GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[cottonweaver]

I'm thinking his parents were at work.

isn't the dad almost 70? Both retired?

Anyway, notice only one 'Sister' is referenced in these comms.
Contacts list ' Mother' ' Father' ' Sister'
( Amanda is the one who attended his sentencing. Melissa is the one who used to work /works in mental health/ therapist)

 

[Warwick7]

isn't the dad almost 70? Both retired?

Anyway, notice only one 'Sister' is referenced in these comms.
Contacts list ' Mother' ' Father' ' Sister'

Yep caught that too. As if he only had one sister.

 

[cottonweaver]

PHOTOS! He thinks he's a crime scene investigator. JMOO

People might remember those black vests we looked at here on WS, so that you can film, hands-free, phone in pocket slot ( You can capture still images later)

And/or using his phone to pin his burial/deposit locations, so that in the future he'd be able to re-find the exact spot. This is the main reason for me( I never believed he'd lose track of that knife in a river)

other options alongside filming or photographing
- monitoring his targets' SM activity
- using that YikYak app

lower probability but still possibilities?
- maybe even Grub truck's twitch stream
- wildest one would be having installed a spy cam just like the Korean WSU's apartment. ( I don't personally think he had a cam inside 1122 but adding it , just for the sake of it)

 

[SteveP]

I'm thinking his parents were at work.

I am pretty certain his parents were both retired. JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

I am pretty certain his parents were both retired. JMO

It hits how selfish criminals are, especially those with a solid background and should know better.

His parents' later years are marred because of him. I know there is terrible suffering by MANY people because of him, but he knowingly did that to his parents. The depth of his selfishness is unfathomable.

jmopinion

 

[Dotta]

It hits how selfish criminals are, especially those with a solid background and should know better.

His parents' later years are marred because of him. I know there is terrible suffering by MANY people because of him, but he knowingly did that to his parents. The depth of his selfishness is unfathomable.

jmopinion

I guess
his parents have been worried sick about him all his life.
Just to mention
father reporting him to Police for stealing phone from sister, his heroin addiction, strange obsessive behaviour, etc.

But, of course,
this case was the final, deadly blow.
Completely shattering them,
destroying any chance of peaceful retirement.
Sentencing the whole family to living hell.

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

Agreed. I hope they are ultimately relieved that this is over, decided and he lives in jail permanently. 30 years of difficulty is enough for them and although I am sure they have deep feelings for him, they are complicated and in time they will see him more objectively. Particularly his sisters.

I believe his unusual relationship with his mother likely led to the confession with her and ultimate plea agreement. I wish they would speak at some point to let us even understand their suffering. JMOO

 

[Melsworld]

I hear you on this.

Mostly I want to feel convinced that the person who reportedly entered a bedroom in Pullman in October 2021 with a knife was not BK, so as not to buy into something far-fetched. In terms of height and race, the physical description of that earlier intruder was wildly off. Someone in the neighborhood was suspected. And BK was tucked into his bed across the country in PA (or roaming the house) at the time, one presumes.

BUT. Witness descriptions can be super, or they can be inaccurate to the point that they fall somewhere between being unhelpful and being unintentionally misleading. IMO

Being awakened perhaps seconds before the earlier 2021 encounter....feeling sudden shock and alarm, and maybe dealing with poor lighting---that 2021 victim's description might not have been on the money.

Dylan had circumstances not greatly unlike those to contend with but she was at least standing upright for her sighting, where it might be easier to judge height against one's own, and she may have been awake a little longer.

The same weekend this 2021 home invasion incident took place in Pullman, WSU's Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology hosted their event for prospective and incoming students. That is curious.

No, there is no record of BK having attended that event, but he could have known about it. Idle googling provides no end of information, as we know. Far-fetched, but he could have even cyber-stalked that intended 2021 victim. He didn't register at the event but that doesn't mean he wasn't in Pullman.

He could have told his parents that he needed to fly to WA at that particular time for reasons relating to his future. There's this event, Mom and Dad. His parents might not have required proof of attendance to believe that he attended sessions. A trip would have been expensive, but for a son trying to have a future after winning struggles with issues like weight and drug addiction? Pull out all the stops, we'll find a way.

I wish I could see some type of undeniable confirmation that puts BK far away from Pullman on that particular night in October 2021.

Sorry, totally off topic but I love your name!!! Me too.

 

[whatzthebuzz]

I guess
his parents have been worried sick about him all his life.
Just to mention
father reporting him to Police for stealing phone from sister, his heroin addiction, strange obsessive behaviour, etc.

But, of course,
this case was the final, deadly blow.
Completely shattering them,
destroying any chance of peaceful retirement.
Sentencing the whole family to living hell.

JMO

Has it ever been discussed here if his parents were "helicopter parents"? Particularly after his drug abuse issues, but probably before then also since it sounds like there were issues with his peers? I wondered that after hearing his father drove out to the school with him, and then flew out to drive back with him.

JMO

 

[Chloegirl]

Has it ever been discussed here if his parents were "helicopter parents"? Particularly after his drug abuse issues, but probably before then also since it sounds like there were issues with his peers? I wondered that after hearing his father drove out to the school with him, and then flew out to drive back with him.

JMO

I have not seen that discussed here. I wondered quite the opposite, if they thought he was just fine because he was perceived to have complied, changed, got off drugs, morphed, etc.

Anybody who goes running in the middle of the night with friends on some occasions would probably not be being checked on after bedtime. That does not sound like a helicopter parent. I think folks with ASD are sometimes hard to read and they may have misread the tea leaves, despite efforts to do the opposite. I think they would not be hard enough on him and not the other way around. JMOO

 

[cottonweaver]

Has it ever been discussed here if his parents were "helicopter parents"? Particularly after his drug abuse issues, but probably before then also since it sounds like there were issues with his peers? I wondered that after hearing his father drove out to the school with him, and then flew out to drive back with him.

JMO

Try the Howard Blum book. There are audio versions on Youtube. I don't think Blum had a direct family source, maybe he got a cousin or whatever.
I don't recall hearing helicoptering or overly protective. Certainly supportive but did get the impression that the mother was more understanding of his 10+? years of troubled childhood. I dont know many parents who call the cops on their own kid so not sure ' helicoptering' really fits

Apparently... Mom was a TA for kids with learning difficulties. Blum gives the reader the impression that by 2020-22, the parents felt he was turning a corner at last and were cautiously hopeful
As other websleuthers have said above - having BK as a son sounded like hell TBH - a source of constant worry
Blum also mentions BK's ability to mask and fact that age 28 he'd never lived independently ( But then, lots of kids do that these days)

 

[whatzthebuzz]

I have not seen that discussed here. I wondered quite the opposite, if they thought he was just fine because he was perceived to have complied, changed, got off drugs, morphed, etc.

Anybody who goes running in the middle of the night with friends on some occasions would probably not be being checked on after bedtime. That does not sound like a helicopter parent. I think folks with ASD are sometimes hard to read and they may have misread the tea leaves, despite efforts to do the opposite. I think they would not be hard enough on him and not the other way around. JMOO

That does make more sense.

Try the Howard Blum book. There are audio versions on Youtube. I don't think Blum had a direct family source, maybe he got a cousin or whatever.
I don't recall hearing helicoptering or overly protective. Certainly supportive but did get the impression that the mother was more understanding of his 10+? years of troubled childhood. I dont know many parents who call the cops on their own kid so not sure ' helicoptering' really fits

Apparently... Mom was a TA for kids with learning difficulties. Blum gives the reader the impression that by 2020-22, the parents felt he was turning a corner at last and were cautiously hopeful
As other websleuthers have said above - having BK as a son sounded like hell TBH.
Blum also mentions BK's ability to mask and fact that age 28 he'd never lived independently ( But then, lots of kids do that these days)

Will have to look for a copy of the book! Thank you!

I really feel for his parents. I can't begin to comprehend what they're going through, their thoughts when they realized the horrible thing he had done.

 

[Boxer]

I'm not putting much weight one way or another on his phone having registered The Mad Greek's wifi without knowing the duration for a few reasons:

1) There was outdoor seating for the Mad Greek as well as neighboring businesses out front. Chances are good that the Mad Greek's wifi was set up to reach those seats out front. I've been in situations like that where I was seated outside at one restaurant, and my phone connected to the wifi for the restaurant next door. According to google, there is/was a taphouse+kitchen on one side of Mad Greek and a cafe on the other, which all appear to have outdoor seating.

2) There is street parking available in front of the Mad Greek. Ditto for wifi meant to reach outdoor seating to also being reached from a car parked in front...with a person who may or may not have been going to that business or one on the other side of the street.

All things that the defense would have said. And trust me, I believe BK is guilty 100%. But I'm not hung up one way or another on him having to have actually gone into or bought food from the Mad Greek. There's outdoor tables, Maddie and Xana would have been going out to serve customers there. Easy enough to catch sight of one of them if you were at any business nearby.

MOO
The Cafe Artista and the Tap Kitchen on either side of the Greek have outdoor seating that would still have visual line to the waitresses serving at the Greek, its just the next set of tables over.
The Tap Kitchen serves craft beer and meat heavy bar food like wings, steak skewers and bacon wrapped things.
MOO the Mad Greek is just cooler, more of a destination than the adjacent businesses.

Its true possibly driving by could possibly have caught a wifi handshake, though most business now don't want their neighbors customers and try to minimize their wifi range, but MOO if he was on the block other than driving by it was to be at the Mad Greek.

 

[DizzyB]

Agreed. I hope they are ultimately relieved that this is over, decided and he lives in jail permanently. 30 years of difficulty is enough for them and although I am sure they have deep feelings for him, they are complicated and in time they will see him more objectively. Particularly his sisters.

I believe his unusual relationship with his mother likely led to the confession with her and ultimate plea agreement. I wish they would speak at some point to let us even understand their suffering. JMOO

Their last name is ruined. It is interesting that one sister is in his phone as sister-is the other in there at all?

 

[gremlin444]

Agreed. I hope they are ultimately relieved that this is over, decided and he lives in jail permanently. 30 years of difficulty is enough for them and although I am sure they have deep feelings for him, they are complicated and in time they will see him more objectively. Particularly his sisters.

I believe his unusual relationship with his mother likely led to the confession with her and ultimate plea agreement. I wish they would speak at some point to let us even understand their suffering. JMOO

I think there would be an uproar by a large amount of people (not me!) if BK's parents were to speak.

I see a lot of people who think any thought or time given to BK's parents is complete and utter disrespect and harm to the victims and their families. And I believe at least one victim's family would be entirely and explosively negative were the parents to say anything.

They are criticized if they speak by some, they are criticized by others if they don't (not you).

I think all they can actually do is maintain their silence, draw support privately from their friends and family who know the reality of their family's story, and try to heal and keep putting one foot in front of the other.

As parents of a child with drug issues and mental health issues, they likely have already had years of experience of being slightly withdrawn from others--parents of "normal kids" often aren't very supportive when they hear what you are experiencing and you rapidly get disconnected from the usual social groups and school groups when your kid starts to have a high school experience that deviates greatly from their "normal" age peers. People withdraw from you because they don't get it and have no idea how to support you, and you start to preemptively withdraw in certain circumstances because sometimes it's too painful to see constant examples of the kind of life/experiences your kid "should" be having if they were "normal."

And every day for a very long time, they will have to focus on how to protect their privacy and keep their guard up. Because no matter how much attention fades from the case over time, there's always going to be some YTer or person from social media trying to get in touch with/encounter them. Every trip to the grocery store or CVS run involves that worry that today will be the day that someone will recognize you/your name.

Maybe if they could change their last name, move out of PA, and try to be anonymous somewhere else it could be a bit easier....but that is at the sacrifice of whatever in person friend and family support they have built where they live (and I'm sure they want to be close to their daughters)...and a big financial burden at their age.

The sisters are young enough that they can weather adapting and changing their lives more easily, I suspect. But it will never be easy.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I'm not putting much weight one way or another on his phone having registered The Mad Greek's wifi without knowing the duration for a few reasons:

1) There was outdoor seating for the Mad Greek as well as neighboring businesses out front. Chances are good that the Mad Greek's wifi was set up to reach those seats out front. I've been in situations like that where I was seated outside at one restaurant, and my phone connected to the wifi for the restaurant next door. According to google, there is/was a taphouse+kitchen on one side of Mad Greek and a cafe on the other, which all appear to have outdoor seating.

2) There is street parking available in front of the Mad Greek. Ditto for wifi meant to reach outdoor seating to also being reached from a car parked in front...with a person who may or may not have been going to that business or one on the other side of the street.

All things that the defense would have said. And trust me, I believe BK is guilty 100%. But I'm not hung up one way or another on him having to have actually gone into or bought food from the Mad Greek. There's outdoor tables, Maddie and Xana would have been going out to serve customers there. Easy enough to catch sight of one of them if you were at any business nearby.

Plus, they said that his phone LOGGED the wifi. Not logged into. There is a difference. Every time I am near a wifi, if my wifi is on my phone logs/registers that I was close to one I COULD log into. That doesn't mean I ever logged in, just that I could have. And there are some that were not password protected that if I had my wifi on it might auto connect if my phone were set that way (I try to turn mine off when I travel and use data, myself).

 

[schooling]

With the same genius he used to buy his Kbar with a gift card.

He puts never in clever.

JMO

That move definitely ended the whole "it can't be him, he's too smart and knows too much about crime to drive his own car to the scene!" narrative.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Yep caught that too. As if he only had one sister.

Might he have had two entries for Sister? Just knew which was which from phone number?

 

[LinasK]

I'm not putting much weight one way or another on his phone having registered The Mad Greek's wifi without knowing the duration for a few reasons:

1) There was outdoor seating for the Mad Greek as well as neighboring businesses out front. Chances are good that the Mad Greek's wifi was set up to reach those seats out front. I've been in situations like that where I was seated outside at one restaurant, and my phone connected to the wifi for the restaurant next door. According to google, there is/was a taphouse+kitchen on one side of Mad Greek and a cafe on the other, which all appear to have outdoor seating.

2) There is street parking available in front of the Mad Greek. Ditto for wifi meant to reach outdoor seating to also being reached from a car parked in front...with a person who may or may not have been going to that business or one on the other side of the street.

All things that the defense would have said. And trust me, I believe BK is guilty 100%. But I'm not hung up one way or another on him having to have actually gone into or bought food from the Mad Greek. There's outdoor tables, Maddie and Xana would have been going out to serve customers there. Easy enough to catch sight of one of them if you were at any business nearby.

However, there were witnesses who actually saw him in the Mad Greek having Vegan Pizza twice.

 

[cottonweaver]

Make of it what you will but ......

just as a reminder wrt to claims and counterclaims on actual dining at the Mad Greek ( not related to fact that it's been corroborated that BK's phone has ' touched' their wi-fi so he still could have dined there etc)

New York Post & The People Jan 2023 - BK dined at the Mad Greek

MG owner via a later news report
21 Jan 2023 — 'Jackie Fischer, owner of the Mad Creek, slammed a report that claimed Mr Kohberger had eaten at the restaurant twice in the weeks leading up....'

Restaurant where two Idaho murders victims worked denies Bryan Kohberger rumours

Jackie Fischer, owner of the Mad Creek, slammed a report that claimed Mr Kohberger had eaten at the restaurant twice in the weeks leading up to the murders

www.independent.co.uk