GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[Chimera]

My assumption is the families were given their loved ones bodies for burial after the autopsies were completed? Would they not have known the injuries then?

Bryan Kohberger victim's father shares new details of final moments

Kaylee Goncalves' parents spoke out hours after an Idaho judge lifted a sweeping gag order in the case - and days before Bryan Kohberger is set to be sentenced for her murder.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'You only got one time to be able to be a victim’s advocate and say what you need to say and to address the courtroom and everyone in Idaho, and they’re not going to let us know exactly what happened,' Steve said.
Rbm
This was published on 7/18, so I wondered if there was anything not being told to the families of the victims ?

Kohberger victim's father says evidence is being kept secret | Daily Mail Online

The father of Kaylee Goncalves, who was killed by Bryan Kohberger shared harrowing new details of her final moments... and says gruesome evidence is being kept secret.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The father of Kaylee Goncalves, who was killed by Bryan Kohberger shared harrowing new details of her final moments... and says gruesome evidence is being kept secret.

This made me think the families do not have all the answers they seek ?
Imo.

 

[acutename]

I don't know that I believe him about this, either, though. Maybe he applied to WSU because of the Bundy tie-in & UC Irvine (he mentioned this one, too, I believe) because Irvine's tied in with Golden State Killer. That whole area on the coast was once crawling with SKs.

This person is-- batty. He's vicious, bloodthirsty, kinda clever batty. Full of malice, full of venom. I know he targeted his victims & the house, jmo. I know he stalked them, he was playing them, giving just enough to alert them, scare them, but not enough to actually cross the line in their heads and call LE, and he knew that line was there with them, jmo. And it's there with a lot of people, myself included, you don't want to be calling LE in for nothing or something that turns out to be a prank. If he left both doors hanging open at that house, it was a taunt not just at the innocent people he'd just unalived, but LE, too.

He is absolutely disgusting. SO crazy. And SO glad and relieved he's gone. That sheet of paper with a heart on it-- it's the closest he can come to having a heart, jmo.

do you think he was irritated that he could not get a job with the police so this was a thumb in their eye? I had not thought of that.

 

[Ghostwheel]

The only problem with that scenario is that Kaylee was found on the bed between Maddie and the wall, trapped there, according to her parents.

Upon the officers’ arrival at the scene, Kaylee’s door was unopened and Murphy was on Kaylee’s bed. The door was closed to preserve the scene, then Murphy hid under Kaylee’s desk and had to be coaxed out later.

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Moscow PD Kohberger Investigation Docs #125

Moscow PD Kohberger Investigation Docs - Google Drive​

Why is this a problem, though? To me, with my life experience, Kaylee walking in to find BK stabbing her friend and him attacking her, grabbing her and throwing her across Maddie and into the bed would make sense. Get her out of the exit way. So would her grabbing his arm and fighting with him and ending up rolling over Maddie should she have lost her balance. So would her trying to escape from him attacking her and ending up in the corner of the bed. (retreat to the corner where it would be hard to get to her over Maddie).

I have no idea if Kaylee was sleeping in the same bed with Maddie or not, but I never assumed such because in my world, there are a dozen ways Kaylee could have ended up between Maddie and the wall even if entering the room after Maddie was being attacked. JMO.

Kaylee's door being opened and the dog being on the bed also goes with what my thought. There are some dogs, and I have no idea if Murphy might be one, that if their person says "stay" they stay. And some dogs, like people who when they get scared stay in a comfortable surrounding. Anyway, it's why I thought that way.

ETA, I put in unopened but the door was opened.

 

[whowy]

It's referenced in that document there was a hit and run at 11:40pm near his apartment. He also had a screen shot of the jail roster, of who I assume was the person responsible for the hit and run. So it seems he was probably interested in whatever was going on with that, for whatever reason.

Could be - Guess when you are intending to embark on a crime you might be extra curious about nearby sirens. Wonder if he listened for the live police feeds once he turned his phone back on after the murders.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

From what I've read, AT does seem to be pretty caring towards MAK and MK. I suspect if it was a photocopy of a ceramic heart or a drawing of a heart that his parents had given him, that Anne copied it and gave it to him to have during the sentencing not for BK's sake but for his parents.

Since I have not seen any of the reporters there mention seeing BK's dad there at the sentencing, it may have been something specifically from Dad so that in some small way he could at least "be there" for his son. I can completely see AT having no problem with that, and I don't either. Supporting your kid doesn't mean condoning your kid.

Yes, and if it was a B&W Xerox machine, a red heart would have copied/printed as black.

I think you’ve come up with the most likely answer to the heart. OMO.

 

[LinasK]

Could be - Guess when you are intending to embark on a crime you might be extra curious about nearby sirens. Wonder if he listened for the live police feeds once he turned his phone back on after the murders.

Most likely

 

[Chimera]

What does everyone think about the dog heard barking outside after the murders, and also the front door maybe being open ?
Omo.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I disagree. My love for my child is conditional: if she murders someone, she's losing my love. She can face the Death Penalty on her own for her actions. I raised my child to take responsibility.

Alas, I never stated that the murderer should not be held accountable for his actions. IMO, it is the responsibility of a parent to help their child accept responsibility for heinous acts by confessing.

Of course, it is also a parent’s responsibility to help their child avoid such heinous acts in the first place by intervening at the first signs of antisocial behavior. This intervention will be most effective if the child knows he is loved.

Unfortunately, this intervention will not take place if the parent does not know what behavior to look out for or which interventions work. Hiding one’s head in the sand, making excuses, and simple ignorance do not lead to effective parenting for any child, particularly one who is born with a brain that is susceptible to psychopathy.

IMO

 

[Arkay]

Do the impact statements have any impact on BK? He seems like a stone. Does he have any inkling of what he did?

IMO, yes he does.

The evidence is his thumbs-up selfie with his ghastly half-smile. He knew what he did.

To me, that selfie shows his version of jubilant satisfaction. As in “hey you, self, job well done.”

JMO

 

[Luna20]

Dogs absolutely feel fear and many other human emotions. Cadaver dogs definitely can tell if a person is deceased. I've experienced more than one dog in my life lick my face to wake me up to see if I'm alive.

This is true. I’ve had two service animals and their keen ability to detect precise emotions is phenomenal. Their ability to detect scents is also incredible. Canines have 300 million receptors compared to 6 million in humans.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Why is this a problem, though? To me, with my life experience, Kaylee walking in to find BK stabbing her friend and him attacking her, grabbing her and throwing her across Maddie and into the bed would make sense. Get her out of the exit way. So would her grabbing his arm and fighting with him and ending up rolling over Maddie should she have lost her balance. So would her trying to escape from him attacking her and ending up in the corner of the bed. (retreat to the corner where it would be hard to get to her over Maddie).

I have no idea if Kaylee was sleeping in the same bed with Maddie or not, but I never assumed such because in my world, there are a dozen ways Kaylee could have ended up between Maddie and the wall even if entering the room after Maddie was being attacked. JMO.

Kaylee's door being opened and the dog being on the bed also goes with what my thought. There are some dogs, and I have no idea if Murphy might be one, that if their person says "stay" they stay. And some dogs, like people who when they get scared stay in a comfortable surrounding. Anyway, it's why I thought that way.

ETA, I put in unopened but the door was opened.

You are right, it is possible and your scenario aligns with Dylan’s statements. Kaylee’s parents, though, have indicated that the girls were sleeping together and that Kaylee was trapped, so they may know more than we do. Of course, this was early in the investigation, so they may know something different now.

In the end, though, both Kaylee and Maddie are no more. We can drive ourselves crazy wondering exactly how and why their murders took place, but only one man alive knows the answers.

IMO

 

[LinasK]

Alas, I never stated that the murderer should not be held accountable for his actions. IMO, it is the responsibility of a parent to help their child accept responsibility for heinous acts by confessing.

Of course, it is also a parent’s responsibility to help their child avoid such heinous acts in the first place by intervening at the first signs of antisocial behavior. This intervention will be most effective if the child knows he is loved.

Unfortunately, this intervention will not take place if the parent does not know what behavior to look out for or which interventions work. Hiding one’s head in the sand, making excuses, and simple ignorance do not lead to effective parenting for any child, particularly one who is born with a brain that is susceptible to psychopathy.

IMO

I agree with everything you said here. You'd think that for someone exhibiting antisocial traits long before he arrived in Washington state, his parents might question his choice of Criminology as a field of study??

 

[Chimera]

IMO, yes he does.

The evidence is his thumbs-up selfie with his ghastly half-smile. He knew what he did.

To me, that selfie shows his version of jubilant satisfaction. As in “hey you, self, job well done.”

JMO

Bbm.

How unfair that good people die from murder -- like these four young bright souls, or from cancer, or in an accident -- and unspeakable types like BK will continue to live, even a life behind bars is still a life.
Imo.

 

[logic284]

From what I read on the prison site (IMSI) the iPads are not free. Nor are TV's standard (but maybe can be purchased?) They have really limited internet and email access.

In BK's category of prisoner, his correspondents need to be approved by a prison manager. If the people messaging him are not immediate family, the Director of the whole prison has to okay the communication (which would then include visiting the prisoner in a no touch setting).

It's interesting to find tours of IMSI online (or reviews). It's a grim place with few perks. Commissary expenditures above a certain amount must also be approved. Apparently, everyone who is not on Death Row works a solid 40 hour work week. The cells I saw in one video do not have windows or bars on the doors - the bars are behind a steel door, so the person inside cannot see out until they are allowed out of their cells. These are not considered "solitary" confinement as they come out of their cells under guard to get exercise in groups, eat meals, shower, etc.

Then, they have these teeny containment cells for really out of control prisoners (they're not supposed to keep them there for more than a certain amount of time, as written in Idaho's policies for prisons). Those are true solitary confinement. Really grim spaces. No iPads, no TV if prisoners are not well behaved. They can start accessing those perks after six months, IIRC.

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The policies are extensive and contained at that link. Not allowed to link to the youtubes, but IMSI has a few things one can find that show the inside.

I have a cousin in prison (one I only met when I was 8 or 9 years old b/c they live far away). I had heard he was sentenced to life on a three strikes law. Then he sent me a facebook request so I was wary but said ok. Then I notice sometimes his selfies have white cinderblock walls- the type I had in college years ago. Then his profile goes down and a few months later, new profile adds me again. Someone the guy with a life sentence has a phone and facebook accounts- CRAZY scary and creepy. I think my cousin would get caught, they would force him to delete the account and then he would add another. He adds everyone- all the cousins- back and forth with his parents- miss you, hope you are good etc. I was so freaked out when I realized he was still in prison I looked up his record and he is in trouble all the time- has been for the last 25 years, escaped, I think he has like a year added up in solitary because he breaks all these rules- but he has a facebook page and he is taking selfies.

 

[logic284]

I apologize for being morbid, but I can not figure out how the killer didn't cut/slice his own hand?

I don't know if he did, but they sell kevlar gloves. I sadly bought them up to the elbow to give my cat baths because she is crazy.

 

[Chimera]

I don't know if he did, but they sell kevlar gloves. I sadly bought them up to the elbow to give my cat baths because she is crazy.

Emphasis mine.
Thanks, I needed a little chuckle !

 

[DizzyB]

Also amazing that he left very little blood trail on the way out and outside the house. Zero in the car. Time frame is so darned tight.

 

[Gemmie]

Also amazing that he left very little blood trail on the way out and outside the house. Zero in the car. Time frame is so darned tight.

Which begs the question.... WHY was there very little blood trail? And the car? Nothing from what I've heard. There's got to be a reason but I just can't make sense of it.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

He suffocated kaylee… and blunt force injuries means he could have physically beat her too. So did he put the knife down at some point? Or she managed to knock it out of his hand .. it also explains how the sheath could have been dropped.

Traumatic asphyxiation can occur due to drowning in one’s own blood and doesn’t require manual suffocation. Poor Kaylee sustained brain bleeds (subdural hematomas), which are due to blunt force trauma (apparently to her face), but the murderer could have inflicted those injuries with his weapon still in his hand.

Source: What the Coroner Told Kaylee Goncalves’ Parents About How She Died: Like 'a Drowning’

IMO

 

[Luna20]

who engages in small talk for that long when cops have you in an interview room? I would be busting at the chops to find out why I was there and they would be getting short replies to anything else

Exactly. That’s what an innocent person would do. Chit chat was part of his game that he relied on. Are there any other interview transcripts?