nightlight, it could have made it hard to tell the color of her hair. Looking at the last picture of the roommates together that afternoon, I think it would be hard in any light to mistake Maddie as having brown hair, but I can see where in a dim light she might have seen Kaylee and thought the hair was a light brown? Or Dylan, but she was in her room/asleep at that time.

 

[Derph]

That's interesting, so wonder what happened? I was shocked SG actually thanked LE at the sentencing as it seems like he's been critical of them and the court from the beginning.

He may have disagreed with the way things were handled by the bureaucracy of the DA's office and the political factors at play but in terms of police work and catching the creep responsible, I think deep down he had some respect for the detectives who put in the work to close the case. No matter what at the end of the day it was damn good policing that caught the coward and put him in jail for the rest of his life. He has a right to be angry at the higher-ups who strung him along and fed him BS in my opinion.

 

[LinasK]

Here's why prosecutors didn't require a full confession from Bryan Kohberger

One victim’s aunt urged the killer to call her and answer her questions. Another’s sister demanded to know her sibling’s last words.

apnews.com

 

[soap mama]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948795909644714452

bet that wiped her smirk right off her face.

 

[Kudzuu]

How do you explain the one document in those files that mentions that when the investigator was led to KG's room, he noted everything was neat and tidy, but that the covers on the bed seemed to be thrown back and arranged as if someone had been sleeping but then threw off the covers and got up?

This was interesting to me, because I feel we've been led to believe that the two girls were in one bed, but that sure makes it sound as if KG got up upon hearing something and went to aid MM.

I am still on the fence about how many people he intended to kill (I think the "intent" in this case was very broad - he went in willing to wreak havoc if he felt like it and I think his primary target was MM).

Yes! I was wondering the same thing. Then I read, I think it was DM's interview she heard KG say someone is here then go back up the steps. Then the "playing with the dog noises" was a peek. Next Xana went to investigate and BK chased her back to her room. DM heard crying and another peek. Then the not nice male voice and the final peek where she saw him.

KG could have gotten out of bed and went to Maddie's room and ended up on the bed. If that is true, then definitely Maddie was his target IMO.

It is horrible how it all played out.