GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[cottonweaver]

Yes, the docs certainly leave room for thinking the murderer may have interacted with Murphy prior to the murders, at least when Murphy was let outside to potty.

And then there’s the morning of the murders. According to Bethany (supp doc #90):

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What time did Maddie and Bethany take Murphy outside? Would Maddie go to bed without first finding Murphy? Did Murphy really spend the rest of the morning alone in Kaylee’s room, and why did Dylan think she heard Kaylee playing with Murphy at 4 am?

yes, left with lots of unknowables. BF says she'd never seen MM so drunk, so possibly she would've.



also see these other MPD records -

Disregarding fact that Dylan seems to confuse Xana with Kaylee going upstairs, c 4am, she implies M was barking inside then. ( The neighbor's system which caught the thud & dog bark - be interesting to know what other audio that captured over a longer period)



and Emily Alaunt's statement ( Spelling?)

LEO makes two calls to Emily about this




In the full Mark Bayliss account of his home being stalked ( as well as thefts) MB gives the impression that the perp enjoyed the cat n mouse game. ( It's in the Ward Patterson book you have. )

----

Anyway, moving on to the crime scene in Maddie's room wrt to extent KG fought & context of his frenzy, I was puzzled to see very few MPD comments on blood spatter on walls & ceilings in MM's room . maybe she didn't even have chance to raise herself from the bed.

thoughts?
I could only find bedroom door and one wall showing ' blood cast-off ' in MM's room

Maybe ISP's team found more than MPD and it's in ISP records?

 

[Chloegirl]

I think the psychology of BK is complicated, and our instinct wants to say he is a monster, has no human qualities and we are human and not like him. The binary is how we separate the Others from Us, and it isn’t reality

So it all depends on the context- we are not robots- we are infinitely more complex
He can care only for himself, sometimes
And also care for his parents, sometimes
It is clear he did not expect to get caught, so he had convinced himself that his parents would not be impacted by his choices, because he was so damn smart.
It doesn’t seem he had a close relationship with his sisters- why? Age difference? Favoritism?

Has he ever had a close friend, who accepted him as he is, and he accepted them?
Has he ever had a mutually caring relationship with a woman other than his mother?

He is a mixed bag- obsessive about some things yet other parts are stunted, absent.
Socially awkward- feels like a social failure, seeks acceptance from subculture- serial killers, incels
Full of shame and self loathing- feels like a failure in love- seeking acceptance into a group of heroes he identifies with
Self medicating- addict, lacking control, hiding from reality- heroin is a depressant
Avoidance- unable or unwilling to develop skills needed for healthy coping, not reflective
Obsessive- seeking control- rotates through obsessions like addictions
Anger- blame, unfair world, victim mindset

I am no behavioral expert, but I saw these things in his reaction to the victim impact statements- and we have so little footage of him to go on.
- fear
- shame
- fury
- boredom
- entertainment, dupers delight
- surprise, shock

He exhibited an intense inhuman level of self-control through all of these intense emotions. Wow
That is a skill- what causes a person to develop that skill? It feels unusual, almost as if he saw the truth in the statements and he was shocked at the accuracy and could not deny it.
Almost as if he has respect for the process, the game of cat and mouse between perp and LE, and he has accepted that he lost.

He pled guilty to everything- he has accepted that he lost.
He could have prolonged the agony of the victim’s families and extend his time on the stage, and lead on his proberger minions- he didn’t.
I think he does not have the attention span or maturity or resilience to have heard all of his mistakes be pointed out in court.
I think he fears insignificance and germs as much as death

Is he done? He is only 30, how could he be resigned to prison for the rest of his life and accept that his one single contribution to the genre of serial killers is viewed as a flop?
Is he is done? I don’t think he is done. So, what is next? What will be his next obsession?

My 2 cents

IMO

Agree. But I think he did a lot of things right to leave so little evidence, in preparation, forensic and physical cleanup, etc. I am not trying to give him credit here but it is astonishing.

He has to have killed before. How would you know that you had the capacity to do this, especially on this level? I cannot imagine this is the first time he has tested himself.

It strikes me as odd to mention this, but if you are an incel/whatever out there you have to know it is not about your physical looks. It is about your energy, truly connecting with people, being open, not clinging or demanding of the universe. If this is your perceived alternative, it is not pretty or viable. It would be better to challenge yourself to grow socially, emotionally, understand your life experiences more before your anger takes over and this becomes your life.

Had BK challenged himself in different ways, he would still be in the game of life, with partners, educational opportunities, friends, career paths, and more. This becomes a total waste of human experience just for him, not to mention those he took out, spiraling on his way down. Total life failure. He should be disappointed in himself. JMOO

 

[citygirl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948827614207938815

"That is crucial to the case,
because if Kohberger did in fact chase after Kernodle,
it would explain why he might have left behind the biggest piece of evidence in the case
— his KA-BAR knife sheath.

The struggle between the two
caused enough of a 'commotion'
to get the attention of Mortensen,
who then opened her door to check on her roommates
and instead saw Kohberger as he exited the residence,
making her the lone eyewitness in the case."

OMG. He took the food? Unbelievable.

 

[AngTxGal]

Agree. But I think he did a lot of things right to leave so little evidence, in preparation, forensic and physical cleanup. I am not trying to give him credit here but it is astonishing.

He has to have killed before. How would you know that you had the capacity to do this, especially on this level? I cannot imagine this is the first time he has tested himself.

It strikes me as odd to mention this, but if you are an incel/whatever out there you have to know it is not about your physical looks. It is about your energy, truly connecting with people, being open, not clinging or demanding of the universe. If this is your perceived alternative, it is not pretty or viable. It would be better to challenge yourself to grow socially, emotionally, understand your life experiences more before your anger takes over and this becomes your life.

Had BK challenged himself in different ways, he would still be in the game of life, with partners, educational opportunities, friends, career paths, and more. This becomes a total waste of human experience just for him, not to mention those he took out, spiraling on his way down. Total life failure. He should be disappointed in himself. JMOO

Unless he has the capacity to grow and learn in prison
He is 30 years old, is he really done?

He is a loner, he will either learn and grow- or fold in on himself. And do what?
All of the serial killers we have studied learn and evolve and grow into something different.

He has not learned the social skills of Bundy, Gacy, Manson

Is he a one hit wonder? Is that the nature of serial killers who are incels?
Do they explode- and then fizzle and fade away?

Some die by cop
Others die by suicide
Others are still in prison

Is it the nature of the times- they can’t get by with a spree of murders anymore- so they choose a single event with mass casualties?

IMO

 

[Megnut]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948149163348082736

What do these 2 letters on his orange prison uniform mean?

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He looks very thin, especially his arms IMO

L for Large.

Even though he is small in every way.

LMO

 

[INfisherman]

L for Large.

Even though he is small in every way.

LMO

L for Lost.

"Lost my way, my mind, my DNA, my knife sheath, my alibi, most of my court motions, my case & subsequently my life."

 

[Dotta]

Poor Murphy.
He knew what was going on.
I hope he's in a safe place and loved.

Re Murphy

Paraphrasing:

Victim Kaylee Goncalves’ beloved dog Murphy,
was adopted by her boyfriend Jack DuCoeur.

Murphy remembers his 'mom', Kaylee,
in some posts on Instagram.

One post featuring Murphy says that

He misses his mom every day,
but is trying to live his best life.
And he gets to admire her beauty in the sky in the evenings.

Idaho murders: Who is Murphy? Here's what happened to Kaylee Goncalves' dog after she was killed

At the time of the murders, Murphy was inside the Idaho house where Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle were killed.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[PunishThenForgive]

yes, left with lots of unknowables. BF says she'd never seen MM so drunk, so possibly she would've.



also see these other MPD records -

Disregarding fact that Dylan seems to confuse Xana with Kaylee going upstairs, c 4am, she implies M was barking inside then. ( The neighbor's system which caught the thud & dog bark - be interesting to know what other audio that captured over a longer period)

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and Emily Alaunt's statement ( Spelling?)

LEO makes two calls to Emily about this
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In the full Mark Bayliss account of his home being stalked ( as well as thefts) MB gives the impression that the perp enjoyed the cat n mouse game. ( It's in the Ward Patterson book you have. )

----

Anyway, moving on to the crime scene in Maddie's room wrt to extent KG fought & context of his frenzy, I was puzzled to see very few MPD comments on blood spatter on walls & ceilings in MM's room . maybe she didn't even have chance to raise herself from the bed.

thoughts?
I could only find bedroom door and one wall showing ' blood cast-off ' in MM's room

Maybe ISP's team found more than MPD and it's in ISP records?

Yes, the Moscow Police investigation docs that discuss Murphy are chilling.

I wonder if LE found any Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup wrappers in the wooded area behind or beside the house at 1122 King Road. Oh wait, the candies aren’t vegan.

Anyway, Part 2: Inception of The Idaho 4 was so creepy and showed that the murderer’s psychopathy started young.

As far as the crime scene goes, I have a feeling there was much more blood than we realize, including on the walls.

I’m still not sure what to make of the footprints in the back. During Bill Thompson’s recitation, he just said the murderer parked in back, entered the house via the slider, committed four murders, left the house via the slider, then sped away. Why would he dip back to the right of the back patio? Perhaps the killer wanted to make LE think he left via foot towards the homes to the west? Or maybe Hunter Johnson retrieved the kitchen knife via the slider instead of making his way across a potentially bloody living room?

One more thing--about the Door Dash driver's interview (doc #104, that I discussed in a previous post). The probergers, as expected, have latched on to her interview, spinning tales to match their favorite conspiracy theory.

Now that police have released so many documents, they must stay on top of the rumors and give more interviews, like the recent CNN interview with the Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson and Moscow Police Chief Anthony Dahlinger. Thank goodness the murderer is in prison permanently. Unfortunately, the surviving victims and the victim families are still at risk. Even Karen Read's champion, Turtleboy, is being attacked when he says the Idaho murderer is guilty.

IMO

 

[sunshineray]

What is a blackjack?

They come in all sizes and weight. This one, inherited from my LE Dad, was what I was thinking about. The end is a heavy lead weight.

 

[AngTxGal]

yes, left with lots of unknowables. BF says she'd never seen MM so drunk, so possibly she would've.



also see these other MPD records -

Disregarding fact that Dylan seems to confuse Xana with Kaylee going upstairs, c 4am, she implies M was barking inside then. ( The neighbor's system which caught the thud & dog bark - be interesting to know what other audio that captured over a longer period)

View attachment 604078

and Emily Alaunt's statement ( Spelling?)

LEO makes two calls to Emily about this
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View attachment 604080

In the full Mark Bayliss account of his home being stalked ( as well as thefts) MB gives the impression that the perp enjoyed the cat n mouse game. ( It's in the Ward Patterson book you have. )

----

Anyway, moving on to the crime scene in Maddie's room wrt to extent KG fought & context of his frenzy, I was puzzled to see very few MPD comments on blood spatter on walls & ceilings in MM's room . maybe she didn't even have chance to raise herself from the bed.

thoughts?
I could only find bedroom door and one wall showing ' blood cast-off ' in MM's room

Maybe ISP's team found more than MPD and it's in ISP records?

Based on the several instances of Murphy going into the woods behind the house, not returning when called, and that feeling uncomfortable-
You would think BK could have been back there watching.
Which means he wasn’t parked near the house.

Why did he not park in this other location on the night of the murders?
Why did he choose to drive and park so near the house?

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

They come in all sizes and weight. This one, inherited from my LE Dad, was what I was thinking about. The end is a heavy lead weight.
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Interesting patterns, is it leather or leather wrapped around something?

If we have BK holding his knife, and maybe a flashlight, and the sheath is somewhere until he leaves it behind- he is running out of hands.

Am I missing something?

IMO

 

[Megnut]

OMG. He took the food? Unbelievable.

I think People took some literary license.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

L for Lost.

"Lost my way, my mind, my DNA, my knife sheath, my alibi, most of my court motions, my case & subsequently my life."

Shorthand for Loser.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Just to say that if you read down to the bottom of the Supp, LEO Gunderson says that Kaylee's bedroom door was open when LEO Nunes had first arrived.
( I think there are a couple more supps which also attest to it having been left open before first LEO arrived. I'm only pointing this out because we'd been discussing it earlier wrt various witnesses claiming Murphy was later outside barking and that the front door was also wide open 9-10am. BTW, I can't find any reference to KG's bedroom slider onto the balcony being open but maybe somebody can recall those records they've read wrt that)
I also haven't come across any record which records bloody paw prints anywhere. Has anybody else? Maybe he stayed up there in her room during the attacks?

ETA Thanks @ttjo but I can't open that' Independent ' link

The documents show that Murphy had no blood or other evidence on him. The police had animal control take custody of him until he was released for Jack to claim him.

 

[sunshineray]

Interesting patterns, is it leather or leather wrapped around something?

If we have BK holding his knife, and maybe a flashlight, and the sheath is somewhere until he leaves it behind- he is running out of hands.

Am I missing something?

IMO

A flashlight could also be bludgeoning weapon. Someone asked me what a blackjack was, just responding. I suppose if the autopsy written (never photos) reports are ever released, we may have more info as to what may have caused the blunt force injuries. MO

Yes it is leather and lead

 

[PunishThenForgive]

OMG. He took the food? Unbelievable.

Unlikely since we saw the Jack-in-the-Box bag on the kitchen counter with Xana's name on it. Also, the killer is vegan and all.

 

[LAborn]

Agree. But I think he did a lot of things right to leave so little evidence, in preparation, forensic and physical cleanup, etc. I am not trying to give him credit here but it is astonishing.

He has to have killed before. How would you know that you had the capacity to do this, especially on this level? I cannot imagine this is the first time he has tested himself.

It strikes me as odd to mention this, but if you are an incel/whatever out there you have to know it is not about your physical looks. It is about your energy, truly connecting with people, being open, not clinging or demanding of the universe. If this is your perceived alternative, it is not pretty or viable. It would be better to challenge yourself to grow socially, emotionally, understand your life experiences more before your anger takes over and this becomes your life.

Had BK challenged himself in different ways, he would still be in the game of life, with partners, educational opportunities, friends, career paths, and more. This becomes a total waste of human experience just for him, not to mention those he took out, spiraling on his way down. Total life failure. He should be disappointed in himself. JMOO

He is an academic and a good student. And he has OCD. I agree it's truly astonishing he left no trace, but considering the make up of who he was it checks. (Although O.J. left hardly any evidence too, and he's far from a mastermind).

Could anyone tell me why it's believed he was an incel? I know some women found him creepy and awkward, but has he indicted it himself with writing or conversations with friends? I thought the connection to Elliot Rodgers was conjecture by others.

Frankly, I'm leaning more and more toward his murders being another form of research and experimentation (as school and drugs were). Because he's able to disassociate, he likely was in and out of thinking about the impacts of his actions on others.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I think People took some literary license.

JMO

They also said Dylan identified Xana as Kaylee, which is ridiculous. LE may have inferred that Kaylee was downstairs due to Dylan thinking Kaylee said "someone is here" and ran down the stairs.

IMO

 

[xjd11]

I think the psychology of BK is complicated, and our instinct wants to say he is a monster, has no human qualities and we are human and not like him. The binary is how we separate the Others from Us, and it isn’t reality

So it all depends on the context- we are not robots- we are infinitely more complex
He can care only for himself, sometimes
And also care for his parents, sometimes
It is clear he did not expect to get caught, so he had convinced himself that his parents would not be impacted by his choices, because he was so damn smart.
It doesn’t seem he had a close relationship with his sisters- why? Age difference? Favoritism?

Has he ever had a close friend, who accepted him as he is, and he accepted them?
Has he ever had a mutually caring relationship with a woman other than his mother?

He is a mixed bag- obsessive about some things yet other parts are stunted, absent.
Socially awkward- feels like a social failure, seeks acceptance from subculture- serial killers, incels
Full of shame and self loathing- feels like a failure in love- seeking acceptance into a group of heroes he identifies with
Self medicating- addict, lacking control, hiding from reality- heroin is a depressant
Avoidance- unable or unwilling to develop skills needed for healthy coping, not reflective
Obsessive- seeking control- rotates through obsessions like addictions
Anger- blame, unfair world, victim mindset

I am no behavioral expert, but I saw these things in his reaction to the victim impact statements- and we have so little footage of him to go on.
- fear
- shame
- fury
- boredom
- entertainment, dupers delight
- surprise, shock

He exhibited an intense inhuman level of self-control through all of these intense emotions. Wow
That is a skill- what causes a person to develop that skill? It feels unusual, almost as if he saw the truth in the statements and he was shocked at the accuracy and could not deny it.
Almost as if he has respect for the process, the game of cat and mouse between perp and LE, and he has accepted that he lost.

He pled guilty to everything- he has accepted that he lost.
He could have prolonged the agony of the victim’s families and extend his time on the stage, and lead on his proberger minions- he didn’t.
I think he does not have the attention span or maturity or resilience to have heard all of his mistakes be pointed out in court.
I think he fears insignificance and germs as much as death.
So does he accept failure- what will that do to him if he does?

What if he isn’t done? He is only 30, how could he be resigned to prison for the rest of his life and accept that his one single contribution to the genre of serial killers is viewed as a flop?
Is he is done? I don’t think he is done. So, what is next? What will be his next obsession?

My 2 cents

IMO

great post. recently I've wondered if, in some twisted way, he wanted to get caught? or if not that, is at least relieved that he doesn't have to operate in a society he doesn't fit in with. maybe i'm stating this badly, but after reading his thoughts about himself (can't remember if it was a journal/diary or other, the one where he says he feels bad about how he treats his parents). struggling to fit in can be exhausting, now his whole life will be dictated by the prison system. yes, I know he did things that indicated he wanted to avoid capture, and he has not cooperated with police interviews. but maybe, if life had been so unbearable for him for so long, he is just relieved to have it taken out of his hands. just my rambling thoughts.