GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[Ghostwheel]

I agree that the gag order was not a punishment, I think it was for exactly reasons you state.

I do think that the Goncalves's lawyer should have advised SG that he was making too much information public, and I do believe the prosecution eventually asked/told SG that he could be jeopardising theor case and he needed to stop, but it is possible that they didnt think to expressly tell him at the time the information was shared that he needed to keep it from the media, and therefore the public.

My original post wasnt meant to shame SG, but rather to point out that even though I can imagine how hard it must be to be learning intimate details of what happened to his daughter with the rest of the world, when he should have been informed long ago, but unfortunately his earlier, misguided actions sadly led to the situation he finds himself in now.

I, personally, did Not feel like you were trying to shame SG. It just occurred to me that maybe no one told him "don't do that". I also believe the family attorney should have helped him more, but TBH it was probably the first time either had ever dealt with something like this.

Having watched the anguish of parents and a sibling after the murder of their child/sister, I cannot judge anyone for what they say in that situation. JMVHO.

Added NOT. I did NOT feel like you were trying to shame. My most sincere apology for that error. @Rolypolyoly

 

[jesse]

I posted this as I read your post, but see that several posters have already stated that People got that wrong among other things. We can be sure he did not take the bag of food, as one of the earliest photos we saw from 1122 King Road WAS the delivery from DD. Photo courtesy New York Post...

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University of Idaho student Xana Kernodle got DoorDash delivery just minutes before her murder

Kernodle and three of her roommates were stabbed to death by a crazed knifeman between 4 a.m. and 4:25 a.m. on Nov. 13.

nypost.com

Well, it was A delivery from JITB, but we don't know if it was THE delivery. It likely was, but I can't figure out how the bag ended up there if it was. It had JUST been delivered. I would have expected Xana to grab it and head upstairs. There wasn't enough time for her to eat, right?

 

[katydid23]

I've often wondered, why the heck didn't he fasten the sheath to a belt like it is intended to be? what was the purpose of carrying it in hand?

I think that the Dickies one piece black jumper might have had big pockets and also loops attached, where he could have placed the sheath. Maybe it came off or out during a struggle?

 

[Ghostwheel]

If the knife had removed from the sheath then used, gotten bloody, and wiped on the sheets, then put back in the sheath- there would still be blood inside the sheath.
Wouldn’t evidence show that, since they have the sheath?

If his gloves were bloody, which they would been- and he picked up the sheath to put the knife in it- the sheath would have blood on the outside from the gloves.

I know they took DNA swabs from the sheath- but I’ve not heard of blood samples being taken from the sheath.
Evidence of blood on the sheath could be huge- as the perp may cut themselves and leave their blood in victims blood. So they would look for it.

Blood on the sheath would also give more evidence for order of victims. If Ethan or Xana’s blood is on the sheath- then the order of events is different.

IMO

I AM going to have to go back. There was something about mixed blood found on the sheath waaaaaay back there, which makes sense if dropped on the bed. But don't quote me until I make sure it's from an actual report. There might not be any visible blood inside the sheath.

But despite that, there is an assumption that BK got blood all over himself and that isn't necessarily true. If you stab something/someone through fabric like a comforter/sheets/blanket, the fabric absorbs most of the blood.(I've never stabbed a person, but have animals for food in certain circumstances) your gloves and clothes can stay clean. If you don't step in a puddle of blood so do your shoes.

As to the sheath, I do need to check on the above. If they found mixed blood consistent with the girls and not a third profile, and the solo DNA on the snap, they were checking the solo DNA, IMO.

I'll get back to you.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Thanks for the clarification and insights. I thought his masters' was in person, mainly because some classmates spoke about working with him on projects in the recent documentaries, so that was all virtual? The website says they offer in-person, hybrid and virtual options.

Thanks for the clarification and insights. I thought his masters' was in person, mainly because some classmates spoke about working with him on projects in the recent documentaries, so that was all virtual? The website says they offer in-person, hybrid and virtual options.

I just looked again and it's tough to pin down when he was online and when in person. He did 2 years in person at the community college and then went to DeSales for the bachelor's in psych, where he had in person classes with Dr. Ramsland and others. That's where he had the biology lab partner that was impressed with his intelligence. (Lehigh Valley Live source). He finished the bachelor's in 2020, right when COVID hit. Certainly, all students were probably online there, and the current website says it's online. But honestly, even a research hound like me will say that it's hard to figure out where and when he got the "hands on" part.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Could someone confirm for me if the Pappa Rodger online account was indeed BK's? And is it also confirmed he made a rap song on SoundCloud? I never got the sense that these online foot prints were certainly his.

BK was NOT Pappa Rodger according to investigators.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime...tors-dont-know-who-bryan-kohberger-targeting/

So we see, sadly, that Pappa Rodger CANNOT be added to the growing list of names for You Know Who:

• The murderer
• The killer
• He Who Must Not Be Named
• The Loser
• LOSER
• IDOC #163214

or my current favorite:

• Grendel

(the monster from Beowulf, thank you @pittsburghgirl)

ADDITIONAL SOURCES

Quick take:

No link between Bryan Kohberger and 'Pappa Rodger' account, investigators confirm

Full press conference with the Moscow Police Department, Idaho State Police and prosecutors that took place after the sentencing hearing on Wednesday, July 23 (definitely worth a look if you missed it):

 

[otto]

I know that Kohberger was unable to be a TA for students - typically means grading papers - but did he have problems with his own coursework? He would have been required to take 3+ courses related to his research. He could have been granted scholarship for research, not just TA position.

Was he failing in his studies, or was he failing as a TA?

 

[jesse]

I admire strength and resolve, too. But I think all along he was hostile and unfair to the people who solved this crime about as fast as a stranger homicide can be solves, and to the prosecutor, who put the defense in a box that led to the Loser pleading guilty.

He did thank the police and investigators (either in his impact statement or right after, I forget which.)

 

[AngTxGal]

Just some context to BK's mom writing a letter to the editor about Bundy's execution for those who were too young to remember that time (or weren't even born yet):

I was a high school junior in a small town in central Illinois at the time. When I was getting ready for school that morning, it literally was being discussed between songs on local radio by the DJs. When I got home from school, it was on the evening news with clips of the jeering crowds showing the people essentially tailgating outside the prison--singing songs, wearing "Fry, Bundy, Fry" t-shirts, etc. I even remember other kids talking about it at school that day.

Even people who didn't pay attention to "true crime" at the time would have had a hard time not knowing about it if they had watched television news (both local and national programs), read local/national papers, or listened to the radio.

Yes, I remember that too. I was in graduate school at that time and saw it on the news.
I forgot about the “Fry, Bundy, Fry” but I do remember the relief many felt. His spree of murders was terrifying for my older sisters and we didn’t even live on the west coast.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

I know that Kohberger was unable to be a TA for students - typically means grading papers - but did he have problems with his own coursework? He would have been required to take 3+ courses related to his research. He could have been granted scholarship for research, not just TA position.

Was he failing in his studies, or was he failing as a TA?

That was my question, if he was doing well in his courses why didn’t they just reassign him to other duties?

A prof with grant money for both teaching assistants and research assistants could move him from the TA position he was planning to do in the spring to a research position.

I think there is more to the complaints. I think they may have had no choice but to let him go.
The Peacock documentary has a student interview who will not show her face, she says she is afraid of him.
Another story on the show says he followed a student home at night.

Could something have happened?

IMO

 

[otto]

Does anyone know what Kohberger was specializing in to complete his PhD? To be admitted to the program, he needed at least one person on faculty who thought he was a good candidate for completing the degree. That person would be his supervisor.

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Did they let him go from his TA position, or did they expel him from his PhD studies?

Did he need the TA position to pay for his room and board, or did he have other scholarships or financial options? If he lost his TA position, I assume that he would need to wait until the next semester to be assigned/granted a different Graduate Assistantships Research/Service award.

 

[otto]

That was my question, if he was doing well in his course why didn’t they just reassign him to other duties?
I think there is more to the complaints. I think they may have had no choice but to let him go.
The Peacock documentary has a student interview who will not show her face, she says she is afraid of him.
Another story on the show says he followed a student home at night.

Could something have happened?

IMO

Around here, those scholarships/grants/awards are by semester or by year. If he was unsuited for the position he was granted, I'm guessing that he would have to wait for the next round of grants.

The person who assigned him the TA position must have heard that he was condescending, rude, arrogant, intimidating and unhelpful. That might be why he was not assigned other tasks, and it's also possible that the grant he received was not transferable to something else.

 

[AngTxGal]

I just looked again and it's tough to pin down when he was online and when in person. He did 2 years in person at the community college and then went to DeSales for the bachelor's in psych, where he had in person classes with Dr. Ramsland and others. That's where he had the biology lab partner that was impressed with his intelligence. (Lehigh Valley Live source). He finished the bachelor's in 2020, right when COVID hit. Certainly, all students were probably online there, and the current website says it's online. But honestly, even a research hound like me will say that it's hard to figure out where and when he got the "hands on" part.

That may have contributed to his ill-preparedness?
If he did online work it may have been tough to gauge his interpersonal skills.
Class discussions, group work, all of that looked different on those Zooms.
These murders were Nov ‘22, and I’m sure some schools were still online at that time, or moving back to being in person and off and on, all spread out, quarantined, and some sick.
Some classes just were not possible- you couldn’t do the hands=on part and keep people 6 feet apart.
And the loss of his funding was a life-changing situation for him. It meant he would have to tell his parents he had failed and move back home.

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Does anyone know what Kohberger was specializing in to complete his PhD? To be admitted to the program, he needed at least one person on faculty who thought he was a good candidate for completing the degree. That person would be his supervisor.

Did they let him go from his TA position, or did they expel him from his PhD studies?

Did he need the TA position to pay for his room and board, or did he have other scholarships or financial options? If he lost his TA position, I assume that he would need to wait until the next semester to be assigned/granted a different Graduate Assistantships Research/Service award.

Based on what the Peacock documentary says… he was pretty much fired and that meant he would not get funding in the spring.
Nothing is said about his academic standing.

That is why I’m not understanding why the school did not work with him.
If he was doing fine in classes, they could have moved him into a non-teaching position.
If he was having trouble in classes- you can still work with a student. Swap one class for another to ease up a schedule.

Such issues are not rare- schools can adjust a TA into a research position if they want to do so.

IMO

 

[otto]

That may have contributed to his ill-preparedness?
If he did online work it may have been tough to gauge his interpersonal skills.
Class discussions, group work, all of that looked different on those Zooms.
These murders were Nov ‘22, and I’m sure some schools were still online at that time, or moving back to being in person and off and on, all spread out, quarantined, and some sick.
Some classes just were not possible- you couldn’t do the hands=on part and keep people 6 feet apart.
And the loss of his funding was a life-changing situation for him. It meant he would have to tell his parents he had failed and move back home.

IMO

Without grant money, couldn't he apply for a student loan to bridge costs until he could apply for other research or service grants?

Maybe there was something more final in being fired from the TA position - along the lines that he is unsuitable for an academic position and should reconsider his career path.

 

[Boxer]

I've often wondered, why the heck didn't he fasten the sheath to a belt like it is intended to be? what was the purpose of carrying it in hand?

Coveralls no belt. Deep pocket was secure enough until real range of motion exertion.

 

[LAborn]

Does anyone know what Kohberger was specializing in to complete his PhD? To be admitted to the program, he needed at least one person on faculty who thought he was a good candidate for completing the degree. That person would be his supervisor.

Did they let him go from his TA position, or did they expel him from his PhD studies?

Did he need the TA position to pay for his room and board, or did he have other scholarships or financial options? If he lost his TA position, I assume that he would need to wait until the next semester to be assigned/granted a different Graduate Assistantships Research/Service award.

My understanding is he lost his TA position, which essentially makes paying for the program impossible for most people. I don't think he was expelled from the Ph.D. program. His chances at other funding revenues are less likely considering losing the TAship.

 

[otto]

Based on what the Peacock documentary says… he was pretty much fired and that meant he would not get funding in the spring.
Nothing is said about his academic standing.

That is why I’m not understanding why the school did not work with him.
If he was doing fine in classes, they could have moved him into a non-teaching position.
If he was having trouble in classes- you can still work with a student. Swap one class for another to ease up a schedule.

Such issues are not rare- schools can adjust a TA into a research position if they want to do so.

IMO

True. If he was doing well in his coursework with a 3.9 - 4.0 GPA, he could still complete the degree and work outside of academics. He would typically be gifted research scholarships, but maybe that was no longer an option. Maybe he screwed up his coursework because he was so busy stalking and contemplating murder?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I hate this play of semantics. Nobody suggested he went there to sip tea, he went there to kill. But his plan obviously went wrong and I seriously, seriously doubt he intended to kill 4 people. What happened after Maddie was basically him improvising on spot, not some well planned mass killing. He killed Kaylee because she woke up and fought him, he chased after Xana because he was startled and didn't want to get caught. He killed Ethan because he saw him as a threat. He didn't kill Dylan or Bethany because they were not seen as immediate threats. Dylan didn't react outwardly to what he did so he ignored her. If she did what Xana did, she'd have ended the same way. If Xana reacted in a similar way to Dylan, he most likely would have simply left. The point is past his initial plan of killing Maddie or Kaylee upstairs, this was a thoroughly disorganized attack. He like Xana entered a fight or flight response. That's not an excuse of his actions, quite the opposite. He chose to kill rather than run away. He could have easily abandoned his plan (unless there is something we don't know) and left when he found Maddie and Kaylee in the same bed, but he didn't. He was fully committed to what he wanted to do.

As far as him being 'threatened' by them, it's not about a physical threat, it's the threat of being caught. If in an alternate scenario he left Xana alive, she'd have called 911 and he'd be immediately caught.

'Defensive wounds' might simply be her raising her hand instictiviely to defend herself. I don't think she was in any position to fight back after the initial strike to her torso which would have rendered her pretty much helpless from the get go.

We just don’t agree on this. It happens.
I just can’t put my brain in any configuration that would allow me to think that Xana is in anyway responsible for her own death simply for running away and fighting back.
The killer would have been miles away before police got there even if Xana had called 911.
What threat was Ethan, asleep and passed out? He wasn’t calling 911 any time soon. The killer could have left after Xana, but he chose to kill him too.
Per Dylan, the killer looked her straight in the eye. She could have called 911, but he just walked past her as he left.
We just don’t agree and that’s OK. We’ll find something else along the way to agree on.

 

[soap mama]

I've often wondered, why the heck didn't he fasten the sheath to a belt like it is intended to be? what was the purpose of carrying it in hand?

Maybe he was in some type of coveralls