GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[INfisherman]

Maybe I’m just mean, but I fail to appreciate whatever expertise she allegedly has.

If she’s an expert on noticing the signs of a predator but she didn’t recognize it in BK, then of what value is she beyond the classroom lecture hall?

We ALL could recognize his pathology post-murder. She would have been of enormous value if she’d figured him out PRIOR to the murders.

She thought she was focusing on a diamond, but he was just cubic zirconia. She apparently couldn’t distinguish between the two any more than we could.

IMO of course, but I think her expertise is in authoring books and making money and some fame out of these gruesome tragedies.

Having taught BK is a bonanza for her, I fear.

JMO

Sounds like we have similar thoughts as to what may give us some pause with KR. I’m on the fence with her.

The obvious issue is this instructor had a murderer in front of her & failed to recognize/identify him. Was she that bad or he that good or was he not fully sprouted yet at that time? Is she still the right person to be instructing the future in criminal justice? Maybe her methods need tweaking. I’m not in a position to offer a definitive take on that.

What she has to gain from the convict & how it is ultimately utilized is what concerns me. I’m not so sure it’s 100% for the benefit of others in her field of expertise. Obviously, I don’t know her personally so it’s impossible for me to know if it’s a cash grab or falls more into the realms of completely geeking out of pure interest/compulsion/obsession.

I can say for sure she didn’t have a diamond nor even a cubic zirconia. She simply had a turd & tried to polish it.

MOO

 

[bajaflash]

Actually it is highly accurate. My husband used to work for ATT.

I'm sorry but this is not always the case, and there's plenty of genuine issues with the accuracy and how it's received and interpreted.

 

[INfisherman]

BK’s hair doesn’t look dark brown/black in this picture.

This was discussed back around the time of the plea deal. I offered that his hair is probably a darker tinted blonde but close cropped hair cuts, lighting or hair products may make it appear darker. I was a very light blonde as a kid & my hair got darker as I aged but it’s still blonde. If my hair is wet or has a wet product in it (gel, crew comb or the like) it looks much darker, more brown.

JMO

 

[otto]

Maybe I’m just mean, but I fail to appreciate whatever expertise she allegedly has.

If she’s an expert on noticing the signs of a predator but she didn’t recognize it in BK, then of what value is she beyond the classroom lecture hall?

We ALL could recognize his pathology post-murder. She would have been of enormous value if she’d figured him out PRIOR to the murders.

She thought she was focusing on a diamond, but he was just cubic zirconia. She apparently couldn’t distinguish between the two any more than we could.

IMO of course, but I think her expertise is in authoring books, making money and gaining some fame out of these gruesome tragedies.

Having taught BK is a bonanza for her, I fear.

JMO

Kohberger's professor could not see what students could see when Kohberger was their TA. That's where there is a problem. They knew there was something wrong with him, as did women he met socailly.

We've all met people who are ever so nice to people who are their superior, and rude/condescending towards those who are subordinate. That is quite likely how Kohberger relates to others. He figures out where others are in his pecking order, and treats them based on how much value he perceives they have to him. He charmed his professor, and he offended his students; especially women.

Given his professor's expertise in personality disorders, she should have been aware of that personality defect - the one where he charmed her, but was abusive towards those he deemed inferior. Layman's opinion, but that type of personality comes through in humour as well as other day to day remarks. An expert in the criminal mind should have noticed some of the obvious personality flaws and questioned that in context.

 

[INfisherman]

Kohberger's professor could not see what students could see when Kohberger was their TA. That's where there is a problem. They knew there was something wrong with him, as did women he met socailly.

We've all met people who are ever so nice to people who are their superior, and rude/condescending towards those who are subordinate. That is quite likely how Kohberger relates to others. He figures out where others are in his pecking order, and treats them based on how much value he perceives they have to him. He charmed his professor, and he offended his students; especially women.

Given his professor's expertise in personality disorders, she should have been aware of that personality defect - the one where he charmed her, but was abusive towards those he deemed inferior. Layman's opinion, but that type of personality comes through in humour as well as other day to day remarks. An expert in the criminal mind should have noticed some of the obvious personality flaws and questioned that in context.

His professor may not have spent enough face to face time with him as well. Lots of factors could go into why he slipped through the radar. I feel it’s highly likely a combination of some of what you describe as well as the radar being lower due to the environment (what potential psychopathic murderer is going to come through a criminal justice/forensic training grounds - likely very few).

MOO

 

[LinasK]

I'm sorry but this is not always the case, and there's plenty of genuine issues with the accuracy and how it's received and interpreted.

There's no reason to think it wasn't accurate in this case. If there are 3 towers, they are used to triangulate a signal. If not, the location is determined from a radius of the tower it does hit off of.

 

[Lilibet]

If she’s an expert on noticing the signs of a predator but she didn’t recognize it in BK, then of what value is she beyond the classroom lecture hall?

We ALL could recognize his pathology post-murder. She would have been of enormous value if she’d figured him out PRIOR to the murders.

BBM

I’m not a big fan of KR, but even if she had recognized the signs of a predator in the Killer prior to the murders, what could she have done about it? What could anyone have done? The legal system doesn’t allow for locking someone up because they *might* kill someone. I doubt she could have reported her prediction to LE without violating professional standards. And all LE could have done is keep an eye on him…until he moved away.

My teacher husband once told the mother of one of his fifth grade students that it was likely he’d end up in trouble with the law eventually unless he got help. At that point, he’d done all he could and the rest was up to the parents. We never knew what happened with the kid.

Ironically, the one student who did end up murdering someone was not someone you’d expect…even after he got heavily into drugs.
JMO

 

[bajaflash]

There's no reason to think it wasn't accurate in this case. If there are 3 towers, they are used to triangulate a signal. If not, the location is determined from a radius of the tower it does hit off of.

The triangulating thing is definitely different than what I am referencing. Not sure the rules on posting articles so I simply do not.

 

[Sundog]

Professor's Stmt. One of How Many Students Recco'ed?

Thx @INfisherman for your post.
I've read that one of the murderer's prof's (was it Bolger, or Dr. Ramsland, or ?) affiliated w him in his Masters program said in her many yrs of teaching that he was the only student for whom she gave a positive recco for a Doctoral program.

What is the significance, if any? Does it show he was cream of the crop? Or not?

IF he was the only student completing his CJ Masters who was applying for Doc. programs, then prof was recco'ing 1 of 1, or endorsing 100% of those students seeking to continue edu, and who also asked for her recco.

Not gonna chase DeSales CJ Masters degree numbers to try to prove a point, because I doubt that I could nail figures for students who tried to pursue Doc. programs.

Just saying, imo it's difficult to determine significance of his prof's recco and whether it indicated he was a genius, stellar, or merely above average student.
AFAIK we haven't seen the prof's actual recco.

imo
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Agree, the number of students who would be appying to doctoral programs in criminology from the Master's program at DeSales would be very small. First of all, it's a small program in terms of student enrollment, and also most of the students in these kinds of programs (both at DeSales and elsewhere) are going to go into professonal careers in law enforcement and related fields. Even though rare, I think Professor Bolger was trying to make the point that he was a good student and that he had potential to pursue doctoral studies in the field. He was accepted by WSU, after all, and not only on the recommendation of Professor Bolger. Doctoral programs with teaching assistantship support are competitive, and he was accepted into that program. I do wonder if Dr. Ramsland provided a recommendation for him. That would be interesting to know. A recommendation from Ramsland would get a department's attention.

 

[Arkay]

I’m not a big fan of KR, but even if she had recognized the signs of a predator in the Killer prior to the murders, what could she have done about it? What could anyone have done? The legal system doesn’t allow for locking someone up because they *might* kill someone. I doubt she could have reported her prediction to LE without violating professional standards. And all LE could have done is keep an eye on him…until he moved away.

I hear you and I agree that it would be illegal to arrest someone who has not yet committed a crime.

Nevertheless, this is her self-proclaimed specialty. In her own words, she stated that she “tries to understand what we can see in the constellation of behaviors that will tip us off…”

IMO she holds herself up to be, or yearns to be, a sort of divining rod who can ascertain who is exhibiting behaviors that lead to horrendous acts such as her “smart” student committed.

What is the value of her hopes that there is recognizable behavior that will “tip her off” if not to deploy these skills BEFORE a tragedy occurs?

I don’t know the answer. This is her area of expertise, not mine. But there must be an answer, or why has she devoted her life’s work to this?

Is it all just academic snake oil? When does the accrued knowledge translate into real-world prevention?

To me it seems that she is just ready, willing and able to capitalize on him having been her student.

JMO

 

[LetsSolvIt]

True. However, if the landlord had repaired that sliding glass door lock more than once, and tenants or their friends repeatedly tampered with the lock when they forgot their keys, then the landlord had the right to tell the tenants to fix it and submit the receipt ... and eventually to pay for it themselves.

I think mostly underage and student tenants aren’t particularly wanting the landlord to perform routine inspections or wanting to report things that are broken that would require the property manage to come make repairs so they put up with problem locks, broken appliances, etc. The “responsible” adults might discover evidence of drinking, violations of the lease, unacceptable use / fire code violations (like too many occupants for number of BRs), or other such reportables!

Not saying that was the case at King Street, just something I observed with certain unnamed young people I had reason to visit a few years ago in their off-campus group house! They put up with a 1” gap around the front door, which greatly compromised their heating and AC because they knew the property manager wouldn’t approve of the level of uncleanliness (I.e., so much dirty laundry on floor of one boy’s room it had become a condo for mice) and the contest they were having to see how many liquor bottles they could collect in one semester.

MOO. MOO.

 

[INfisherman]

The triangulating thing is definitely different than what I am referencing. Not sure the rules on posting articles so I simply do not.

Out of curiosity, did you happen to find a case which came up in an AI search & led to an attorney’s website making a claim about a specific case, which mentioned no names? This woman plead to a 15 year manslaughter charge?

 

[bajaflash]

Out of curiosity, did you happen to find a case which came up in an AI search & led to an attorney’s website making a claim about a specific case, which mentioned no names? This woman plead to a 15 year manslaughter charge?

An AI search? I despise AI lol. This is via both the economist and the new Yorker.

Are you insinuating lisa roberts is not an actual person? The court documents are available online.

 

[Dotta]

You may have noticed, very many posters here, have stopped referring to the killer, IODC #163214, by name, or even intials. The victims will never be forgotten here, but many of us are already well on the way to forgetting what's his name. JMO

If I only I could remember this sequence of digits every time I post about himI!!
#163.. ummm...Ooops....
Aaaaargh

Wait!
There are also capital letters??
It seems worse than my bank account password.

I'll stick to BK.
Ufff!!

 

[INfisherman]

An AI search? I despise AI lol. This is via both the economist and the new Yorker.

Are you insinuating lisa roberts is not an actual person? The court documents are available online.

BBM

No, I wasn’t insinuating anything at all. Asking genuine questions, as I mistakenly thought I came across this case to which you were alluding.

But I will check for that name & see why the case was overturned. See if the court’s reason was due to cell tower/GPS positioning accuracy or actually other factors (like ineffective counsel, new evidence, misrepresentation of evidence) because if it is due to questionable positioning data accuracy of any kind, that will likely be the basis for a staggering number of appeals in other cases going forward.

 

[girlhasnoname]

RBBM

Not intending to dispute anything you posted at all, but I bet there are some out there who haven’t yet been caught & their carnage would make our jaws literally drop.

I would say the John Wayne Gacy, Dahmer and Gary Rideway are right up there too.

IMO

 

[bajaflash]

BBM

No, I wasn’t insinuating anything at all. Asking genuine questions, as I mistakenly thought I came across this case to which you were alluding.

But I will check for that name & see why the case was overturned. See if the court’s reason was due to cell tower/GPS positioning accuracy or actually other factors (like ineffective counsel, new evidence, misrepresentation of evidence) because if it is due to questionable positioning data accuracy of any kind, that will likely be the basis for a staggering number of appeals in other cases going forward.

I'm gonna be honest im intrigued by whatever case this is lol

Sorry for my harsh manner but I was unexpectedly talked down to tonight and I may have taken it out in this comment and for that I deeply apologize, I recognize ur picture (squirrels here come up to my door to get their peanut butter bread)

 

[girlhasnoname]

Professor's Stmt. One of How Many Students Recco'ed?

Thx @INfisherman for your post.
I've read that one of the murderer's prof's (was it Bolger, or Dr. Ramsland, or ?) affiliated w him in his Masters program said in her many yrs of teaching that he was the only student for whom she gave a positive recco for a Doctoral program.

<RSBM> Hope this helps @al66pine

It was Bolger who was his Prof. Mentor and she had recommended only one other student to the Doctoral Program in her 10 years.

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A former university professor of the murderer said the accused killer was “one of my best students, ever” — and that the then-master’s candidate was one of only two students she has recommended to a Ph.D. program.

MB an associate professor at DeSales University in Pennsylvania, told the Daily Mail BK, who was arrested in the murders of four University of Idaho students, was a “great writer” and “brilliant student.”

Accused Idaho killer Bryan Kohberger was a ‘brilliant student,’ DeSales professor claims

 

[INfisherman]

I'm gonna be honest im intrigued by whatever case this is lol

Sorry for my harsh manner but I was unexpectedly talked down to tonight and I may have taken it out in this comment and for that I deeply apologize, I recognize ur picture (squirrels here come up to my door to get their peanut butter bread)

It’s all good. It’s easy to read words in a voice which may not be as the author intended. I believe I found the case you’re describing with Ms. Roberts. Please check your messages.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I’m wondering how long it will be before AT starts trying to get him transferred to PA so he can be closer to his family (read mother)?

Does AT still represent #xxx214? Or does he have to get new counsel or does he put in his own transfer request? Just wondering how that would work.

The murderer is convicted and sentenced. AT is finished with her representation of him. I believe the murderer would have to obtain his own legal counsel to petition for a change, which is rare and granted only for very specific reasons..

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JMO