GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[zachs mema]

I wonder why this was such a massive problem at WSU but appears not one at all at deSales?

Could it be that it was during covid and he was often taught online?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Could it be that it was during covid and he was often taught online?

He was finishing up his in-person undergraduate courses at DeSales when Covid hit in March 2020, and his graduate masters degree at DeSales was an entirely online program.

 

[otto]

Thank you @girlhasnoname
Copied your comment from the previous thread.

That's the one I was recalled. I have to question what sort of relationship she had with Kohberger to have such strong feelings for him, to be so impressed, and to put her reputation on the line for him. I wondered whether he intimidated her and made her feel stupid, leaving her thinking that he's brilliant. Something else was at play for her to have her level of expertise in the criminal mind, and to not see who he is. His writing style, from what little I've read, seems flat and rigid ... but maybe she likes that.

We know that his students, women he met, and acquaintances had instant red flags when he was around ... yet his criminologist prof deemed him brilliant, and did not see red flags.

"His Master's Asst. Prof at DeSales, MB, is the one who gave the Murderer a glowing recommendation. She said she had only other recommended one other Masters Student to a Doctoral Program in her 10 years.​

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She thought the Murderer was extremely bright and intelligent. She sounded rather impressed by him.​

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A former university professor said the accused killer was “one of my best students, ever” — and that the then-master’s candidate was one of only two students she has recommended to a Ph.D. program.​

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MB, an associate professor at DeSales University in Pennsylvania, told the Daily Mail that Kohberger, who was arrested in the murders of four University of Idaho students, was a “great writer” and “brilliant student.”​

 

[otto]

Ugh, I’m so inept at carrying over a post from a previous thread, but I’m responding regarding BK’s self-administered I.Q. test online.

Years ago when I was a 21-year old newlywed, our next-door neighbor was working on his Psychology Master’s. He needed subjects to whom he could administer a standard I.Q. test, and my husband and I allowed him to use us as subjects.

I think he wasn’t supposed to tell us how we scored—-this was decades ago—-but I had a really pleasing score and teased my husband about scoring higher than him.

When the Internet was still newish, I took one of those online I.Q. tests and my score was ridiculous. Einstein level.

Clearly, I am no Einstein, so I recognized at once that these tests were bogus. I think the world “clickbait” was not yet in common usage, but looking back that’s exactly what it was.

A true I.Q. test is administered within certain parameters and scored by someone with knowledge in this field.

Hence I do not at all believe that BK was particularly intelligent, and I confess to being very judgmental when reading his crime questionnaire. It seemed very poorly written and amateurish to me. No original thought, and IMO he’d never have obtained a Ph.D that he could orally defend before the examiners.

JMO and JME.

That's my impression as well. He seems to lack the ability to easily synthesize information, but he can probably regurgitate without too much difficulty.

 

[otto]

I've read the many theories about what may have happened on the night that the four students were murdered, and I still lean in another direction.

I think it's possible that Kohberger had his eye on Maddie and had been watching her. He knew which bedroom was hers. I don't think he expected Kaylee to be there. She had moved out, her car was not there. She had a new car.

After the lights were out, he sneaked into the house through the unlocked kitchen door - knowing it was unlocked. He quietly went upstairs and into Maddie's bedroom. I think he had the knife to coerce her to quietly leave with him. He had a long route planned after leaving the house - which I suspect included a location where he planned to take Maddie. Even though there was no reason for that long route, he took it anyway because it was part of his original plan.

I think he wanted to remove Maddie from the house and that his motive was sexual.

It all went sideways starting with Kaylee in Maddie's bed, then Xana awake getting food and checking on the noise, then Xana running to her bedroom where Ethan was in bed.

If Kaylee had not been there, I don't think that Kohberger's sole objective was to stab Maddie. I also don't think he intended to do anything to her with others in the house. I think he wanted to get her out of the house fast.

... just another opinion about motive.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Josh Ritter once again speaks with Kevin Fixler, this time about Fixler’s recent Bill Thompson interview:

• Fixler discusses his hour-long interview with Prosecutor Bill Thompson that took place this morning (Monday, July 28)
• Next up for Bill Thompson is going through the unsealing process of court docs with Judge Hippler
• The prosecution team was fully ready to go to trial and thought they could secure a conviction, and Josh Hurwit was disappointed they didn’t get to go to trial (though he was on board with the plea deal).
• The plea deal was not a plea bargain, meaning there was no negotiation with the Defense. Fixler says the Prosecution may have been surprised the Defense accepted the deal.
• Thompson wanted the murderer to admit guilt, which he wouldn’t have to do with a trial.
• The murderer would most likely have been found by LE without the DNA on the knife sheath (due to the car and cell phone tower evidence, plus the Amazon purchase of the knife and sheath), however, it may have been difficult to charge him (which they didn’t do until after the trash pull in PA).
• LE did not receive the footage from the neighboring property (1112 King Rd) until a week and a half after the murders since the students living there had left Moscow.
• Thompson said there is more evidence in court records that he can’t yet speak about. This evidence increased their confidence that they had the right man.
• Dylan saw the murderer carrying something with both hands, with an arrow-shaped object on top (possibly the knife).
• Dylan didn’t know someone else was in the house when she heard a person running down the stairs, so she may have just heard the murderer (and not Kaylee or Xana).
• They aren’t sure whether Xana or Ethan was killed first.
• There is no evidence that the murderer sat in Xana’s room, nor was Xana’s blood found on the third floor.
• The back of Ethan’s legs were cut.
• James Fry was upset about the leak of the security camera footage and wants the leaker to be found.
• Fixler emphasizes importance of vetting all sources, which Dateline didn’t do, apparently. He will, however, trust what the lead prosecutor tells him in an interview.
• The murderer is not Pappa Rodger.
• Thompson intends to finish up his four-year term, but may leave early once he stabilizes his office.
• The DoorDash driver didn’t see the murderer himself (the person), but she would have been called as a witness (more to come from Fixler in The Idaho Statesman).
• According to LE, the murderer may have chosen the house at random right before the murders! (It was a crime of opportunity.)
• Thompson pursued and got the death penalty only one time in his career, but it the death penalty was removed on appeal; after that, Thompson did not pursue death penalty until the present case.
• Fixler invites everyone to attend the hour-long Idaho Statesman livestream Q & A on the case (linked earlier in this thread by @LetsSolvIt) that takes place tomorrow (Tuesday, July 29) from 2 to 3 pm EDT: How we covered the crime that captivated the world

 

[Warwick7]

I've read the many theories about what may have happened on the night that the four students were murdered, and I still lean in another direction.

I think it's possible that Kohberger had his eye on Maddie and had been watching her. He knew which bedroom was hers. I don't think he expected Kaylee to be there. She had moved out, her car was not there. She had a new car.

After the lights were out, he sneaked into the house through the unlocked kitchen door - knowing it was unlocked. He quietly went upstairs and into Maddie's bedroom. I think he had the knife to coerce her to quietly leave with him. He had a long route planned after leaving the house - which I suspect included a location where he planned to take Maddie. Even though there was no reason for that long route, he took it anyway because it was part of his original plan.

I think he wanted to remove Maddie from the house and that his motive was sexual.

It all went sideways starting with Kaylee in Maddie's bed, then Xana awake getting food and checking on the noise, then Xana running to her bedroom where Ethan was in bed.

If Kaylee had not been there, I don't think that Kohberger's sole objective was to stab Maddie. I also don't think he intended to do anything to her with others in the house. I think he wanted to get her out of the house fast.

... just another opinion about motive.

BBM
I was looking over my timeline tonight. I am dead set Maddie was his target.

Although I put it in my timeline I didn't really realize KG as well as DM hadn't moved there until August 22, 2022.
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July 1, 2022 BK and his father arrived in Pullman.

July 9, 2022 BK was invited to an afternoon pool party in nearby Moscow, Idaho, according to three witnesses who met him there. He was awkward while there. Got a couple phone numbers and bolted.
(Did he follow someone home?)

Between July 9th and November 7th, between 10 pm and 4am -- 23 separate times, was within 100 meters of the house on 23 occasions.

Who had he zeroed in on? DM and KG hadn't moved in yet. Maddie was living there. And I don't know when Xana moved in.

My point is, Maddie was there as of July 9th. That can't be a coincidence.

 

[Warwick7]

Josh Ritter once again speaks with Kevin Fixler, this time about Fixler’s recent Bill Thompson interview:

• Fixler discusses his hour-long interview with Prosecutor Bill Thompson that took place this morning (Monday, July 28)—Next up for Bill Thompson is going through the unsealing process of court docs with Judge Hippler
• Fixler invites everyone to attend the hour-long Idaho Statesman livestream Q & A on the case (linked earlier in this thread by @LetsSolvIt) that takes place tomorrow (Tuesday, July 29) from 2 to 3 pm EDT: How we covered the crime that captivated the world

Boom! We all knew there was other evidence!

 

[Warwick7]

Josh Ritter once again speaks with Kevin Fixler, this time about Fixler’s recent Bill Thompson interview:

• Fixler discusses his hour-long interview with Prosecutor Bill Thompson that took place this morning (Monday, July 28)
• Next up for Bill Thompson is going through the unsealing process of court docs with Judge Hippler
• The prosecution team was fully ready to go to trial and thought they could secure a conviction.
• The plea deal was not a plea bargain, meaning there was no negotiation with the Defense. Fixler says the Prosecution may have been surprised the Defense accepted the deal.
• Thompson wanted the murderer to admit guilt, which he wouldn’t have to do with a trial.
• Fixler invites everyone to attend the hour-long Idaho Statesman livestream Q & A on the case (linked earlier in this thread by @LetsSolvIt) that takes place tomorrow (Tuesday, July 29) from 2 to 3 pm EDT: How we covered the crime that captivated the world

KG's sister asked BK what was the second weapon he used on KG. Then later LE said "there was not a second weapon."

On social media Aleiva was mocked by some over that.

NOW Thompson is agreeing there could have been a second weapon.

 

[Warwick7]

Josh Ritter once again speaks with Kevin Fixler, this time about Fixler’s recent Bill Thompson interview:

• Fixler discusses his hour-long interview with Prosecutor Bill Thompson that took place this morning (Monday, July 28)
• Next up for Bill Thompson is going through the unsealing process of court docs with Judge Hippler
• The prosecution team was fully ready to go to trial and thought they could secure a conviction.
• The plea deal was not a plea bargain, meaning there was no negotiation with the Defense. Fixler says the Prosecution may have been surprised the Defense accepted the deal.
• Thompson wanted the murderer to admit guilt, which he wouldn’t have to do with a trial.
• The case could have survived the DNA on the knife sheath not being a piece of evidence (due to car and cell phone evidence).
• LE did not receive the footage from the neighboring property (1112 King Rd) until a week and a half after the murders since the students living there had left Moscow
• Fixler invites everyone to attend the hour-long Idaho Statesman livestream Q & A on the case (linked earlier in this thread by @LetsSolvIt) that takes place tomorrow (Tuesday, July 29) from 2 to 3 pm EDT: How we covered the crime that captivated the world

No blood of Xana's upstairs.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950007733949706344

 

[Warwick7]

Again the second weapon is brought out again.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Josh Ritter once again speaks with Kevin Fixler, this time about Fixler’s recent Bill Thompson interview:

• Fixler discusses his hour-long interview with Prosecutor Bill Thompson that took place this morning (Monday, July 28)
• Next up for Bill Thompson is going through the unsealing process of court docs with Judge Hippler
• The prosecution team was fully ready to go to trial and thought they could secure a conviction, and Josh Hurwit was disappointed they didn’t get to go to trial (though he was on board with the plea deal).
• The plea deal was not a plea bargain, meaning there was no negotiation with the Defense. Fixler says the Prosecution may have been surprised the Defense accepted the deal.
• Thompson wanted the murderer to admit guilt, which he wouldn’t have to do with a trial.
• The murderer would most likely have been found by LE without the DNA on the knife sheath (due to the car and cell phone tower evidence, plus the Amazon purchase of the knife and sheath), however, it may have been difficult to charge him (which they didn’t do until after the trash pull in PA).
• LE did not receive the footage from the neighboring property (1112 King Rd) until a week and a half after the murders since the students living there had left Moscow.
• Thompson said there is more evidence in court records that he can’t yet speak about. This evidence increased their confidence that they had the right man.
• Dylan saw the murderer carrying something with both hands, with an arrow-shaped object on top (possibly the knife).
• Dylan didn’t know someone else was in the house when she heard a person running down the stairs, so she may have just heard the murderer (and not Kaylee or Xana).
• They aren’t sure whether Xana or Ethan was killed first.
• There is no evidence that the murderer sat in Xana’s room, nor was Xana’s blood found on the third floor.
• The back of Ethan’s legs were cut.
• James Fry was upset about the leak of the security camera footage and wants the leaker to be found.
• Fixler emphasizes importance of vetting all sources, which Dateline didn’t do, apparently. He will, however, trust what the lead prosecutor tells him in an interview.
• The murderer is not Pappa Rodger.
• Thompson intends to finish up his four-year term, but may leave early once he stabilizes his office.
• The DoorDash driver didn’t see the murderer himself (the person), but she would have been called as a witness (more to come from Fixler in The Idaho Statesman).
• According to LE, the murderer may have chosen the house at random right before the murders! (It was a crime of opportunity.)
• Thompson pursued and got the death penalty only one time in his career, but it the death penalty was removed on appeal; after that, Thompson did not pursue death penalty until the present case.
• Fixler invites everyone to attend the hour-long Idaho Statesman livestream Q & A on the case (linked earlier in this thread by @LetsSolvIt) that takes place tomorrow (Tuesday, July 29) from 2 to 3 pm EDT: How we covered the crime that captivated the world

Correction:

After the Supreme Court reversed the death penalty in the only case in which Thompson both pursued and obtained the death penalty (in 2000), Thompson did not try again to impose the death penalty and instead accepted two life sentences (that the defendant is still serving to this day, 25 years later). Fixler does not say anything about whether Thompson subsequently pursued the death penalty in other cases between the one in 2000 and the current case.

More highlights:

• No connection found between the murderer and any victim.
• Although they wanted to find it, LE could establish no connection between the murderer and the Mad Greek (where Maddie and Xana worked).
• The walls had been changed and the furniture and belongings pulled, so the house provided no evidentiary value (plus Judge Hippler may not have approved for the jury to be bussed all the way from Boise to Moscow).
• The State was not going to call Dr. Katherine Ramsland (or Dr. Michelle Bolger). Instead, they were going to call the professor who assigned the final paper the murderer wrote that described how he would process a murder scene.
• Fry was upset that “one of their own” (someone who knew LE techniques and wanted to work with LE) committed the murders.
• Referring to the fact that the sheets were pulled back on Kaylee’s bed, Fixer asked Thompson if it’s possible that Kaylee was sleeping in her own room and then went into Maddie‘s room after hearing the commotion. Thompson said that is not what his observation of the scene showed. Both girls were underneath the covers in Maddie’s bed, in their pajamas (indicating they were both in the bed when the murderer entered Maddie’s room).
• Fixler said he hasn’t gone through all the documents, and that there were more than 500. Interesting, since only 314 are listed on the Moscow Police website.
• There is no indication that the murderer posed any of the victims (apparently, this rumor is going around right now).
• The murderer searched the Pullman police and fire broadcast feed soon after the murders.
• The murderer never said a word about the murders during his graduate classes, even though he prior to the murders he would show off his knowledge.
• The murderer was unflappable/calm during the interview with police right after capture.

 

[snooptroop88]

This People article summarizes what the Moscow Police investigation documents say about Murphy:

Did Bryan Kohberger Win Over Kaylee Goncalves’ Dog Before Idaho Murders — Letting Him Slip into House Undetected?

The only inaccuracy I can find is the statement near the end that police found Murphy “with the bodies of Goncalves and Madison Mogen.” Instead, Murphy was found on Kaylee’s bed, with the door to her bedroom open.

From Supp 125:

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IMO

THANK YOU!! Thank you on this! I'd been looking & looking for confirmation in the docs that the door was open, I saw it implied in other supps, but could never find it spelled out anywhere.

I still wonder if poor Murphy wasn't roaming the house to some extent when Nothingberger was committing his horrors. The smells and noises must have upset Murphy terribly.

Monsterberger.

 

[snooptroop88]

@SteveP post in last thread: If anyone has seen any document suggesting that the JITB bag seen in photos was not the DD delivery that Xana received that morning, or has seen any suggestion that 163214, a vegan, took the food, other than the one People article, that contained other inaccuracies, please share any such link here. In his apparent haste to leave the house after murdering the four, I think there is zero chance that he took time to grab any fast food on the way out. JMO

100% agreed on this. I just don't see how that happened-- other than if Nothingberger placed the order himself and was trying to make LE think there'd never been any order at all. THEN I can see it happening-- maybe. But there is like no, no way on the face of the earth I think he took perishable items as a trophy. And he doesn't eat meat, so...

 

[Boxer]

For sure.

And then... potentially.... imagine the visits he didn't make by car - where he left his car further away and walked though the wood line on foot, phone on airplane ( That prowler report and sedan car sighting which Gray Hughes has now included in one of his shows)

After going through all these new documents, I do think that before he arrived in WSU end of June, he'd decided to execute an attack in WA or Idaho even though he didn't have a specific target in mind while he was still at DeSales

Agree. For instance, parking on Walenta allows walking down to the wooded parking area behind 1122.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

How satisfying to see the words Case Closed on the Case Summary:



I wonder if the murderer paid the $251,227.50 he owes by the due date.

I never noticed that the case numbers changed between Latah County and Ada County on the Cases of Interest page (even though the Case Summary page uses the Ada County case number only):



Unfortunately, the links to the 2022, 2023, and 2024 webpages for Latah County are no longer available, though the webpages for Ada County are still available (with the earliest available court document dated September 5, 2024).

Interestingly, links for Latah County documents in posts from earlier threads still work (like this one for the Probable Cause Affidavit), even though the files are shown as locked on the Case Summary.

Perhaps the Latah County docs are currently under review, and the webpages with links will be available later. Just in case, though, you may wish to download any ADA County document you don’t want to (perhaps temporarily) lose access to.

 

[girlhasnoname]

We can add Brian Entin to the list of people who claim that 163214's father was not in the courtroom for the sentencing hearing. Entin has been to every hearing of this case, I believe, and he certainly would have recognized the dad if he had been there. I think the lone reporter that claimed he was there was mistaken. I think the sister was perhaps there to support her mother, because her father chose not to go, for whatever reason.

I do hope that all of the killer's family members can begin the slow process of healing, now that he has been sentenced and taken to prison. They, like the victims' families, are victims as well. JMO

I agree @SteveP. We heard conflicting statements, and while I believe the Murderer's father was physically present in Moscow, I don't think he attended the sentencing hearing. I believe he wouldn't have been able sit through the Victims Impact Statements.

Mom was going to be there come he ll or high water, and the sister would have gone in support of her Mother.

Brian E only addressed that the Murderer mouthed "I Love You" to Mom on the way in, and "I'll see you later" to his sister on the way out. If Dad would have been there I 100% think he would have said something to him.

JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Agree. For instance, parking on Walenta allows walking down to the wooded parking area behind 1122.

Yes he could've been super careful on many of his prior 23 visits wrt using his car on King Rd itself ( Until weather turned colder and he wants to sit in his car at the back of 1122?)

Plus hanging around on foot, hidden in the trees seems to fit what we've been told about history of his behavior since living in PA. (He wants to spy while being unseen, that in itself probably gives him a thrill. Power/Control too)
and his stated interest in burglary crimes which he's still referencing in the TA office in Fall 2022.
He's devious enough. ( Even the other TAs are noticing he's devious re workload etc)

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Returning to Q of how long he'd planned to commit an attack, what do you think of the notion that he'd already factored in his car reg being due to expire on Nov 30th? ( MPD documents state that on Nov 18 he reg'd the Elantra to WA - where he'd have 2 plates - and that it had been set to expire on 30th) Advance planning to commit a murder before Nov 30 or just a coincidence?

as an aside, vaguely recollect a reporter saying that when he went to change car reg he went in a face mask but dunno where I heard that but sounds like one of those dumb BK incidences which makes him more memorable.

 

[Warwick7]

Alivea Goncalves said many of Kaylee’s other belongings were picked up by their parents, covered in blood and in hazmat bags.

What was second weapon you used on Kaylee?" A hypothetical question in the moment, but one that investigators have yet to figure out. Kaylee Goncalves had unique injuries described as a horizontal pattern, and it’s not clear what caused them, police confirmed to ABC News.

Kaylee Goncalves' sister speaks out about courtroom confrontation with Bryan Kohberger

"I was prepared to be arrested that day," Alivea Goncalves told ABC News of confronting her younger sister's killer in court.

abcnews.go.com