GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[Gemmie]

Unfortunately, that photo was not as unique as we thought(for the record, I adamantly believe that particular pic was a "trophy" pic.). According to investigators in this CNN interview...

"But the reality was, we have many, many other pictures of him. Selfies where he has a very similar pose. It wasn't just one unique that was only that way."

Timestamp 07:27

IMO the thumbs-up photo doesn't have to be unique in order for it to be disturbing. So what if he's done it 1,000 times if every single time he does it he's happy with himself about something. Like buttoning his shirt evenly so there isn't a buttonhole at the bottom with no button, and a button at the top with no buttonhole, or lacing up his shoes properly.

I don't know if that's the case about that photo being non-unique..., but I'll put money on it that it is and I never place bets unless the odds are in my favor to win. He was happy with himself and I'll bet it wasn't that he had just taken a shower and didn't get soap in his eyes.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I think it goes to show just how very traumatized DM was and still is, her pain was genuine and heartfelt you could see. Giving her own impact statement was a huge step forward for her IMO. I wish her nothing but healing strength, she was an innocent survivor, along with BF. The SM cranks and people in general online were brutal to her in particular.

1) DM was a self-admitted 'scaredy cat', not meant in a derogatory way, all her friends knew that about her.
2) I mentioned early on she might have thought her friends were just playing a joke and she would never want to call LE and cause trouble. It did come out DM thought the roommates (Ethan specifically) might have been playing a prank. I think he was a real jokester in the bunch.
3) She was intoxicated and sleepy and I believe she truly did not understand what was happening. Real/dream/overactive imagination?
4) It wasn't unusual for the roommates to not answer their phones late at night after they'd gone to bed.

A combination of things which led to her running down to BF's room (the only one who answered) and sleeping behind her locked door instead of believing there was a psycho Murderer in their house who had just brutally killed her four friends.

JMO

Her impact statement was so raw.... one line in particular seared into my brain.

"He didn't just take them from the world, he took them from ME. they were MY friends."

So poignant. Well written. Real. They were HERS, not his.

Her loss is incalculable. The friends, the innocence, the carefreeness. He left her with fear.

So unfair.

So senseless.

Brutal.

JMO

 

[FoxxTraxx]

thanks so much. ( I didn't want to re-listen to audio version)

Was the ' walking dead' appearance before the 13 Nov, or after?

It doesn't give a specific date - just Nov. 2022. Ben mentions that Bryan had recently been reprimanded by Prof. Snyder and that finals were fast approaching. Most students were stressed out by the workload but BK looked physically ill with very dark eyes.

 

[cottonweaver]

Bits n pieces

MPD records show that Tinder said he used to have an account with them but had deleted it, MPD was able to download the info on his deleted account. ( Am mentioning this because Maddie had Tinder and am assuming the others did too. )

Angenette Levy says that he created a new tiktok account 4 or 5 days after the murders and used a VPN when using it. She speculated that could be to watch content posted by the girls/victims - kinda 'trophy 'viewing. ( I guess it could be to see what people were saying about the murders too but all of the victims did have tiktok)


MPD records show that he joined Yikyak just 4 wks before he murdered, on Oct 11, 2022 ( I'd previously assumed he would have joined when he first started at WSU if he'd been motivated to chat with local students )



LE checked out his Dropbox account, opened in 2021 - not much in there but I guess the Columbine shootings ' rollercoaster' could be criminology class research?




He had one or two twitter accounts, loads of other social media and dating accounts and another MPD document notes he had a Twitch account. ( I didn't know he had Twitch. I'm mentioning this because of the Grub Truck regularly using Twitch to live stream their truck customers and back in 2023 on WS we all discussed this a lot - did he track girls via watching the stream. easy to see which customers are more vulnerable, drunker etc and will be heading home)


PS they don't seem to have picked up his quora account yet, haven't found it mentioned yet.

 

[sassyblue]

'Happy Face Killer' Wants Bryan Kohberger To Be Locked Up With Him - NewsBreak

An Oregon inmate serving four life sentences wrote in a letter to a true crime podcast host that University of Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger would be safer

share.newsbreak.com

The Happy Face killer wants Loserberger to be transferred to Oregon so he can "protect him". Hmmm

 

[Boxer]

IMO the thumbs-up photo doesn't have to be unique in order for it to be disturbing. So what if he's done it 1,000 times if every single time he does it he's happy with himself about something. Like buttoning his shirt evenly so there isn't a buttonhole at the bottom with no button, and a button at the top with no buttonhole, or lacing up his shoes properly.

I don't know if that's the case about that photo being non-unique..., but I'll put money on it that it is and I never place bets unless the odds are in my favor to win. He was happy with himself and I'll bet it wasn't that he had just taken a shower and didn't get soap in his eyes.

JMO

It's a Mom thing.

 

[Dotta]

It doesn't give a specific date - just Nov. 2022. Ben mentions that Bryan had recently been reprimanded by Prof. Snyder and that finals were fast approaching. Most students were stressed out by the workload but BK looked physically ill with very dark eyes.

I seem to remember reading that it was AFTER the murders.

I read it years ago in MSM
but still remember this particular info.

JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Purchases history, MPD document

Most people have already heard about the July Walmart Beanie Hat purchase & 12-1-2022 hand towel packs purchases etc but adding this one cause it's new to me.


11.20.22

' 1000 watt continuous power inverter' & then a 2kw/4kw version ( planning to go off grid or camping in winter.....?)


any ideas why he'd want that in November? On his road trip with dad, wouldn't he be able to charge phones in car and devices at places they stopped en route?
' innocent' explanations welcome for buying the 1Kw on one day and the 2kw/4kw 3 days later

operating a vac to clean car somewhere quiet, remote?

this is in the period he's acting like ' the walking dead' ( as per FoxxTraxx's post on previous WS page)

 

[10ofRods]

I know that Kohberger was unable to be a TA for students - typically means grading papers - but did he have problems with his own coursework? He would have been required to take 3+ courses related to his research. He could have been granted scholarship for research, not just TA position.

Was he failing in his studies, or was he failing as a TA?

It's really uncommon for first year doctoral students to be granted an RA-ship. It's almost always TA-ship first (especially out here in the American West - where we are all accredited under the same overall WASC standards).

Secondly, only a handful of criminology programs have a full on grant-based program for supporting RA's. Lots of disciplines don't and getting one is competitive. He was obviously not doing the things he needed to do to get a good letter of recommendation from Prof. Snyder, who is in charge of the graduate program.

He didn't just have student complaints. He also had an altercation with Prof Snyder of some kind, resulting in Snyder filing conduct/behavioral paperwork on him before the murders.

Someone who is unable to TA because of the reasons mentioned by the other students (and by Prof Snyder in his documentation of the removal of Kohberger from TAing) is not going to be good RA material.

He was enrolled in at least 3 graduate classes, along with everyone else in his cohort. They hadn't gotten to research methods or a class on ethics, both of which are typically required before a student is allowed to do research (plus they have to write a prospectus - we can recall that Kohberger failed to follow his master's prospectus properly but was awarded a degree anyway).

 

[AcousticViper]

PS they don't seem to have picked up his quora account yet, haven't found it mentioned yet.

It's possible that the FBI took over this facet of the investigation, around August 2023 following the first (failed) Spotify return. There's a notable decrease in disclosures on the Cases of Interest website regarding social media accounts apart from a small number of warrants that were repeated.

My feeling is that the documents with the most redactions will be released last.

 

[otto]

It's really uncommon for first year doctoral students to be granted an RA-ship. It's almost always TA-ship first (especially out here in the American West - where we are all accredited under the same overall WASC standards).

Secondly, only a handful of criminology programs have a full on grant-based program for supporting RA's. Lots of disciplines don't and getting one is competitive. He was obviously not doing the things he needed to do to get a good letter of recommendation from Prof. Snyder, who is in charge of the graduate program.

He didn't just have student complaints. He also had an altercation with Prof Snyder of some kind, resulting in Snyder filing conduct/behavioral paperwork on him before the murders.

Someone who is unable to TA because of the reasons mentioned by the other students (and by Prof Snyder in his documentation of the removal of Kohberger from TAing) is not going to be good RA material.

He was enrolled in at least 3 graduate classes, along with everyone else in his cohort. They hadn't gotten to research methods or a class on ethics, both of which are typically required before a student is allowed to do research (plus they have to write a prospectus - we can recall that Kohberger failed to follow his master's prospectus properly but was awarded a degree anyway).

It sounds he like barely scraped by to complete the masters and to be accepted into the PhD program. Sometimes, supervisors are willing to take a chance on a wild card. It sounds like Kohberger was that wild card ... who turned out to be a dismal disappointment.

I recall reading something about his relationship with a professor during his master's degree, and I had the impression that he used arrogance and intimidation to influence grades - no idea where I read that anymore. I'm curious whether he tried that with Prof. Snyder and it backfired.

 

[whatzthebuzz]

Purchases history, MPD document

Most people have already heard about the July Walmart Beanie Hat purchase & 12-1-2022 hand towel packs purchases etc but adding this one cause it's new to me.


11.20.22

' 1000 watt continuous power inverter' & then a 2kw/4kw version ( planning to go off grid or camping in winter.....?)
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any ideas why he'd want that in November? On his road trip with dad, wouldn't he be able to charge phones in car and devices at places they stopped en route?
' innocent' explanations welcome for buying the 1Kw on one day and the 2kw/4kw 3 days later

operating a vac to clean car somewhere quiet, remote?

this is in the period he's acting like ' the walking dead' ( as per FoxxTraxx's post on previous WS page)

Dumb old lady question. What would this interverter be used for (and how) ? It runs off the car battery (which I'm inferring from your explanation) ?

 

[cottonweaver]

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He was enrolled in at least 3 graduate classes, along with everyone else in his cohort. They hadn't gotten to research methods or a class on ethics, both of which are typically required before a student is allowed to do research (plus they have to write a prospectus - we can recall that Kohberger failed to follow his master's prospectus properly but was awarded a degree anyway).

can you remind us of what you told us about that back in 2023 and what you'd surmised?

 

[cottonweaver]

Dumb old lady question. What would this interverter be used for (and how) ? It runs off the car battery (which I'm inferring from your explanation) ?

afaik you can buy a battery bank but I've never used one so I'm as unclear as you. I leave the gadgets and power stuff to my OH!

 

[GMG1999]

Bryan Kohberger victim's father shares new details of final moments

Kaylee Goncalves' parents spoke out hours after an Idaho judge lifted a sweeping gag order in the case - and days before Bryan Kohberger is set to be sentenced for her murder.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'You only got one time to be able to be a victim’s advocate and say what you need to say and to address the courtroom and everyone in Idaho, and they’re not going to let us know exactly what happened,' Steve said.
Rbm
This was published on 7/18, so I wondered if there was anything not being told to the families of the victims ?

Kohberger victim's father says evidence is being kept secret | Daily Mail Online

The father of Kaylee Goncalves, who was killed by Bryan Kohberger shared harrowing new details of her final moments... and says gruesome evidence is being kept secret.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The father of Kaylee Goncalves, who was killed by Bryan Kohberger shared harrowing new details of her final moments... and says gruesome evidence is being kept secret.

This made me think the families do not have all the answers they seek ?
Imo.

See this still surprising to me. So they got the bodies but not what happened to them at the time?

 

[Ghostwheel]

Absolutely - another WS-er had replied saying innocent explanation is just that Xana didn't close the front door properly after collecting her Door Dash

( On Kaylee's bedroom door, it was open when the first LEOs attended the scene. On the other point of Kaylee being mobile during the attack, until we see ISP forensic records which tell us something different about blood cast and spatter, there appears to be no suggestion she managed to get off MM's bed. ( No suggestion in the MPD records of blood cast)

I was speaking of Kaylee's door. We don't know she started in Maddies bed, just that she ended there. If her room door was closed when BK climbed the stairs and Maddies was open, he'd have likely gone to the easy room. Kaylee being mobile might be her hearing a noise. Getting up, leaving her door open, and going to Maddies room where she was attacked. BK might not have been put off by a dog if it was in a room with the door shut at the time, assuming he even knew the dog was there. The door to the room with Murphy in it MIGHT have been closed at the time BK came up the stairs. That was what I was saying. An alternative possibility.

About the front door, if it was only partially open, DM would almost have to had to close it to get past on the way to BFs room. The stairwell leads right to the front door. She didn't say anything about the front door being open when heading to BFs room that I recall. I might have missed it.

 

[AngTxGal]

I cut and pasted apart of my timeline:

Sept. 23 2022 BK has altercation with professor.

Oct. 3, 2022 BK had to have a meeting to discuss "professional behavior."

Oct 19 another online search: “Can Psychopaths behave prosocially,” according to Kohberger’s phone data.

Oct. 21 BK received an email about "failure to meet expectations."

Nov. 2 BK had to have a meeting to discuss "improvement plan progress."

Nov 22, 2022 Sheath hand delivered to Othram Labs, in Texas.

**He goes back to the University. Contues to be a teachers assistant (all of a sudden he is grading papers kinder/nicer).

Dec 2, 2022 BK got his hair cut. In the book, hairdresser gives her account.

Dec 7, 2022 BK had to have a meeting to "discuss improvement plan progress. "

Dec 9, 2022 BK had second altercation with professor.

Dec 10, BK's Dad buys his plain ticket.

Dec 10, 2022 FBI gets sheath back from Othram Labs for further testing.

Dec. 15, 2022 Classes ended at WSU.

Dec. 16 Classes end at UI Moscow.

(Date) BK leaves his home. Leaves behind a coverall tag and Walmart receipt on a bathroom shelf. He also takes ALL his clothes.

Dec 17, 2022 Home in Pennsylvania.

Dec 19, 2022 BK is officially terminated at his job.

Dec 30, 2022 after 1am he is arrested at parents home in PA.

Dec 30, 2022 WSU issued a No Trespassing Order against BK.

Moving this Timeline Forward- great info!
As I was looking at info on Ted Bundy trying to find links that BK may have used to make meaning of events, and guide his choices I noticed the similarities in birthdays. If Bundy was his idol, anything they had in common could have guided him.

Ted Bundy b Nov 24, 1946, 1st murder on record at age 27, death by execution Jan 24, 1989
Date of first double murder Feb 1, 1974
BK b Nov 21, 1994, Idaho murders at age 27 on Nov 13, 2022

If he had waited a week- he would have turned 28.
As twisted as his thinking may be- he may have set a deadline of his birthday so his first murders were at the same age as Bundy’s first murder on record.

Just my thoughts, but interesting, I’m sure others noticed this somewhere.

IMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I've discussed it before, but I'm certain BK has Raynauds. My partner has it. If you look at photographs showing his hands, they're often blanched white or obviously have blood pooling.

This picture shows it really clearly.

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Bryan Kohberger Indicted in Idaho Student Murders Case, Will Enter a Plea on Monday

Bryan Kohberger, 28, was arrested in late 2022 and charged with the murders of Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin

people.com

It could be Raynauds. I have that syndrome and red is one of the color phases as blood finally returns to your hands.
But I read that one of his OCD rituals is obsessive hand washing. One of my sons has OCD and his hands used to look like this a lot.
We’ve got a lot going on in our family! LOL!
If I had to guess, I think it’s OCD handwashing because the redness extends up over his wrists. The red phase for me in Raynauds never extended that far up, but maybe your partner’s is different.

 

[femto]

We just don’t agree on this. It happens.
I just can’t put my brain in any configuration that would allow me to think that Xana is in anyway responsible for her own death simply for running away and fighting back.
The killer would have been miles away before police got there even if Xana had called 911.
What threat was Ethan, asleep and passed out? He wasn’t calling 911 any time soon. The killer could have left after Xana, but he chose to kill him too.
Per Dylan, the killer looked her straight in the eye. She could have called 911, but he just walked past her as he left.
We just don’t agree and that’s OK. We’ll find something else along the way to agree on.

Where are you even coming up with this? Whoever suggested Xana is responsible for her death? I simply analyzed Kohberger's reactions during the crime and why he did what he did. Unless your argument is that he always intended to kill Xana from the get go and what happened in the house was his original plan which I thoroughly disagree on. As far as why he killed Ethan, I think he just perceived him as the biggest threat and I do believe Ethan started to wake up at the point Xana entered her room as that is the only explanation for his body position since I doubt Kohberger moved him on purpose. And even if we imagine he didn't wake up and he was killed in his sleep, you can still come to the conclusion that a large male in a tight confined place, while he was still murdering Xana, he would deem as a dangerous obstacle.

Saying what Dylan could and couldn't do eventually isn't the point here, the point is he didn't see her as a threat in the immediate moment. I don't think at any point past the murder of Maddie did he sit down and rationalize his actions. He killed on animal insinct, on whether at that specific moment he perceived someone was a danger to him. And again, I don't mean just a physical danger, I just mean a danger to his safety, being caught, etc.. As such Dylan staying still and not visibly reacting is what saved her life

 

[AngTxGal]

Where are you even coming up with this? Whoever suggested Xana is responsible for her death? I simply analyzed Kohberger's reactions during the crime and why he did what he did. Unless your argument is that he always intended to kill Xana from the get go and what happened in the house was his original plan which I thoroughly disagree on. As far as why he killed Ethan, I think he just perceived him as the biggest threat and I do believe Ethan started to wake up at the point Xana entered her room as that is the only explanation for his body position since I doubt Kohberger moved him on purpose. And even if we imagine he didn't wake up and he was killed in his sleep, you can still come to the conclusion that a large male in a tight confined place, while he was still murdering Xana, he would deem as a dangerous obstacle.

Saying what Dylan could and couldn't do eventually isn't the point here, the point is he didn't see her as a threat in the immediate moment. I don't think at any point past the murder of Maddie did he sit down and rationalize his actions. He killed on animal insinct, on whether at that specific moment he perceived someone was a danger to him. And again, I don't mean just a physical danger, I just mean a danger to his safety, being caught, etc.. As such Dylan staying still and not visibly reacting is what saved her life

We know Dylan saw BK, but do we know that BK saw Dylan? I don’t think we do.

It may be that BK did not see Dylan, but heard her yell for Kaylee and thought that voice was Xana’s.
He may have thought the noise and movement was gone and the house was cleared.
It is possible after Xana and Ethan his focus was getting out of there.

What is interesting is he did not go out the front door, which was right there down the steps. Instead he walked through the living room, that little hall, the kitchen, across the porch and around to his car that was parked nearest the front. Sure, he could have been seen going out the front- but also going to his car.
I also find it odd that instead of taking a left and walking in the dark between the house and that wall of dirt- the footsteps they found cross the porch and past the big stump to the right.

IMO