GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[FoxxTraxx]

Which begs the question.... WHY was there very little blood trail? And the car? Nothing from what I've heard. There's got to be a reason but I just can't make sense of it.

My theory is that BK focused very heavily on avoiding a blood trail or having traces of blood in his car. Perhaps studying blood evidence was even a class assignment ? The clothing was disposed of on his meandering journey home. In a sense, he got that part right. But he made so many other mistakes he was bound to get caught.

 

[Luna20]

If the subject of there being other suspects wasn’t shot down, how would AT go about getting evidence of that? What would be her starting point? Just randomly contacting the people BK offered up? There would have to be some viable connection.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Just wondering, now that IDOC #163214 has pleaded guilty to all charges, and has been sentenced to life in prison with no opportunity for parole, does that have any bearing on the separate investigation into the source(s) of any leaks that were revealed in the Dateline episode? After reading the James Patterson book, I do not feel that anything of substance was leaked to that author, at all. Does this investigation continue, has it been completed, or does it just silently go away? Will we ever know anything more about it?

I think AT and Judge Hippler will see that the investigation continues, though it will unlikely lead anywhere, as Hippler implied in his denial for continuance.

I doubt we’ll hear anything else about it, though, unless it benefits AT’s next case. The media, IMO, has no reason to demand follow-up since it benefits from leaks.

 

[MassGuy]

The New York Times interviewed Prosecutor Bill Thompson in this article:

Investigators in Idaho Murders Case Dispel Baseless Rumors and Theories

(I apologize if this has already been shared, but IMO it is worth seeing again. I’m sharing it as a gift article in case it is behind a pay wall.)

No evidence that Kohberger sat down, as Dateline alleged.

It’s possible that he settled on that house last minute, and may not have been surveilling it.

The traffic stops on his way back to Pennsylvania were coincidental, and he wasn’t on the radar at that point.

It doesn’t look like the family provided tips to law enforcement, but they did not interfere.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

If the subject of there being other suspects wasn’t shot down, how would AT go about getting evidence of that? What would be her starting point? Just randomly contacting the people BK offered up? There would have to be some viable connection.

Take a little look at the Moscow Police investigation documents. There is plenty there to lead an unscrupulous attorney to cast blame on others. The problem for the actual murderer was that in spite of many red herrings, all evidence ultimately led straight to him.

IMO

 

[Cindizzi]

 

[PunishThenForgive]

What is wrong with this person (who sent the vile texts to Kaylee’s mother during the sentencing hearing)? How could someone say such a thing to a mother who lost her child? I hope they start holding such people accountable. There must be some way.

IMO

 

[Jetset]

I haven't been able to read every post, so sorry if mentioned previously.

"Pappa Rogers"

Could be Military slang.

Papa - Phonetic letter for P.
Roger - Message has been received.

Foxtrot Papa - ' Pig', indicating a female soldier of lascivious bent who is not shy about taking on lovers.

Papa Whiskey - 'privileged White'

In Malaysian: Pape Roger - 'Expresses a desire to Exit or Leave a situation'

 

[Luna20]

Take a little look at the Moscow Police investigation documents. There is plenty there to lead an unscrupulous attorney to cast blame on others. The problem for the actual murderer was that in spite of many red herrings, all evidence ultimately led straight to him.

IMO

This is one reason why I had no interest in being an attorney. Casting doubt is one thing but devising a plan to frame an innocent person is entirely different.

 

[gremlin444]

Awful.
I'm thinking possible broken cheekbones, nose and/or teeth ?

It sounds like even the families have been kept from some information ?
For instance, didn't KG's mom say she didn't know until recently (before sentencing, though) that her daughter had been badly beaten in the face ?

We don't need to know everything but I'm hoping the families are given all the information they seek.
They deserve at least that much, imo !

The problem with the claim they didn't know about the facial injuries is that Steve has been talking about them in some detail since the plea hearing (and in broader terms before that). From day 1 he has spoken about differences in how Kaylee was injured compared to the other 3. In all the interviews I saw/read from him back then, it felt to me like he at least knew she'd sustained severe blunt trauma to her face.

Steve would have insisted on seeing her--and the ME/coroner/funeral director who coordinated her cremation would have needed to give Steve enough information to convince him that he couldn't/shouldn't. And Steve wouldn't have accepted a generic "she has some facial injuries" as a good enough reason. I think he was given enough detail that he knew she had been hit hard in the face and sustained a lot of damage. Probably not to the level of detail even in the documents we are getting now...but enough.

I have no doubt the Goncalves family is learning a lot more detail now. And perhaps there are some details that Steve found out/had been told a while ago but didn't tell Kristy to protect her.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Recent CNN interview with Idaho State and Moscow Police investigators:

Some highlights:

• With respect to Kaylee’s injuries: They believe there was one primary weapon, but they don’t know what caused the marks on her face (other than that they were not created by the murderer’s bare fist).
• They believe this is the perpetrator’s first murder.
• They looked at all coursework/projects of the murderer, including his work at WSU.
• They don’t think the POTUS contacted anyone in Idaho directly.
• They don’t think the DOJ is pursuing federal charges against the murderer.
• It felt “surreal” when the FBI revealed the murderer’s name. This tip started a whole new investigation.
• They said the students in Moscow are now safe (implying that the murderer acted alone).

 

[chrisinmd]

So something I don't understand about the crime scene.

My understanding is BK went to the 3rd floor first and killed Maddie and Kaylee. Then he encountered Xana who put up one hell of a struggle before she was killed. So how was Ethan killed in bed asleep? Would not the fierce struggle with Xana have woke him up?

Or did he kill Ethan first quietly in his sleep and then go to the 3rd floor? Then how does he avoid running into Xana after killing Ethan?

Any insight?

 

[bajaflash]

So something I don't understand about the crime scene.

My understanding is BK went to the 3rd floor first and killed Maddie and Kaylee. Then he encountered Xana who put up one hell of a struggle before she was killed. So how was Ethan killed in bed asleep? Would not the fierce struggle with Xana have woke him up?

Or did he kill Ethan first quietly in his sleep and then go to the 3rd floor? Then how does he avoid running into Xana after killing Ethan?

Any insight?

Passed out drunk enough and nothing will wake you. The sleep is extremely deep but horrific quality.

Source: me and some very poor decision making thougout my years

 

[chrisinmd]

Passed out drunk enough and nothing will wake you. The sleep is extremely deep but horrific quality.

Source: me and some very poor decision making thougout my years

Been there myself with those poor decisions! lol

But there bodies were found in the same bedroom. I find it hard to believe you could sleep thru someone get violently murdered a few feet away? It woke the 2 surviving victim's up on different floors.

Were the four victims blood alcohol levels released as part of the autopsy reports?

 

[Jetset]

I'm thinking a taser was involved.

 

[Dropdeadred]

I'm almost through with the show "One Night in Idaho.' It's incredibly sad. The thing that really stands out is not only the grief of the family and friends, but the MONSTERS who actually terrorized them online and in the NEWS cycles, all the way up until sentencing. People who openly accused young men and women they'd never even met, these people had no backgrounds in law enforcement, they just ran their mouths on podcasts, Tiktok and Youtube channels - I've never seen anything like it since the web boards of the Jonbenet days. An army of citizens who just open mouth, vomit out content that makes them money no matter WHAT that content is. It's horrifying. Wannabe journalists, true crime "junkies" (oh how I HATE that podcast) who think they have a finger on the pulse of criminology. People who assume that because THEY would behave "this" way or "that" way, (or so they assume, which makes an out of them) the victims who were left behind must be lying. It's so awful. In all of this, I hope people remember the victimized friends and family - Remember how words can affect them as well. No podcast or tiktok video is worth destroying some else's peace, or even their life or their potential jobs. (one of the boys is concerned because as he's graduating from university, he was STILL being called a murderer, even as BK was waiting trial)

Also, let's take away the killer's identity. He's just a bitter little weirdo who couldn't get the hot girls, so he turned on them. Let's just call him ROGER!!

 

[bajaflash]

Been there myself with those poor decisions! lol

But there bodies were found in the same bedroom. I find it hard to believe you could sleep thru someone get violently murdered a few feet away? It woke the 2 surviving victim's up on different floors.

Were the four victims blood alcohol levels released as part of the autopsy reports?

Honestly yes I can see it especially because it wasn't very long. Just imo.

 

[snooptroop88]

What does everyone think about the dog heard barking outside after the murders, and also the front door maybe being open ?
Omo.

Why's the front door hanging open? Both doors left open, why??

Am still not (fully) convinced he came in through the back. The footprints are in the back, so it looks that way. Footprints out back were in the snow. And LE think he was parked out back, so if he went to the front, he came there from the back. So I would think the prints would be tracked around the side, at least to some extent. Back to the supps, supp1: "I observed very large footprints in the snow. I used a tape measure and the shoe size measured approximately 13.5 to 14 inches. The foot steps went to and from the rear slider door. I observed the trail of foot steps head away from the slider then turn right, around a stump, in the back yard and lead towards the front of the house." HUH. While it's clear he was camped out there in back, isn't it possible he then looped around and entered through the front? Because that would align with the flash visible under surviving roommate's door. But why come through the front? Well, he knows Doordash was just there. He likely knows Xana was the one to retrieve the food. He guesses first floor's sound asleep, otherwise one of them would probably have gotten it. He also knows Xana's awake, and coming in via front door doesn't require him to stalk past Xana's door on his way to the third floor. And as far as the lack of foot prints out front, there was so much movement there later with people called, there'd probably be no way to rely on any foot prints at the front of house. Is anyone aware of any kind of surveillance footage that would preclude this possibility of him looping around to the front?

No doubt in my mind the foot prints out back are his, he had big feet, and there would still be a couple of inches to spare on those big foot prints, so my guess is he had relatively "normal" & appropriately sized footwear inside oversized footwear that he later discarded.

Did he leave the doors open so when he came back cruising around, he could simply see if they were still open, thereby knowing things in the house were relatively static since the time he'd left?

Was it a power move on his part, taunt to the victims and LE? Maybe?

 

[Sundog]

The problem with the claim they didn't know about the facial injuries is that Steve has been talking about them in some detail since the plea hearing (and in broader terms before that). From day 1 he has spoken about differences in how Kaylee was injured compared to the other 3. In all the interviews I saw/read from him back then, it felt to me like he at least knew she'd sustained severe blunt trauma to her face.

Steve would have insisted on seeing her--and the ME/coroner/funeral director who coordinated her cremation would have needed to give Steve enough information to convince him that he couldn't/shouldn't. And Steve wouldn't have accepted a generic "she has some facial injuries" as a good enough reason. I think he was given enough detail that he knew she had been hit hard in the face and sustained a lot of damage. Probably not to the level of detail even in the documents we are getting now...but enough.

I have no doubt the Goncalves family is learning a lot more detail now. And perhaps there are some details that Steve found out/had been told a while ago but didn't tell Kristy to protect her.

I would be surprised if the parents didn't receive a copy of the autopsy report. One of my family members died in an accident many years ago and I received a very detailed autopsy report. If an autopsy takes place, then I think the family is given a copy of the report. JMO.

 

[gremlin444]

dbm

I would be surprised if the parents didn't receive a copy of the autopsy report. One of my family members died in an accident many years ago and I received a very detailed autopsy report. If an autopsy takes place, then I think the family is given a copy of the report. JMO.

Since Steve was saying just a few weeks ago that he been told exactly how many times she had been stabbed and he was frustrated about it, I think now.

I suspect autopsy reports in a homicide vs an accident have different release protocols, esp if there is a gag order.