GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[ChatteringBirds]

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This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Probable Cause Affidavit

Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Department Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Media Guide to the Idaho Courts

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: [email protected]
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Media Thread/No Discussion
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Probable Cause Affidavit

Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Department Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Media Guide to the Idaho Courts

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: [email protected]
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Media Thread/No Discussion
Media Thread/No Discussion #2

Probable Cause Affidavit

Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Department Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Media Guide to the Idaho Courts

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: [email protected]
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[arielilane]

Brian Entin talks about BK interview that happen with police. He’s got the full transcript and some new details from when he was in PA. I thought this part was interesting and how Brian E was able to enter BK’s parents home located in a PA gated community. Posting for those interested.

Also, this may have already been posted, so for those who may have missed it.


Here is what I know about threats made to Kaylee Goncalves' family. Also - details on Bryan Kohberger's police interview and my experience when I went to his house. And - interview with his first public defender.
Brian Entin Investigates podcast here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949669782439002555

 

[Sillybilly]

Please continue discussion here.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949849593119719718

 

[10ofRods]

Bringing over from last thread, may be interesting to some:

BK failed as a TA but what grades did he receive in the only PhD semester?

It's not clear he passed his classes. There's a timeline somewhere, way back on an older thread. He was in the altercation with Prof Snyder on or about September 23. Prof Snyder was also his prof for one or more of his doctoral courses.

Then, he was emailed on October 21 that he was not meeting expectations as a TA.

At some point, Prof Snyder addresses the concerns of the women in his classes about his classroom behavior.

On November 2, Prof Snyder meets with him in person to tell him he's being put on a behavioral plan. The usual implication of such a plan is that if the desired behaviors are not met, the student is expelled.

On November 13, BK murders four undergrad students at U of I. That's 11 days into the "behavioral plan."

On December 7, BK again meets with Prof S about his behavior. Presumably, it's all the behavioral points, including the in-classroom behavior.

On December 9, BK loses his temper again with Prof S and they have another "altercation."

Prof S is continually documenting all of this with the University.

All of this results in BK being fired from the TA position (his only source of financial support and of reduced tuition) on December 19.

It's not clear at which point the expulsion process was concluded, but IIRC, it went to the Board of Trustees for rubber stamping in mid-January.

Since it is typical for a student to be barred from attending class at some point in the expulsion process (usually after the Dean has accepted the formal paperwork from the professor and chair), they cannot get a grade as they are no longer in attendance. I can imagine that Prof S might have given incompletes, but why he'd do that while actively working to expel Kohberger, I don't know. Perhaps local policy said he had to enter some sort of grade for BK, but I doubt BK got very good grades in this context.

I'd be very surprised if BK turned in his academic papers that semester.

Finals were over around the end of the second week in December.

The below link has the dates, same dates as in a NYT article timeline, but that NYT article is behind a paywall for me.

Bryan Kohberger was fired from WSU teaching job days before Idaho murders arrest​

His attitude towards women was cited as a key concern, with the criminal justice student allegedly having a ‘sexist attitude towards females he interacted with at the school’

www.the-independent.com

 

[nao]

Moo...sexist attitude? In what way? Just curious...moo

 

[Warwick7]

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[Warwick7]

Posted 45 minutes ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949887691837100278

 

[Warwick7]

Moo...sexist attitude? In what way? Just curious...moo

He was grading female students harsher than men.

He often made chauvinistic and condescending remarks toward women. Etc.....

Sources: Bryan Kohberger made sexist remarks toward female colleagues https://share.google/jJkRqWecQtBfty5NC

 

[Sundog]

Posted 45 minutes ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949887691837100278

Just attorneys speculating, but it would be the usual advice that an attorney would give to a client in this kind of situation. I do suspect, however, that BK ultimately made that decision on his own, that he had no intention of speaking at the sentencing hearing.

 

[SteveP]

Posted 45 minutes ago.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949887691837100278

We can add Brian Entin to the list of people who claim that 163214's father was not in the courtroom for the sentencing hearing. Entin has been to every hearing of this case, I believe, and he certainly would have recognized the dad if he had been there. I think the lone reporter that claimed he was there was mistaken. I think the sister was perhaps there to support her mother, because her father chose not to go, for whatever reason.

I do hope that all of the killer's family members can begin the slow process of healing, now that he has been sentenced and taken to prison. They, like the victims' families, are victims as well. JMO

 

[Sundog]

We can add Brian Entin to the list of people who claim that 163214's father was not in the courtroom for the sentencing hearing. Entin has been to every hearing of this case, I believe, and he certainly would have recognized the dad if he had been there. I think the lone reporter that claimed he was there was mistaken. I think the sister was perhaps there to support her mother, because her father chose not to go, for whatever reason.

I do hope that all of the killer's family members can begin the slow process of healing, now that he has been sentenced and taken to prison. They, like the victims' families, are victims as well. JMO

I think that it may have been just too emotionally difficult for BK's father to attend the sentencing. From what we have seen, it appears that they were very close and it has to be more than heart-breaking for his father to know what happened and also for the father to deal with his feelings for the family members of the victims. Perhaps one sister stayed home to be with him and the other sister was present to support her mother.

 

[cottonweaver]

Thought that the Debarre comments at the end were interesting. He speculated on Prosecution's point of view on risks of going to trial- basically circumstantial evidence plus the IGG ' illegal' and that in X years time Supreme Court throws it out & he'd get a retrial

 

[cottonweaver]

Hadn't read this one from NYT

B Thompson debunked the report that BK sat down in the chair in Xana's room. ( Was that from Dateline?) BT tells NYT ' unaware of any evidence to suggest that'

A couple of paragraphs
- daily phone calls to parents routine ( I wasn't expecting that - 28 yo,' secretive' male)
- no surveillance footage of the 23 visits July - Nov 13

Investigators in Idaho Murders Case Dispel Baseless Rumors and Theories

In an interview, the lead prosecutor, Bill Thompson, decried how some of the wild speculations surrounding the case made life “hell” for innocent people.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Meitsyeah]

I have followed this case from the beginning but never commented on this specific case. It is moving so fast hard to keep up spent several hours reading some of the Supplements (on #85) two things strike out. Some off the info is graphic and horrifying, the majority of it is dry warrant requests etc. But it shows LIE on top of it from the beginning and reading these supplements show the hours of work it takes to solve and build a case!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Bringing over from last thread, may be interesting to some:



It's not clear he passed his classes. There's a timeline somewhere, way back on an older thread. He was in the altercation with Prof Snyder on or about September 23. Prof Snyder was also his prof for one or more of his doctoral courses.

Then, he was emailed on October 21 that he was not meeting expectations as a TA.

At some point, Prof Snyder addresses the concerns of the women in his classes about his classroom behavior.

On November 2, Prof Snyder meets with him in person to tell him he's being put on a behavioral plan. The usual implication of such a plan is that if the desired behaviors are not met, the student is expelled.

On November 13, BK murders four undergrad students at U of I. That's 11 days into the "behavioral plan."

On December 7, BK again meets with Prof S about his behavior. Presumably, it's all the behavioral points, including the in-classroom behavior.

On December 9, BK loses his temper again with Prof S and they have another "altercation."

Prof S is continually documenting all of this with the University.

All of this results in BK being fired from the TA position (his only source of financial support and of reduced tuition) on December 19.

It's not clear at which point the expulsion process was concluded, but IIRC, it went to the Board of Trustees for rubber stamping in mid-January.

Since it is typical for a student to be barred from attending class at some point in the expulsion process (usually after the Dean has accepted the formal paperwork from the professor and chair), they cannot get a grade as they are no longer in attendance. I can imagine that Prof S might have given incompletes, but why he'd do that while actively working to expel Kohberger, I don't know. Perhaps local policy said he had to enter some sort of grade for BK, but I doubt BK got very good grades in this context.

I'd be very surprised if BK turned in his academic papers that semester.

Finals were over around the end of the second week in December.

The below link has the dates, same dates as in a NYT article timeline, but that NYT article is behind a paywall for me.

Bryan Kohberger was fired from WSU teaching job days before Idaho murders arrest​

His attitude towards women was cited as a key concern, with the criminal justice student allegedly having a ‘sexist attitude towards females he interacted with at the school’

www.the-independent.com

I was in grad school for a long time in a top R1 program that had a number of TA, TF and research lines because of the need to staff undergraduate core courses. I can't think of a single example of a student who washed out of teaching and was able to stay in the program. I supervised myself a student whom I had to remove from the classroom and who left the whole program mid semester. (In my program, TAs were the instructors of record in the freshman courses, not just grading or providing lab/tutoring sessions.) Now, some students struggled in their first teaching assignments, and that's why more advanced grads were mentors and teachers and everyone taught the same materials. The goal was always to help novice teachers develop the pedagogical tools to be successful.

I know one stellar grad student who was a TA for a nut job professor who tried to derail her career, but she was in her 3rd year and was well thought of by everyone. The grad director himself stepped in to protect her. So even when professors are the problem, a student with a good reputation has protections.

Because we were a very large department with more than one grad degree path, some students in otherwise good standing who were not stellar teachers in the first-year course found a home with other senior faculty and eventually taught undergrads in that area of study. But the key is, students especially at the PhD level need to have good, professional relationships with graduate faculty. These relationships are not just about keeping funding; they're about lifelong relationships involving recommendations, publications, presentations at national conferences, and becoming part of a much larger network that will include your professor's close colleagues as well as your grad cohort.

I agree that it's unlikely that the Killer finished his coursework, although he might have expected to before the BOLO went out for a white Elantra. But the conflicts with Prof. Snyder, signaled to the department and academic administration that the problems were not just with students.

 

[Warwick7]

Hadn't read this one from NYT

B Thompson debunked the report that BK sat down in the chair in Xana's room. ( Was that from Dateline?) BT tells NYT ' unaware of any evidence to suggest that'

A couple of paragraphs
- daily phone calls to parents routine ( I wasn't expecting that - 28 yo,' secretive' male)
- no surveillance footage of the 23 visits July - Nov 13

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Investigators in Idaho Murders Case Dispel Baseless Rumors and Theories

In an interview, the lead prosecutor, Bill Thompson, decried how some of the wild speculations surrounding the case made life “hell” for innocent people.

www.nytimes.com

They may not have caught his car, but, his phone was there 23+ times.

We can never forget that those with ring cameras and cctv may have already been deleted, the fact BK was using VPNs and that he wiped his electronics clean......

 

[Lilibet]

They may not have caught his car, but, his phone was there 23+ times.

We can never forget that those with ring cameras and cctv may have already been deleted, the fact BK was using VPNs and that he wiped his electronics clean......

BBM

Regarding the phone the NYT article said:

At the time Mr. Kohberger was arrested in December 2022, about seven weeks after the killings, investigators detailed cellphone data linking Mr. Kohberger to late-night visits he had made to areas around where the killings occurred. That suggested he had studied the scene of the murders before carrying them out.

But Mr. Thompson conceded on Thursday that those visits did not necessarily prove Mr. Kohberger had visited the home or surveilled it, as the area served by the cell tower infrastructure probably extended all the way to the main highway that brings people into town from Washington, where Mr. Kohberger lived.

BBM

IMO It’s likely he surveilled the home, but it can’t be proven from the cell records.