GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[PunishThenForgive]

No chance of a quadruple murder of four young people near a college campus at night in their own home is going to be forgotten. IMO
Crimes like this make everyone feel vulnerable as you can’t figure out how to 100% not be a victim at night in your own home.

I’m glad the school bought the house and tore it down.
To me it stood as a reminder of brutal murders sitting right close to the school.
And to draw weirdos breaking in just to see all the blood, take photos, take souvenirs.
And so unnerving for survivors and anyone wanting to rent or own rental property in the area.

Do you think it was valuable as evidence if there was a trial, or as a memorial?

I hope the school waits several years and builds some kind of park there, for students to hold small outdoor gatherings. To me that would be a good use of it- as a celebration of their lives.

IMO

Ethan Chapin’s triplet brother, Hunter, was interviewed in the Amazon Prime docuseries, One Night in Idaho: The College Murders. Seeing the pain in his eyes when he discussed looking out of his Sigma Chi window each morning to see the boarded-up, fenced-in house where his brother was brutally murdered erased any doubt I had about leaving that house standing.

And Hunter wasn’t the only University of Idaho student who was traumatized. That house stood out for all to see:


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I wish they would create a lovely, lush, peaceful garden in the house’s place instead of leaving the plot of land barren. It should be a source of comfort and beauty—an additional reminder of the four lost students who brought so much love and happiness to their family and friends.

IMO

Edited to honor the extant on-campus memorial, the Vandal Healing Garden and Memorial, designed by students.

 

[Dotta]

My apologies, I didn’t go back and read the prior messages of the thread.
I saw your short message asking if the victims/crime would be forgotten now because the house was torn down.
Do you think people will forget the victims and crime because the house isn’t standing?

While I think there is always benefits for the jury to see the crime scene, I do not think it would be required for a guilty verdict with all the other evidence. It was a risk I suppose.
If the state wanted to prevent it- they could have bought it. Instead the school did.

I do know they did a full 3D scan of every room of that house. I’m guessing they have a walkthrough of the crime scene digitized that shows where bodies, evidence, and blood were. I’ve not seen it, but remember it being discussed and know it is possible.

IMO

Quotation from my post was the answer
to another poster

who wrote that demolishing the house would help the students/ not bother students any more.

So .....

I asked if demolishing the house would mean the crime will be forgotten.

It was a RHETORICAL question.

I thought it is clear.
Does anybody really think these victims will ever be forgotten???

And how demolishing the house BEFORE the trial really helped students???

JMO

 

[PunishThenForgive]

This paragraph could have possibly caught BK's attention:

Author was discussing vulnerabilities of T. Bundy's victims
Page 118 Ann Rule's Ted Bundy book The Stranger Beside Me. [First Edition]

Had the man who approached these young women divined somehow that he had come upon his victims at a time when they were particularly vulnerable, where they were not thinking as clearly as they usually did? It would almost seem so. The stalking, predatory animal cuts the weakest from the pack and then kills at his leisure.

Ahhhh, the p. 118 that I saw on Reddit was different and contained nothing that seemed worthy of underlining.

 

[AngTxGal]

Quotation from my post was the answer
to another poster

who wrote that demolishing the house would help the students/ not bother students any more.

So .....

I asked if demolishing the house would mean the crime will be forgotten.

It was a RHETORICAL question.

I thought it is clear.

JMO

Again, may apologies. I obviously misunderstood as I didn’t read the prior post.

What I think is some families were loud and others were not. And decisions that impact many families should not be decided based on who is the loudest.

I agree that demolishing the house may have been and still be helpful to the families, the school, the community, and take a bit of swagger out of BKs walk.

I have no idea the torture the survivors have gone through, it is clear they are not handling it all very well. People are cruel and depraved- why? I have no clue

I don’t know if those girls finished the semester and took finals, which would have been weeks after the murders.
I don’t know if they even returned to campus at all.
That information may be out there- I hope it is private. I won’t go look them up, I’ll leave them alone.

IMO

 

[SteveP]

Vandal Healing Garden, honoring Kaylee, Maddie, Xana, and Ethan...

 

[AngTxGal]

Ethan Chapin’s triplet brother, Hunter, was interviewed in the Amazon Prime docuseries, One Night in Idaho: The College Murders. Seeing the pain in his eyes when he discussed looking out of his Sigma Chi window each morning to see the boarded-up, fenced-in house where his brother was brutally murdered erased any doubt I had about leaving that house standing.

And Hunter wasn’t the only University of Idaho student who was traumatized. That house stood out for all to see:

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I wish they would create a lovely, peaceful garden in the house’s place instead of leaving the plot of land barren. It should be a source of comfort and beauty—a reminder of the four lost students who brought so much love and happiness to their family and friends.

IMO

It tears me up to imagine Hunter seeing that house every day.
That house literally bled Ethan’s blood down the outside wall, how horrific is that!

I think the house stood too long. Once evidence was collected it should have been torn down.
They boarded it up, put a fence around it but its location and height meant it was visible.

IMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

This is the back of the house.

top floor:

• Kaylee former bedroom on left,
• Balcony access from Kaylee's bedroom,
• window for stairwell in middle,
• Maddie bedroom on right,
• No stair access to balcony.

lower floor:

• kitchen on left,
• centre window in kitchen,
• Dylan bedroom on right.

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Thanks for all your maps and visual aids Otto, I truly appreciate them as I can't find my way out of a paper sack. It's a real problem.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Ahhhh, the p. 118 that I saw on Reddit was different and contained nothing that seemed worthy of underlining.

This was page 118 from The Handmaids Tale. We know the murderer was at the speaking engagement with MA.

Spoiler: Graphic Language Advisement

That is hard to read.

 

[arielilane]

Family of Moscow murder victims’ roommate asks public to help her ‘new reality’
https://t.co/sfbWxAgEkR

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950325527828381833

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article311509866.html?taid=68894dcf22e284000109c281&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

[PunishThenForgive]

This was page 118 from The Handmaids Tale. We know the murderer was at the speaking engagement with MA.

Spoiler: Graphic Language Advisement

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That is hard to read.

Thank you! @MeadowMuffin and others brought this up in previous threads, but it’s good to remind everyone. The Handmaid’s Tale is still my #1 pick for the book that was underlined on page 118, but only due to my personal connection. The novel made a huge impact on me when I read it as a young woman, and I was chilled when I saw that the murderer had also read it and attended a reading by one of my favorite authors.

ETA: Thank you, also, for illustrating the spoiler option. I keep forgetting it’s available in the editing tools and don’t remember seeing it used in a post.

 

[otto]

Quotation from my post was the answer
to another poster

who wrote that demolishing the house would help the students/ not bother students any more.

So .....

I asked if demolishing the house would mean the crime will be forgotten.

It was a RHETORICAL question.

I thought it is clear.
Does anybody really think these victims will ever be forgotten???

JMO

From watching European crime shows and following murders that occurred in Spain, Italy, Aruba, etc., I understand that a standard investigative step is to take a suspect+lawyer to the crime scene and question them about what they did. Even when they claim innocence, they are asked to explain their actions around the timeline of the murder at the location where the murder occurred (e.g.: house, beach).

That doesn't happen in Canada or the USA, so the crime scene does not have value after the crime scene is released by investigators.

The purpose of the scale model (scaled, but not to the millimetre) is to provide jurors with a visual tool to understand sequence of events. Four murders and two survivors has a lot of moving parts.

1. Dylan was asleep on floor 2.
2. Ethan asleep on floor 2
3. Xana orders food from floor 2
4. Xana went downstairs to front door on floor 1 to get food
5. She probably ate the food in her bedroom on floor 2.
6. Kohberger entered the house via the kitchen on floor 2.
7. He went directly up the stairs to Maddie's bedroom on floor 3.
8. Xana took her food leftovers from her bedroom to the kitchen on floor 2.
9. Kaylee was attacked, Maddie was attacked on floor 3
10. Xana called out from floor 2
11. Dylan peaked out her bedroom door on floor 2.
12. Kohberger chased Xana from floor 3 to floor 2.
13. He killed Xana and Ethan on floor 2.
14. Dylan peaked out her door again, saw Kohberger.
15. Kohberger left via kitchen on floor 2.

All that can be explained, perhaps more easily, with the scale model. Sound travel from the bedroom above Dylan's room to her room can be illustrated with the model. Acoustics in an occupied house cannot be replicated in a vacant house.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thank you! @MeadowMuffin and others brought this up in previous threads, but it’s good to remind everyone. The Handmaid’s Tale is still my #1 pick for the book that was underlined on page 118, but only due to my personal connection. The novel made a huge impact on me when I read it as a young woman, and I was chilled when I saw that the murderer had also read it and attended a reading by one of my favorite authors.

ETA: Thank you, also, for illustrating the spoiler option. I keep forgetting it’s available in the editing tools and don’t remember seeing it used in a post.

Same, and you're welcome.

 

[AngTxGal]

This was page 118 from The Handmaids Tale. We know the murderer was at the speaking engagement with MA.

Spoiler: Graphic Language Advisement

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That is hard to read.

I think families of daughters murdered with or without a connection to the murderer should pursue national legislation- there should be aggravating circumstances in many cases it is a Hate Crime.

It is happening too often, is sick, and looks exactly like young women are seen a prey.

How many minds and hearts that could have impacted our future have been stolen because a young man developed hate for young women? Way too many

Young women in college have always been victims of sexual assault- when I was in college it was 1/6, now it is 1/3. So when you look at a population of 100 young college women- 33 of them will be victims of sexual assault. That is madness

I think some young men are under the impression that young women have an intention to hurt them, and that young women should have all the power about their lives taken away. Women are just now getting power in many places. Why that power is seen as a threat is baffling to me.

I’m a survivor, as is my daughter. So my opinion matters. It is infuriating
If you ask- my guess is all of us know many women who are survivors.
IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Ahhhh, the p. 118 that I saw on Reddit was different and contained nothing that seemed worthy of underlining.

Did you hear Kevin Fixler say that Bill Thompson wasn't clear on the ID of that book? It's in that Idaho Statesman special which you were discussing yesterday.

at 43 mins

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Did you hear Kevin Fixler say that Bill Thompson wasn't clear on the ID of that book? It's in that Idaho Statesman special which you were discussing yesterday.

at 43 mins

Apparently, BT doesn’t know personally (or couldn’t recall the details during his hour-long interview with Fixler), but Fixler seemed determined to find out by reaching out to LE investigators.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think families of daughters murdered with or without a connection to the murderer should pursue national legislation- there should be aggravating circumstances in many cases it is a Hate Crime.

It is happening too often, is sick, and looks exactly like young women are seen a prey.

How many minds and hearts that could have impacted our future have been stolen because a young man developed hate for young women? Way too many

Young women in college have always been victims of sexual assault- when I was in college it was 1/6, now it is 1/3. So when you look at a population of 100 young college women- 33 of them will be victims of sexual assault. That is madness

IMO

It's beyond a terrible thing, I believe this murderer did have true hate in his heart for the popular sorority girl(s) that would never consider him relationship material. <his thinking>

It was so poignant to me when Kaylee's sister Alivia said in her impact statement that Kaylee and Maddie would have been the first one's to try and make him feel less awkward. I can see that in them.

I was Chi O years ago and probably why I connected so closely to this case. I have done, literally, many of the exact same things as these young women. We are young, eager to be on our own, and invincible...until we're not, through no fault of our own.

I hope DM and BF can move forward and begin the healing process. I could actually feel DM's pain when she read her VI statement. They both have been put through emotional and traumatic he ll on earth.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Dylan and Xana both heard something upstairs. They knew that Maddie and Kaylee were sleeping in Maddie's bedroom.

We know that Xana had ordered food, and that she put the packaging in the kitchen. We know that Xana was not in the kitchen when Kohberger arrived.

When Kohberger was in Maddie's bedroom, Dylan (room below) and Xana (possibly in kitchen) heard something. Dylan woke up and peeked out her door. Xana called out and may have started up the stairs. Layout illustrates how noise would have travelled in that part of the house.

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Ok, now I'm confused.

I haven't read any where that DM and XK knew that Maddie and Kaylee were sleeping in Maddie's bedroom.

We've read DM, BF, KG, and MM went to KG's room to hangout. And KG was getting ready for bed.

We also know BF and MM took Murphy out to go potty. When they came in Bethany went to her cupboard and grabbed a bag of chips went to her room and on her iPad watched Baby Daddy on Hulu. Maddie came down stairs and asked her if Murphy was with her/she couldn't find him. Told her no. She shut everything off, locked her door, and went to bed.

DM went to her room.

Actually it sounds like KG started out in her own bed, then later went into MM's room.

So, no, It doesn't sound like DM and XK knew that Maddie and Kaylee were sleeping in Maddie's bedroom.

We know that Xana had ordered food, true. But we don't know that she put the packaging in the kitchen. We can't see the date on it. There is so much crap in that kitchen we have no idea how long that sack was there.

Yes, that sack could be from that night. It could also be from another night. Her sack could have been in her bedroom. We just don't have time/date from the sack in the kitchen. Not yet anyway.

 

[Warwick7]

As part of his #Idaho4 plea deal, #BryanKohberger waived the ability to appeal his 4 consecutive life sentences. But narrow legal avenues still exist for him to appeal, though come at the risk of restoring a possible #deathpenalty.
@NMBlanchard reports.

11:08 AM · Jul 30, 2025

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article311506184.html

Hugh risks. He'd be stupid to do it.

 

[Warwick7]

According to the Prime documentary, it was donated by the owner to the University, and the University demolished it with the blessing of the victims' families.

Not all families.

 

[Warwick7]

Exce

The problem with using the empty house to test acoustics is that empty houses have echo that is not present when filled with furniture.

Excellent point!!