GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Dotta]

Ted Bundy had actually been in law school. Kohberger has not and the only experience he has of the law is his own case. The only skill he would have to offer other inmates would be his English writing skills, which while less than impressive in the homework/application that we have seen, is probably better than some of the inmates. And that's all he has to offer along with his subpar teaching assistant skills. There will be other inmates with better helping skills, personal knowledge of the legal system and filing appeals, and sufficient writing skills that prisoners could get help from without having to be talked down to by BK.

He's not a legal genius. That's not what his classes covered. It's not like he helped write any of the filings the defense team submitted. Heck, he didn't even have to sign them, so I question how many of them he ever even actually read as opposed to just had AT summarize to him verbally before she filed them. There are going to be guys there who have been in prison for years and have experience from going through as well as filing appeals of their own.

Hmmm...

BK has Master's Degree in Criminal Justice.
I bet there aren't many inmates with this kind of background.

 

[cottonweaver]

He's going to wish he'd got the DP

Joel from STS says that the Death Row inmates have better conditions than BK will have on J block.
The eight DR inmates have a yard and are allowed to socialize and play cards unlike the other restrictive housing inmates like BK

At 7 mins

On cable news another reporter explained the door ' socks' you could see at the bottom of door cells. She explained that they were to stop inmates from sending each other notes on strings!

 

[girlhasnoname]

It's why Doctor Death (surgeon), BTK (ADT security and permit office/security officer!), Golden State Killer (a cop for over 20 years!), etc.. all worked in professions that attract guys like them.

Positions of power and control over others, which is what they seek.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

Yes, IMO he definitely attempted to control every interaction he had with the police.

Which is what a psychopath will 100% do!

"According to preeminent psychopathy expert Robert Hare, “Psychopaths are social predators who charm, manipulate, and ruthlessly plow their way through life.” The psychopath does not play by the rules, and they will stop at nothing to come out on top. They often engage you in “mind games” while destroying your reputation and ruining your life. This can happen whether you are their spouse, child, coworker, a business colleague, or anyone who they target who gets in the way of their agenda."

"As psychopathy expert Paul Babiak has written, “The psychopath puts you at a clear disadvantage. They operate best in secret, so your reputation can be destroyed without your even being aware….”"

"A rule of thumb: Anyone who knows the psychopath and knows you will favor their side of the story. The psychopath builds an interlocking web of deceit to protect them from suspicion. While it is noble to stand by your principles and not tolerate being pushed around by a psychopath, beware: As Hare warns, “it will probably be difficult to do so without risking serious emotional or physical trauma.”"

Beware of Power Struggles With Psychopaths: Dealing with psychopaths is risky because they seek to dominate, control, and win.

 

[Sundog]

IMO

All these issues should have been immediately reported to the landlord.

Landlord's key duties to tenants include maintaining a safe and habitable living space, making necessary repairs,
ensuring the property meets basic health and safety standards.

It is the Law.

JMO

I have no doubt that the landlord or property management they hired to take care of the house's upkeep were not at fault for any of these issues. If the tenant(s) don't report a problem, they can't be fixed.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

Yes, this makes much more sense to me than killer carrying two weapons. He had been a boxer (so he said), so he knew how to “effectively punch,” as you put it.

Bryan Kohberger once bragged about cutting fish, boxing routine on job application

Bryan Kohberger, the accused killer of four Idaho college kids, reportedly once bragged about his boxing routine and previous work as a “fish cutter” on a 2015 application for a job.

nypost.com

The fish cutting! That means he knows how to not only use a large knife to gut a fish and de scale it, but that means he knows how to cut correctly if he were to murder someone and how to hand them like a large fish when needing to let the bowls and organs fall out, think of people who catch sword fish to little sharks.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

My thing is this, he is faking his Autism, why? He was diagnosed while in custody after having been caught for the murders. After lockdown, the spike in Autism and ADHD content online, to Reddit and TikTok especially, it wouldn't surprise me if he RESEARCHED traits, how many things you need to check off to get a legal diagnosis, and what it actually looks like. The guy was found to have a friggin' final exam paper on crime scene forensics, like come on, he was thinking ahead, using it as a way to avoid the death penalty when getting caught, similar to like when John Wayne Gacy tried to get an insanity plea and use it to get out from going to prison and then they later found out he was faking it all and just manipulating the court during his trial.

If he had been diagnosed long before this all happened, then yes, I would easily believe he was (I have a non-verbal cousin with Autism whose the same age as Brian!), but because of the TIMING of it and the fact he was evaluated while waiting for a trial, I'm telling you he is faking it as a way for people to have sympathy for him, all an act of manipulation so people would take his side and demand him to be set free or to go lighter on him.

As what a psychology published in an article on Psychopaths being criminals:

"The 2012 FBI report states that the unique ability of psychopathic criminals to manipulate law enforcement authorities poses legitimate challenges for the criminal justice system. During interrogations, psychopaths are not sensitive to altruistic interview themes such as sympathy for their victims or remorse for their criminal acts.

As a result of their arrogance and illusions of invulnerability, they are more likely than non-psychopaths to deny charges brought against them by authorities. According to the FBI, there is also evidence that psychopaths are able to influence the system to either receive reduced sentences or appeal their sentences to a higher court.

This is likely due to the fact that psychopaths are extremely meticulous, compulsive and relentless by nature which helps them to coerce criminal justice practitioners. Moreover, psychopaths are very adept at imitating emotions such as remorse or guilt in the courtroom if they believe it will mitigate their punishment."

 

[SteveP]

That's rather questionable that they demolished the house before the trial instead of after the trial. Usually they wait till after the trial incase something in discovery needs them to go back to the scene and re-exam something that was missed. That makes me wonder if it was a forced decision to demolish it by people who were, hate to say it, those insane serial killer fans who steal stuff from crime scenes to either collect or auction off online. Maybe they had too many true crime podcasters trying to go there and was making everyone around town uncomfortable with this.

While it is uncommon to demolish a house where such a brutal crime was committed before a trial is held, this house was somewhat of a unique situation, according to the former Idaho Attorney General.

Former Attorney General David Leroy said this case is unique.

"During the intervening months, they've removed furniture, they've boarded up the windows, they've done all kinds of things significantly alter[ing] the structure," Leroy said.

Altered to the point where the house isn't the same as it was at the time of the murders.

I had also read that parts of walls and flooring had been removed for forensic examination. Both the state, including the FBI, and the defense, had as much time as they needed to get whatever they needed in the house, and neither formally objected to the demolition.

"Both the prosecution and the defense have had several months to go back into the house, we have 1000s of photographs, we have videos of the structure that will give those lines of sight, the spatial relations, likely acoustics, etc., inside the house,” Leroy said. “In this case, the prosecution is advised that the FBI is prepared to construct a model of the house, whether that's virtual or physical."

Leroy said even if the defense or the prosecution asked the judge to allow a jury to go back and view the inside or outside of the house, it wouldn't be granted because of alterations to the house. He also thinks the university made the right call in demolishing the house.

And as to wannabe fans trying to steal things from the house to keep or sell online, 1122 KIng Road had on-site, 24-hour security, from the morning of the murders until the morning of the demolition, at no small cost.

Only my opinion, but I believe it was the right decision, for many reasons, to demolish the house when it was.

Legal expert weighs in on timing of the King Road house demolition

Former Attorney General David Leroy said the prosecution and defense can use information gathered from the house to answer potential legal questions.

www.ktvb.com

Cost of security prompted by Idaho college killings tops $1.2M for university

The cost of Idaho college killings tops $1.2 million for the University of Idaho.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Dotta]

I have no doubt that the landlord or property management they hired to take care of the house's upkeep were not at fault for any of these issues. If the tenant(s) don't report a problem, they can't be fixed.

Sure.

But, mind you,
a responsible landlord ought to inspect the property at least once a month in person,
if only to check whether the house is still standing.

You know
"When a cat is away, the mice play."

Be in constant contact with tenants, ask about any problems with the property.
Or safety issues.

Repairs are landlord's duty.
Come & check everything.
It's landlord's property after all, right?

JMO

(Vide the house in Pheobe Bishop case in Australia)

ETA
Now I remember that someone from Xana's family came to fix the lock on her bedroom door.
Seriously???
Is it tenant's task to make repairs???

 

[ForensicPatterns]

Positions of power and control over others, which is what they seek.

100% They have a fear of being controlled, so that's why they have to always control everyone else in life, like puppets with strings. It's also why they'll easily commit to unaliving themselves to willingly let the cops take them in a shoot out instead because prison is loosing freedom, they don't like that one bit! That's why when you see a school shooter take their life, that is probably someone with psychopathy or sociopathy.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

One of the most gruesome images, and most highly debated on this forum, was the blood-like substance seen seeping from the King Road house in photos taken shortly after the murders, with many believing that it could not have actually been blood. It has now been confirmed that it was indeed blood, and was Ethan's. That haunting picture will stay with me for the rest of my life, and learning new information about the sheer brutality of the murders has made it even more haunting.

In Kernodle's room, her body was on the floor and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin's body was on her bed. Chapin's blood seeped out of the side of the house in the hours before his body was discovered, officials confirmed.

I cannot even think of the murderer as human. He is purely evil incarnate. JMO

Idaho murders: Investigators speak out about targets, motive and interviewing Kohberger

ABC News sat down with Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson, the lead detective in the Idaho murders case, after Bryan Kohberger was put behind bars for life.

abcnews.go.com

This part in the article you liked is very telling:

Thompson noted "there was evidence that [Kohberger] had been deleting things from his devices, trying to sanitize his devices. So we don't know if there was something there he got rid of."

 

[ForensicPatterns]

I know he has pleaded guilty and I believe that he IS guilty, but something has been semi-bothering me.

Why do you think he entered a plea so close to trial? Bill Thompson admitted at the press conference that he had no online or offline connections to any of them. No motive. No murder weapon. No forensic computer data.

Is there maybe something in discovery that came through that made him take the plea? Something damning?

As per what a psychologist said about psychopaths who are criminals:

"The 2012 FBI report states that the unique ability of psychopathic criminals to manipulate law enforcement authorities poses legitimate challenges for the criminal justice system. During interrogations, psychopaths are not sensitive to altruistic interview themes such as sympathy for their victims or remorse for their criminal acts.

As a result of their arrogance and illusions of invulnerability, they are more likely than non-psychopaths to deny charges brought against them by authorities. According to the FBI, there is also evidence that psychopaths are able to influence the system to either receive reduced sentences or appeal their sentences to a higher court.

This is likely due to the fact that psychopaths are extremely meticulous, compulsive and relentless by nature which helps them to coerce criminal justice practitioners. Moreover, psychopaths are very adept at imitating emotions such as remorse or guilt in the courtroom if they believe it will mitigate their punishment."

 

[INfisherman]

May I kindly request if quoting from ONE of HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of documents recently released to the public, that they PLEASE BE SCREENSHOT, ATTACHED, LINKED or at least provide the document name &/or number to reference?

We have a storyline that is going down a path that LE had several of the suspect’s phones in their possession PRIOR to his arrest & it seems it was the victim’s phones. It would be nice to avoid creating any potential confusion going forward.

Thanks!

ETA this makes fact checking much faster & just linking to hundreds or thousands of documents isn’t very convenient to check a few facts for some users here.

ETA 2 - added screenshot, or provide doc name &/or number;

 

[ForensicPatterns]

People use the phrase "touch DNA" as if it's somehow not quite actual DNA. You can get a full DNA profile from touch DNA and in this case, the sample from the knife sheath was a statistical match to Kohberger's cheek swab. I

Correct and then they used forensic genology, same method they use now to solve cold cases and how they find old serial killers who haven't been caught; the same method used to catch the golden state killer! It's how they were able to ID two of JWG's victims that were still as john doe's.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

Moreover from that, BK may have been the source of why the door did not work properly (broken lock?, loose hinges on the front too). It is not typical to have issues like this. Gaining access to study the floor plan and become comfortable, there was evidence just like with lingering at the back of the yard to desentize Murphy. I am remembering the neighbor in Pullman, who he may have been the source of moving around items in the bathroom,

Whatever was going on with the doors/dog behavior should have been red flags to the residents. It should have been reported and repaired. JMOO

Stating the obvious, students believing this house was a coveted place to rent is part of the problem. Too many people coming and going, residents only feeling responsible for their bedroom, and neglect of basic issues like security, lighting, broken locks, and even deck access contributed. They could have done a lot better for $3k a month. It is just obvious and neglectful at minimum. JMOO

Wouldn't surprise me if he gave treats to the pet to subdue them into liking them every time they came around to stalk the place. It's a conditioning method so that the pet learns trusts whomever is giving them food.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

He might be a legal advisor to other inmates.
(Being educated)
Didn't Ted B. assist other inmates with their legal cases while incarcerated?

Let's not forget BK is cunning & manipulative.
I have a feeling he might carve a niche for himself in prison that will benefit him.

JMO

Yes he did, so has John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway (Green River), Dennis Radar (BTK), Son of Sam, Charles Manson, and so on. They do this to learn if their profile they built of the unsub is on track or if they actually are heading in the wrong direction, especially when something in the evidence isn't adding up they seek out people like this because of their ability to cut straight to the evidence of why it.

Ted Bundy helped Seattle PD and FBI catch the Green River Killer, Gary Ridgeway! Ridgeway helped later on with one or two he consulted for while in prison for life.

 

[INfisherman]

This makes the most sense and I’m sure he hated this outcome. The other thing I’ve thought about is he didn’t want anything coming out at trial as to possible things that won’t be released from any of the agencies in upcoming document dumps.

Too bad he didn’t hate what got him there in the first place more than the outcome.

 

[ForensicPatterns]

Hmmm...

BK has Master's Degree in Criminal Justice.
I bet there aren't many inmates with this kind of background.

There aren't but psychopaths are attracted to law enforcement position not just power and control gate keeping thrills of playing games with civilians, but those who go down paths to help stay ahead of the curve of their own killings, is a massive reason why some people strongly believe The Zodiac Killer is local PD in San Francisco or was a military person since their was base close to majority of the kills. Like Dahmer, he was a 69 Whiskey, a battle field medic, so he knew how to surgically open a person and slice off body parts for surgery, which he utilize those same skills for when murdering innocent people. And that part always made me go WTF, how did they not catch that skill Dahmer had from the military and the missing kids in the neighborhood???

 

[INfisherman]

Touch dna is still DNA but could easily try to be explained away because it was touch. I’ve read through almost all of the doc dump and they really just didn’t have a lot. Some but not a lot. JMO

Evidently they had enough that his attorney, one of the few death penalty PA trial lawyers in the state, advised him to plead guilty & admit he was the murderer.

She tried dealing with the touch DNA, how it was obtained & whether it was constitutionally obtained prior to the trial & she lost all her motions to suppress it. The DNA was coming in & she had no defense for explaining away how his DNA could have gotten inside the victim’s house going into trial.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

I know the facts of this case, Otto. I know what B, D and the neighbors have said they heard. My point is that, at trial , Taylor would have had to rigorously challenge what the 2 surviving room mates THINK they heard. Maybe both sides did acoustic testing ( I assume they did) but that isn't the same as a juror being able to see for themselves what could and could not be heard at the crime scene. That's just my opinion.

BBM
When jurors do a walk-through, they are not allowed to speak. Basically no one speaks. No experiments can be held, such as testing acoustics. It's only a walk-through.