GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[LadyL]

Except... at some point XK must have opened the door. We know she had a flashlight -- so some combination of the door and that flashlight might account for what BF saw/heard. Far as we know the felon never went to that level, only XK. Makes sense to me that BF would have heard her, just wouldn't know what the sights and sounds corresponded to, and that the crimes followed close on the heels of that suggests to me she lumped it all together.

Imagine if XK had survived the felon. So much she could have testified to. Timing. Sounds. What if anything she heard of the felon, Murphy, KG and DM...

JMO

I know we don't know all the small details, so we're speculating based on personal experience about this. I was thinking the DD dropped the bag of food at the door without any contact with Xana. That's pretty common with food delivery, at least where I am. Also, as far as we know, the DDD never mentioned contact with Xana when she mentioned seeing the murderer. But like I said, could be your scenario, could be mine, could be many others, or we could all be wrong.

 

[Tillyjames]

Footage of the DDD arriving, walking around in search of 1122 King, then departing just before 4:01. The felon was in and out of the neighborhood beginning around 3:30. Circling back on his final spproach around 4:06. Iirc another camera picked him up at 4:08...

And he sped away just before 4:21. Fifteen minutes. To park. To approach. To enter. To slaughter four victims. To exit. To mitigate. To drive away.

A swath of incalculable destruction.

All because he wanted to.

May the four victims be remembered for being all the things naturally that the felon could never be.

JMO

It is honestly boggling how close in time the door delivery was and him going into the house is…

 

[Vaderman]

Snipped from the video above, "handprints on a window". Probably not Kohberger's (unless gloved handprints?) but those poor girls were living in a fishbowl for tons of creeps to observe.

 

[gremlin444]

Where did he park? He must have parked close to the house and rushed around to the back slider to avoid the camera picking him up. 4:07: 09 or a couple of seconds later. He was probably inside by 4:08 or earlier.

4:17:32 muffled sounds
4:17:49 barking

4:20:46 Elantra hauls axx out of there from the same direction he left each time.

So he got inside in less than a minute.

The difference in the barking time and passing the camera is approximately 3 minutes give or take.

He may have had 2.5 minutes to get his clothes off at the car and get away.

I'm going to compare against the activity inside times.

It looks like he slaughtered 4 people in 10 minutes.

At the plea hearing in his presentation of what would have been his opening statement, Bill Thompson stated that BK parked in back:

"The defendant's car had entered that area, was leaving, stopped at the intersection of King and Queen Road, did a U-turn, and the state's evidence would show that defendant's car came back and parked behind and above the 1122 King Road residence."

There is only one place that can truly be defined, IMHO, as behind and above--that part of the next door apartment building's lot that goes behind 1122.

It could be stretched to mean it parked in the top two or three spots on that road that goes between that apartment building and 1122 that technically put it behind and above the 1122 property. Personally, given Thompson's precision of language usage throughout, I think if the evidence showed that BK parked on there on that road, that he would have specified that.

 

[AuDHD]

At the moment, a motive for the attack has not been detailed and a gag order prevents many involved in the case from speaking publicly, NBC News reported. However, the unsealed documents provided some insight into their initial arguments.

Kohberger's attorneys argued in a motion obtained by E! News to strike the death penalty that Kohberger—who initially faced death penalty if found guilty on all counts—has autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and that executing him would violate the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on "cruel and unusual punishment."

His defense argued that Kohbereger "displays extremely rigid thinking, perseverates on specific topics, processes information on a piecemeal basis, struggles to plan ahead, and demonstrates little insight into his own behaviors and emotions."

"Due to his ASD, Mr. Kohberger simply cannot comport himself in a manner that aligns with societal expectations of normalcy," the motion said. "This creates an unconscionable risk that he will be executed because of his disability rather than his culpability."

Idaho Murders: Kaylee Goncalves’ Family “Worried” Crime Scene Photos Will Leak

Steve Goncalves, whose daughter Kaylee Goncalves was one of Bryan Kohberger’s victims in the 2022 University of Idaho murders, expressed his opposition to the release of photos from the crime scene.

www.eonline.com

This is just my opinion. Like the defendant, my kid & I are diagnosed autistic ‘level 1’ meaning we have ‘low support needs.’
And I’m getting so tired of seeing this used as a defense! It’s infantilizing. Like other neurological differences, yes, it can be debilitating at times. But the cruel & unusual part should only come into play if a defendant also has intellectual disability or otherwise cannot understand why they are receiving the punishment.
That’s what the prosecution argued & luckily the judge agreed (according to the associated press):

Prosecutors argued that under U.S. Supreme Court precedent, the only mental disability that precludes imposition of the death penalty is an intellectual disability — and Kohberger’s diagnosis was of mild autism “without accompanying intellectual ... impairment.”

The judge agreed.

 

[Megnut]

Our own @Tealgrove asked the question on 11/16/2022, whether he might have left the sheath behind. Brilliant.

Post in thread 'ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022' ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

 

[Chloegirl]

I understand 200 crime scene photos have been released. Likely not the worst of the worst but wow, per KTVB7. I am assuming they are of the scene not the people. JMOO

Newly obtained records show Moscow murder scene

7 Investigates received photographic evidence collected by police the day Bryan Kohberger murdered four University of Idaho students.

www.ktvb.com

 

[cottonweaver]

MODS I hope this is OK since my post is to help debunk something in the Peacock special. The claim that was made on the special that no one (hyperbole or not) was talking about the knife or sheath. And that Pappa Rodger was the first when LE hadn't released that information.

I already easily debunked the Kabar thing via the reporting a full 14 days before Pappa Rodger post. Even TMZ reported on the Kabar on 11/17.

Regarding the sheath. Last year I did a DEEP dive into Pappa Rodgers. Spent a lot of time attempting to debunk this very issue often cited as proof. Here's a random link from that file....on 11/20/2022 via Reddit....



That's 10 days before the post Pappa Rodger gets credit for 'knowing something only the killer could know'. Even the FBI agent Jennifer gave him credit (I believe she's since deleted that post). I wish I labeled my links but there are posts from as early as 11/15 referencing speculation about a sheath.

Unforunately I have no mainstream reporting to support the drawing. But with a little effort the original post from 2013 can be easily found on archive.org

NBC should be ashamed of themselves

ALL MOO

Also , Angela Palermo from Idaho Statesman scooped the first public revelation that cops had identified a Ka-bar and that report was discussed on WS at the time. It was only a few days after the murders that she reported that, she'd gone round all of the local hardware shops before many of the out of town news channels got to Moscow.

 

[MassGuy]

MODS I hope this is OK since my post is to help debunk something in the Peacock special. The claim that was made on the special that no one (hyperbole or not) was talking about the knife or sheath. And that Pappa Rodger was the first when LE hadn't released that information.

I already easily debunked the Kabar thing via the reporting a full 14 days before Pappa Rodger post. Even TMZ reported on the Kabar on 11/17.

Regarding the sheath. Last year I did a DEEP dive into Pappa Rodgers. Spent a lot of time attempting to debunk this very issue often cited as proof. Here's a random link from that file....on 11/20/2022 via Reddit....



That's 10 days before the post Pappa Rodger gets credit for 'knowing something only the killer could know'. Even the FBI agent Jennifer gave him credit (I believe she's since deleted that post). I wish I labeled my links but there are posts from as early as 11/15 referencing speculation about a sheath.

Unforunately I have no mainstream reporting to support the drawing. But with a little effort the original post from 2013 can be easily found on archive.org

NBC should be ashamed of themselves

ALL MOO

@Tealgrove had it on the 16th.

Just good solid logic, two weeks before Pappa mentioned it.

Post in thread 'ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022'
ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

 

[10ofRods]

I still can't understand how he did not leave bloody prints after he left the last room he entered. XK's room.

He may have left a couple of them, but they ended short of BF's room, which caused the prosecution and police some concern. They wanted to show that he continued onward past her room (as she had said), rather than let that witness be called wrong by missing (non-bloody) foot prints.

So they focused on the latent prints as a part of the prosecutorial narrative. The evidence of the other footprints may be only in pictures (I haven't seen them yet - as anyone?) and were not deemed pertinent in leading up to the trial.

For there to be latent prints, there had to be less latent prints at some point (the initial steps after stepping in blood). If the place was carpeted, though, just a few steps and the bloody prints would be nearly invisible.

IMO

 

[gremlin444]

**I think the first pictures in that video are of Xana's room/bed--the blurred areas correspond with the diagonal position that the released documents say Ethan was found in. Not to mention there was no room at the foot of Maddie's bed for the black item that the box fan is on top of.

**At 36 seconds, there is a photo straight out the back of the sliding door where you can see fairly largish footprints leading away. Foot prints are mentioned in at least twice

doc 1 "trail of foot steps head away from the slider then turn right, around a stump, in the back yard and lead toward the front of the house"

(this pic gives you an overhead view for reference...the yellow caution tape is tied around the stump), and this pic help you see why most people would go around the stump before heading toward the front--to avoid having to walk down a slope covered in large loose landscaping rocks)

doc 4 "I noticed there were a few foot prints that left toward the west of the back yard. This portion of the back yard is connected to two other residences,1118 King Rd and 1126 King Rd, both directly to the west. The foot prints appear to lead west toward King Rd. between the residences, but I was unable to see where the foot prints went after the yards connected due to the amount of rock landscaping. I also was unable to discern how old these prints were. There had not been recent snow fall."

the 2nd photo linked above shows that while there was a chain link fence on the west side (Xana's side) of their property, it only extended from the back of the 1122 property to about half way down the side of the house

Given how many people went in and out of that backdoor and how my male friends and Ethan were in and out, it's not surprising that there were prints

**The photo we see in the video at 48 seconds is Maddie's room. You can really see how little floor space there was in there, esp as you come through the door. Those are Maddie's boots that she wore in the last group photo and that you can also see in the Grub Truck video.

**The handprints at 56 seconds were referenced in document doc 1--"I observed a set of small handprints on the window to the east of the slider. The screen to this window appeared damaged and was laying on the ground." They are on the kitchen window that is between the slider and DM's room. Again, with so many people going to parties there both inside and on the patio (and the low likelihood of those windows getting washed ever), can't really put much significance on them.

 

[Megnut]

He may have left a couple of them, but they ended short of BF's room, which caused the prosecution and police some concern. They wanted to show that he continued onward past her room (as she had said), rather than let that witness be called wrong by missing (non-bloody) foot prints.

So they focused on the latent prints as a part of the prosecutorial narrative. The evidence of the other footprints may be only in pictures (I haven't seen them yet - as anyone?) and were not deemed pertinent in leading up to the trial.

For there to be latent prints, there had to be less latent prints at some point (the initial steps after stepping in blood). If the place was carpeted, though, just a few steps and the bloody prints would be nearly invisible.

IMO

Per the newscast above, both rooms had wood floors. No visible blood in either room, save a dot or two on doors.

Beds probably absorbed most of the blood.

Really sad to see very typical college rooms.

They were ambushed.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

MODS I hope this is OK since my post is to help debunk something in the Peacock special. The claim that was made on the special that no one (hyperbole or not) was talking about the knife or sheath. And that Pappa Rodger was the first when LE hadn't released that information.

I already easily debunked the Kabar thing via the reporting a full 14 days before Pappa Rodger post. Even TMZ reported on the Kabar on 11/17.

Regarding the sheath. Last year I did a DEEP dive into Pappa Rodgers. Spent a lot of time attempting to debunk this very issue often cited as proof. Here's a random link from that file....on 11/20/2022 via Reddit....



That's 10 days before the post Pappa Rodger gets credit for 'knowing something only the killer could know'. Even the FBI agent Jennifer gave him credit (I believe she's since deleted that post). I wish I labeled my links but there are posts from as early as 11/15 referencing speculation about a sheath.

Unforunately I have no mainstream reporting to support the drawing. But with a little effort the original post from 2013 can be easily found on archive.org

NBC should be ashamed of themselves

ALL MOO

We actually had a poster here, @Tealgrove, who first mentioned the possibility of sheath perhaps being left behind, on this forum, on Nov 16, 2022, and I am reasonably certain that our respected fellow poster is neither Pappa Rodger or BK.!

Post in thread 'ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022'

Nov 16, 2022

Those knives are meant for this specific purpose, and are incredibly resilient. For that reason, I highly doubt it broke. It's not like something you'd find in a kitchen.

I just googled these knives and I came here to say that type of knife can do some serious damage.

Whoever this was, came prepared to kill. I don’t think this was random. There is a reason that these murders happened to these people.

Some may have been collateral damage while 1 was the primary target.

I wonder if the killer had a sheath for the knife? Could it have been unknowingly left behind in the...

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ETA: I see my friend @MassGuy has already noted this, as did my friend, @Megnut.

 

[Tealgrove]

Hold on… I am not Pappa Rodger.

Before the autopsies were done, LE was looking for anyone who bought a k-bar knife.

They knew that was the weapon.

K-bars come with a sheath. I knew they had the sheath.

And there you go!

 

[Vaderman]

One thing I noticed after watching and re-watching the released security footage:

When BK makes his final pass, just before he does his weird three point turns and finally parks, someone in the house directly across from the porch cam turns off the first story lights (~4:58 in the video playback; 4:05am according to the timestamp).

I wonder if that was a mere coincidence or if someone noticed the car returning and flicked off the lights to peep out the window to see what was going on.

Link

 

[gremlin444]

Per the newscast above, both rooms had wood floors. No visible blood in either room, save a dot or two on doors.

Beds probably absorbed most of the blood.

Really sad to see very typical college rooms.

They were ambushed.

JMO

Um...

Well, you see, once I put the video on my big computer monitor and at 1080 p....you see that in addition to the diagonal blurring across X's bed and up the wall (no, Ethan is not there, it's likely to blur the blood on the bed), either the TV station (more likely) or LE then blurred the entire photo slightly.....and since your eye is drawn to the bed and the wall...it takes awhile or someone else pointing it out to see that there is quite a bit of blood on the floor next to the head of Xana's bed....between it and in between the bed and the white bedside table (and also on the base of it). In the more zoomed out shots of X's room (like around 30 seconds), you can see more blood in the whole area next to the bed. In that blurred blood, I also see shapes that look like footprints to me.

Additionally, in M's room, there are small drips of blood on the floor at the foot of the bed, possibly drips off the knife or him as he walked out of the room.

The worst in X's room will be over around her on the floor (not visible in the picture) and Maddie's bed and wall next to and above the head of it.

 

[Arkay]

Hold on… I am not Pappa Rodger.

Before the autopsies were done, LE was looking for anyone who bought a k-bar knife.

They knew that was the weapon.

K-bars come with a sheath. I knew they had the sheath.

And there you go!

@Tealgrove

I’m someone who knows nothing about weapon-caliber knives, and who’d never heard about a “K-Bar” knife until this case.

IMO, even if you are familiar with this kind of knife and thought the sheath might be obvious, I think it was a brilliant deduction on your part.

I’m only accustomed to a kitchen knife and wouldn’t have thought about a wayward sheath.

I think you deserve applause for your early hypothesis!

 

[NottaYutz]

And... you're not going to share a link to the watchable video? Do we need to bribe you with donuts or something? lol

It was the link that was provided. I just had to remove "Read only" from a program I had running in the background.

 

[LadyL]

maybe this has already been covered here but
one thing I noticed is that they said in the video that the DDD did not see the murderer
didn't she say in her police interview that she did see him because he was parked right beside her?

 

[INfisherman]

Happy first week of August in prison, convict. Only 50 or 60 left to go!