GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

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The described phone relationship with his parents, the duration of the calls, what could the topics be? My crystal ball tells me he was continually seeking reassurance from mom and dad....just screams of insecurities in his life
 
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Great deep dive into the Idaho4 investigation, laying out the timeline with more specificity than we've previously had, and debunking some things that many of us thought were probably true.

A small police department can't solve a case like this immediately, but they sure as hell can screw it up. Fortunately, they knew they were overmatched right away, and brought in the big guns.

The house was sealed, and not even Chief Fry was allowed inside until investigators arrived, and a search warrant was approved. People who needed to be interviewed were identified, and the roommates, friends, and family members were quickly brought to the station.

What I found surprising was just how quickly the IGG work started. The DNA results came back on the 20th of November, and after a CODIS upload failed to generate a match, the sample was delivered to Othram two days later.

Investigators had Kohberger's name on December, 19, and began surveillance a day later. He was spotted walking around the neighborhood late at night in dark clothing, but was not seen cleaning his car with bleach, nor was he spotted throwing his trash in his neighbor's garbage cans. When police raided the house, Kohberger attempted to make a break for it, trying to get downstairs to his basement bedroom.

They searched damn near everywhere for the knife, and are convinced that Xana did in fact go upstairs and disrupt Kohberger.

“She certainly did go up the stairs,” Gilbertson said. “Fortunately, that’s what stopped him up there and caused him to screw up and leave the knife sheath, was either hearing or seeing Xana. And then that took his attention away, and he followed her down the stairs to her bedroom.”

 
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When police raided the house, Kohberger attempted to make a break for it, trying to get downstairs to his basement bedroom.
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I know it's not funny, but the idea of making a break for it by running to a basement bedroom is rather laughable. Oh, they won't catch you there, scaredy cat. 🙄


jmopinion
 
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New article from Idaho Statesman


Partial footprint was a dead end-
a partial footprint that police found on the home’s second floor and detailed with a diamond-shaped pattern in the probable cause affidavit, never got them anywhere, he said.

BK purchased a pre-packaged Starbucks frappuccino coffee drink at Albertson's in Clarkston.

During overnight surveillance in the days leading up to his arrest, Kohberger was observed once very late at night walking in dark clothing around his parents’ neighborhood. But reports that law enforcement witnessed him throwing trash away in his neighbor’s garbage were untrue, Gilbertson said. Reports that claimed they saw Kohberger using bleach to clean his car, which he drove back to Pennsylvania with his father, also were false.

Green leafy substance found in a spare room of the PA home was marijuana, the book title we all wondered about is
“Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway,” by Susan Jeffers, a self-help book about techniques for turning anger and indecision into action. Gilbertson didn’t know what had been underlined, but, he said, it remains in police evidence.

And...

During his nearly two and half years in jail awaiting trial, Kohberger had hundreds of mostly video calls that were monitored by police, only with his mother, father and two older sisters outside of those with his attorneys, Gilbertson said. His mother and father were on almost all of the calls, with his sisters also there most of the time, he said. In none of the discussions did the Kohberger family ever talk about the murders with their son and brother, Gilbertson said. Instead, the calls hovered on “completely trivial stuff,” he said, and never broached the issue of whether he killed the four students. “Not one bit,” Gilberston said. “The closest they would ever get is maybe speaking just briefly about the next motion or hearing coming up and … something good’s going to come out of what we have coming up next. Even as they lost motion after motion after motion.”


Great article....some call it infringement of constitutional rights, but I love the fact that genealogy is used as a LE avenue to solve crimes, fascinating, you can run but you can't hide
 
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I know it's not funny, but the idea of making a break for it by running to a basement bedroom is rather laughable. Oh, they won't catch you there, scaredy cat. 🙄


jmopinion
Primitive brain - rodent running for his den.
 
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They searched damn near everywhere for the knife, and are convinced that Xana did in fact go upstairs and disrupt Kohberger.

“She certainly did go up the stairs,” Gilbertson said. “Fortunately, that’s what stopped him up there and caused him to screw up and leave the knife sheath, was either hearing or seeing Xana. And then that took his attention away, and he followed her down the stairs to her bedroom.”
So when D thought she heard Kaylee go upstairs and say "there is someone here", then the one going upstairs (and possibly even the one saying that) could have been Xana?

Probably Xana heard the noise and went to check what was going on? And was then chased to the bedroom?

Breaks my heart. I wonder, if she had stayed in her room, would they have all been killed - including D and B? Or would instead Xana herself been one of the survivors? Horrible all around.
 
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The length of that call would line up ending the call as he was leaving his apartment .... just enough drive time to arrive near the crime scene at 9:12. I think that's what they meant.

I wonder if he told Mother he was leaving.

JMO
Oh wow!
 
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So when D thought she heard Kaylee go upstairs and say "there is someone here", then the one going upstairs (and possibly even the one saying that) could have been Xana?

Probably Xana heard the noise and went to check what was going on? And was then chased to the bedroom?

Breaks my heart. I wonder, if she had stayed in her room, would they have all been killed - including D and B? Or would instead Xana herself been one of the survivors? Horrible all around.
Yes. I’m convinced that was Xana. I also think the “…I’m here to help you” thing was an effort to slow her down.
 
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Yes. I’m convinced that was Xana. I also think the “…I’m here to help you” thing was an effort to slow her down.
I wonder if Xana was bringing the dog upstairs and was shocked by finding him, and he said, "I'm here to help you" get the dog under control - but then the attack on her started.

Idk, doesn't really matter, I guess, but it's such an odd thing to say.

jmopinion
 
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I know it's not funny, but the idea of making a break for it by running to a basement bedroom is rather laughable. Oh, they won't catch you there, scaredy cat. 🙄


jmopinion
Yeah, laughable but not ha ha funny... I wondered from the first reports of this, now confirmed, whether he panicked and ran to the basement to try to squirrel things away if he could that he had left lying around he didn't want to be in plain sight.

Or, if there was a bulkhead door or other way to exit the basement he used to slip outside and stargaze or go for a night run without having to go through the upstairs main part of the house, and he had a bag packed and all, an escape route and kit perhaps.

JMM (just my musings)
 
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I wonder if he told Mother and Father about the "news story" in Idaho. And what he told them and when. Before or after it officially broke. And his demeanor in telling it.

He must have felt so cliché returning to the scene of the crime.

In the end, despite his alleged education, he made all the mistakes criminals make.

I find one small ounce of satisfaction knowing that, for the week leading up to his arrest, the predator was being surveilled by the FBI. Stalked, if you will. Justice was hunting.

JMO
 
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To avoid capture, he runs to the basement --

Hmmmm, did he have an exit plan of his own? Either by his own hand or via the lower level slider?

He wouldn't have made it far on foot.

But he didn't know that.

JMO
 
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We know that the felon went up the stairs and rapidly back down, which is consistent IMO with what DM heard. Not two sets of footfalls.

We know DM yelled upstairs once or twice. Shouted KG's name.

Surely the felon heard that. (And XK -- unless her hearing was obstructed by her air pods and TikTok.) The felon would have realized, even as he was murdering MM and KG that he had a new threat -- the female voice downstairs. He didn't know who it was or what action she would take -- call 911, come upstairs, arm herself, etc -- so he had to act fast -- tearing down the stairs, bumping into the pong table, encountering XK (whether she had or hadn't gone upstairs, had or hadn't heard him or DM) and chase her to her room. I agree with @MassGuy . He said he was there to help in attempt to regain control of the situation. Slow her down. Keep her from screaming. Prevent her from shutting her door/locking him out/calling 911.

And then suddenly he has two threats again. XK and EC. He responds with nothing short of Kbar chaos. Far cry from the micro-expressed aggression of the mannequin in the courtroom.

And a contrast even with what DM witnessed. Mere seconds after slaughtering four victims in rapid succession, he just walks away.

How does anyone get that messed up???????

It's chilling.

JMO
 
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RSBM. This 6:30 line is ridiculous if that is what they said. The identity had not been CONFIRMED until then, maybe, but to say they didn't KNOW is splitting hairs with "we just need this one thing for confirmation but everything else points to this guy and we've been tracking him for weeks". They had to know his identity to even work towards confirmation. He was already on the radar as of 11/25 ( per redacted doc 136). So he was at least a POI and they are certainly going to keep track of a POI. IMO, because LE isn't stupid.
Totally agree except for LE aren't stupid, oftentimes they are pretty stupid
 
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But then there's that discussion with the state trooper (IIRC) that Sonny Boy was in a PhD program.
plus he hadn't received the WSU termination letter when he was driving home with Pops ( The details of that latter are away back on the other thread when we were going through the MPD document dump )

BTW I hope that the media FOIA the full WSU documentation that is referenced by MPD, I think it'll be fascinating
 
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New article from Idaho Statesman


Partial footprint was a dead end-
a partial footprint that police found on the home’s second floor and detailed with a diamond-shaped pattern in the probable cause affidavit, never got them anywhere, he said.

BK purchased a pre-packaged Starbucks frappuccino coffee drink at Albertson's in Clarkston.

During overnight surveillance in the days leading up to his arrest, Kohberger was observed once very late at night walking in dark clothing around his parents’ neighborhood. But reports that law enforcement witnessed him throwing trash away in his neighbor’s garbage were untrue, Gilbertson said. Reports that claimed they saw Kohberger using bleach to clean his car, which he drove back to Pennsylvania with his father, also were false.

Green leafy substance found in a spare room of the PA home was marijuana, the book title we all wondered about is
“Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway,” by Susan Jeffers, a self-help book about techniques for turning anger and indecision into action. Gilbertson didn’t know what had been underlined, but, he said, it remains in police evidence.

And...

During his nearly two and half years in jail awaiting trial, Kohberger had hundreds of mostly video calls that were monitored by police, only with his mother, father and two older sisters outside of those with his attorneys, Gilbertson said. His mother and father were on almost all of the calls, with his sisters also there most of the time, he said. In none of the discussions did the Kohberger family ever talk about the murders with their son and brother, Gilbertson said. Instead, the calls hovered on “completely trivial stuff,” he said, and never broached the issue of whether he killed the four students. “Not one bit,” Gilberston said. “The closest they would ever get is maybe speaking just briefly about the next motion or hearing coming up and … something good’s going to come out of what we have coming up next. Even as they lost motion after motion after motion.”
Great, now they'll tell us it wasn't his white car. This all irks me!
 
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Great deep dive into the Idaho4 investigation, laying out the timeline with more specificity than we've previously had, and debunking some things that many of us thought were probably true.

A small police department can't solve a case like this immediately, but they sure as hell can screw it up. Fortunately, they knew they were overmatched right away, and brought in the big guns.

The house was sealed, and not even Chief Fry was allowed inside until investigators arrived, and a search warrant was approved. People who needed to be interviewed were identified, and the roommates, friends, and family members were quickly brought to the station.

What I found surprising was just how quickly the IGG work started. The DNA results came back on the 20th of November, and after a CODIS upload failed to generate a match, the sample was delivered to Othram two days later.

Investigators had Kohberger's name on December, 19, and began surveillance a day later. He was spotted walking around the neighborhood late at night in dark clothing, but was not seen cleaning his car with bleach, nor was he spotted throwing his trash in his neighbor's garbage cans. When police raided the house, Kohberger attempted to make a break for it, trying to get downstairs to his basement bedroom.

They searched damn near everywhere for the knife, and are convinced that Xana did in fact go upstairs and disrupt Kohberger.

“She certainly did go up the stairs,” Gilbertson said. “Fortunately, that’s what stopped him up there and caused him to screw up and leave the knife sheath, was either hearing or seeing Xana. And then that took his attention away, and he followed her down the stairs to her bedroom.”


This explains allot imo. the knife sheath was always a question really, why leave such a blatant thing behind? answer is suitably occams razor in that he didnt mean to and in a panic hastily left the building and it behind. poor xana i cant imagine the sheer levels of terror.

Hope he rots i really do.
 
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Autistic person here, I have my mother under 'mum' and my siblings under their names, like most people would.

But judging his phone labelling seems all a bit redundant when he murdered four strangers in their home.

I mean, a lot of people do weird things socially and don't kill anyone.

MOO
Autistic spectrum here as well. (Diagnosed when I was 67
and--suddenly--my entire life made sense!) I would have
had my mother under her first name and my father under "Dad".
 
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Green leafy substance found in a spare room of the PA home was marijuana, the book title we all wondered about is
“Feel the Fear and Do It Anyway,” by Susan Jeffers, a self-help book about techniques for turning anger and indecision into action. Gilbertson didn’t know what had been underlined, but, he said, it remains in police evidence.
Yowza. Did he ever do it anyway...
 
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