GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[IzzyBlanche]

Halfway joking, I am convinced he has episodes of split personality disorder. He seems to switch back and forth between different approaches entirely. Maddening. JMOO

Off the top of my head, stemming from a lot of reading, psychopaths are experts at manipulating people, and a large part of manipulating people is convincing them that you are what they want you to be.

Which would likely mean having a different persona for each one.

JMO.

 

[Sor Juana]

The relationship between psychopathy and autism

Some people mix up autism (ASD) and psychopathy because both can involve social difficulties. But deep down, they’re very different. People with autism might find it hard to read others or express emotions, but they usually care a lot and don’t want to hurt anyone. Those with psychopathic traits, on the other hand, can understand what others feel, but they don’t feel it themselves and may act in selfish or harmful ways. So even if they seem similar on the outside, their reasons for acting that way are totally different. It’s rare for someone to have both. A 2024 study in Frontiers in Psychiatry explains that the emotional differences between autism and psychopathy are clear, and they don’t usually overlap.

 

[iamshadow21]

Off the top of my head, stemming from a lot of reading, psychopaths are experts at manipulating people, and a large part of manipulating people is convincing them that you are what they want you to be.

Which would likely mean having a different persona for each one.

JMO.

Exactly.

As someone with a dissociative disorder, it's nothing like.

Someone like BK is trying out different approaches to find the right one to manipulate a person in that situation. Like trying a bunch of keys in a lock, but it's calculated by a singular mind, with intent to deceive and control.

Someone with a dissociative disorder might be responding to a situation or a trigger, but it's not with that kind of malicious intent. It's a self protective response, often involuntary, which often involves discontinuity of memory. A lot of guessing the best reaction, a lot of winging it, a lot of hoping that you aren't messing up your life or anyone else's. It's 90% 'who is this vaguely familiar person talking to me in the supermarket?', 'i have no memory of this place', 'i have no memory of this thing in my house I must have bought', and 'i have no memory of this thing you said I did that doesn't sound like something I'd do but I have no choice but to accept your word that I did'. The other 10% is trying to understand how people who don't dissociate experience life in a continuous line without holes you could drive a bus through.

MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Off the top of my head, stemming from a lot of reading, psychopaths are experts at manipulating people, and a large part of manipulating people is convincing them that you are what they want you to be.

Which would likely mean having a different persona for each one.

JMO.

Exactly.

As someone with a dissociative disorder, it's nothing like.

Someone like BK is trying out different approaches to find the right one to manipulate a person in that situation. Like trying a bunch of keys in a lock, but it's calculated by a singular mind, with intent to deceive and control.

Someone with a dissociative disorder might be responding to a situation or a trigger, but it's not with that kind of malicious intent. It's a self protective response, often involuntary, which often involves discontinuity of memory. A lot of guessing the best reaction, a lot of winging it, a lot of hoping that you aren't messing up your life or anyone else's. It's 90% 'who is this vaguely familiar person talking to me in the supermarket?', 'i have no memory of this place', 'i have no memory of this thing in my house I must have bought', and 'i have no memory of this thing you said I did that doesn't sound like something I'd do but I have no choice but to accept your word that I did'. The other 10% is trying to understand how people who don't dissociate experience life in a continuous line without holes you could drive a bus through.

MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

Has anybody on WS tracked down an ISP document link yet? I don't intend to trawl through all of them as I did with the MPD document dumps but there are already some real nuggets in the ones that have been shared across podcasters and on reporters' channels. ( The latter said that LE did hundreds of hours of interviews with WSU staff and students)

An example - Sept - Oct WSU student told LE that somebody broke in her room and took underwear and perfume.

 

[cottonweaver]

Has anybody on WS tracked down an ISP document link yet? I don't intend to trawl through all of them as I did with the MPD document dumps but there are already some real nuggets in the ones that have been shared across podcasters and on reporters' channels. ( The latter said that LE did hundreds of hours of interviews with WSU staff and students)

An example - Sept - Oct WSU student told LE that somebody broke in her room and took underwear and perfume.

 

[Kemug]

I wonder what BK and his mother talk about for hours and hours? Perhaps she reads to him? Poor lady.

 

[Kemug]

I wonder what BK and his mother talk about for hours and hours? Perhaps she reads to him? Poor lady.

 

[AngTxGal]

Has anybody on WS tracked down an ISP document link yet? I don't intend to trawl through all of them as I did with the MPD document dumps but there are already some real nuggets in the ones that have been shared across podcasters and on reporters' channels. ( The latter said that LE did hundreds of hours of interviews with WSU staff and students)

An example - Sept - Oct WSU student told LE that somebody broke in her room and took underwear and perfume.


View attachment 608792

The problem with these issues on college campuses…
- having room, car, apartment, broken into
- having personal belongings stolen from self, car, room, apartment
- being a victim of stalking on campus
- being a victim of sexual assault, from groping -> Grape
- being robbed, purse snatch
- being roofied at an on campus event

Is they often are not treated as a crime warranting attention
- often go unreported- Most female students assume nothing will be done.
- ‘handled internally’- Schools don’t want to panic others or ruin reputations.

Common issues aren’t typically committed by a loner incel, who has other issues.

And they didn’t amount to murder, so didn’t get a lot of attention.
And few campuses have acted as if those crimes are signs of larger crimes.

So they continue regularly

IMO

 

[AngTxGal]

Has anybody on WS tracked down an ISP document link yet? I don't intend to trawl through all of them as I did with the MPD document dumps but there are already some real nuggets in the ones that have been shared across podcasters and on reporters' channels. ( The latter said that LE did hundreds of hours of interviews with WSU staff and students)

An example - Sept - Oct WSU student told LE that somebody broke in her room and took underwear and perfume.


View attachment 608792

The problem with these issues on college campuses…
- having room, car, apartment, broken into
- having personal belongings stolen from self, car, room, apartment
- being a victim of stalking on campus
- being a victim of sexual assault, from groping -> Grape
- being robbed, purse snatch
- being roofied at an on campus event

Is they often are not treated as a crime warranting attention
- often go unreported- Most female students assume nothing will be done.
- ‘handled internally’- Schools don’t want to panic others or ruin reputations.

Common issues aren’t typically committed by a loner incel, who has other issues.

And they didn’t amount to murder, so didn’t get a lot of attention.
And few campuses have acted as if those crimes are signs of larger crimes.

So they continue regularly

IMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Off the top of my head, stemming from a lot of reading, psychopaths are experts at manipulating people, and a large part of manipulating people is convincing them that you are what they want you to be.

Which would likely mean having a different persona for each one.

JMO.

Yes, this. I was just reminded watching the show "Sneaky Pete" that the term "con" is actually shorthand for "confidence scheme".

So if he was/became expert at manipulating people and convincing them he was what they wanted him to be, he was a con artist, who can change hats or personas in the blink of an eye. IMO.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Off the top of my head, stemming from a lot of reading, psychopaths are experts at manipulating people, and a large part of manipulating people is convincing them that you are what they want you to be.

Which would likely mean having a different persona for each one.

JMO.

Yes, this. I was just reminded watching the show "Sneaky Pete" that the term "con" is actually shorthand for "confidence scheme".

So if he was/became expert at manipulating people and convincing them he was what they wanted him to be, he was a con artist, who can change hats or personas in the blink of an eye. IMO.

 

[indicolite22]

Dr. Gary Brucato was interviewed (at 31 min in the video). He speculates on BK and Rolling modeling their crimes on Ted Bundy's, with a similar motive (the latter two were necrophiliacs and BK had fantasies about sleeping/incapacitated women). According to GB, ka-bar knife is a weapon of war and BK saw himself as a warrior against the entire female sex. The panel agrees that BK will give an interview in the future, but won't tell the truth (just his version of it).

 

[indicolite22]

Dr. Gary Brucato was interviewed (at 31 min in the video). He speculates on BK and Rolling modeling their crimes on Ted Bundy's, with a similar motive (the latter two were necrophiliacs and BK had fantasies about sleeping/incapacitated women). According to GB, ka-bar knife is a weapon of war and BK saw himself as a warrior against the entire female sex. The panel agrees that BK will give an interview in the future, but won't tell the truth (just his version of it).

 

[Dotta]

Re manipulating mentioned above

I don't see him this way.

People were creeped by him.
Students complained.
Professors wanted to get rid of him.
He didn't have any friends nor his own social circle.
He was a proverbial loner.

So what kind of manipulation are we talking about?

Manipulative people are usually charming and popular.
With wide social circle.
Surrounded by others
(who are not conscious of being manipulated).

He was alone.

His only meaningful contact is with Mother.
He doesn't need to manipulate her.
She loves him as mothers do.
And worries about him.
And tries to help him as best as she can.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

Re manipulating mentioned above

I don't see him this way.

People were creeped by him.
Students complained.
Professors wanted to get rid of him.
He didn't have any friends nor his own social circle.
He was a proverbial loner.

So what kind of manipulation are we talking about?

Manipulative people are usually charming and popular.
With wide social circle.
Surrounded by others
(who are not conscious of being manipulated).

He was alone.

His only meaningful contact is with Mother.
He doesn't need to manipulate her.
She loves him as mothers do.
And worries about him.
And tries to help him as best as she can.

JMO

 

[303gmf]

The people having lengthy conversations with xxx214 were getting something out of it. These are symbiotic relationships, IMHO — codependency. Not unusual with history of addiction. I’m not a professional in this field, so OMO.

Read “Dance of Anger,” by Harriet Lerner, PhD.

I remember when Harriet’s book came out, having a relook, appreciate the memory jog

 

[303gmf]

The people having lengthy conversations with xxx214 were getting something out of it. These are symbiotic relationships, IMHO — codependency. Not unusual with history of addiction. I’m not a professional in this field, so OMO.

Read “Dance of Anger,” by Harriet Lerner, PhD.

I remember when Harriet’s book came out, having a relook, appreciate the memory jog

 

[303gmf]

I wonder what BK and his mother talk about for hours and hours? Perhaps she reads to him? Poor lady.

The time difference for her as well! 5am calls then bedtime?
Hope this poor mother could nap during the day

 

[303gmf]

I wonder what BK and his mother talk about for hours and hours? Perhaps she reads to him? Poor lady.

The time difference for her as well! 5am calls then bedtime?
Hope this poor mother could nap during the day