GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[hooziewhutz]

State Response to Courts Order Regarding Sealed Documents

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...o_Courts_Order_Regarding_Sealed_Documents.pdf

Defendant Response to the Courts Order Regarding Sealed Documents

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...e_Courts_Order_Regarding_Sealed_Documents.pdf

Judge Hipper's Order Regarding Requested Redactions

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/08262025_Order_Regarding_Requested_Redactions.pdf

 

[Chloegirl]

DM heard "there's someone here/there". What if that's the same audio the neighbor camera picked up and it was XK saying "get out of here"?

I think this happened even faster than the fast time I was thinking. From 7 minutes to 3.

DM opened her door three times. Twice, there was nothing there, nothing to see (though there must have been sounds to hear), uncanny that she didn't see the felon go up or down the stairs, see him pursue XK -- with a 3 minute timeline, she must have just missed those actions by seconds.

Scarier than any movie.

JMO

I am starting to understand how many people are sitting on such a small amount of space. If this is a quiet night, there is still an incredible amount of activity.

SODDI defense! Let's just say if he hadn't left the knife sheath and things progressed to trial, he may have gotten off. I do wonder what the tipping point was for BK to request a plea.

I understand more and more why they accepted the plea deal. I am just astonished listening and watching this, and I have to say I do not think people who live in that neighborhood are safe. Maybe no one is anywhere. It is currently in growth-mode and I hope they have a real long-term plan. JMOO

 

[Ghostwheel]

28m

Maybe it's just me, but this is like listening to a spirt box when you are ghost hunting... except for poor Murphy. And my goodness how long a minute really is.

 

[Orlaam]

Video is really really disturbing with this degree of audio clarity.

MOO There's a sound before Murphy starts actively barking. I wonder if the felon shoved or kicked him. MOO

He thinks the female voice says, "who are you? Get out." But he admits it's all but impossible to be sure. Still, it's chilling.

GH has him entering that house possibly closer to 4:15. It fits with what we've learned IMO.

Fast, fast terror of destruction.

I posted a long response on that video. My YT comments are often removed though, so we'll see what happens, lol. I don't think much can be gleaned from the camera audio, except the screams and thud surrounding Xana's attack at 4:17. I do feel as though her scream is "Oh god help us....help us", then the sound of her falling to the ground as his attack continues. It sounds a lot like "oh god" and "help us", since Ethan is in the room. It doesn't sound like "help me" or anything singular. It could be anything though. I do not believe you can truly speculate on any other sounds or voices in this feed. I have Ring cameras, and these small internet streaming cams have a lot of noise when there is nothing going on. I have one in the bedroom where I can watch my cat when I'm at work. My house is very quiet, as is the neighborhood. With no sounds, the camera feed always has little musical sounds in the background and it picks up a lot of noise. If the house were to make a settling sound, it sounds like a loud bang. When I had cameras outdoors at my last house I always heard things, would go outside immediately and see nothing. Sure, we can rely on the car sounds, dog barking, and unfortunately, Xana screaming/whimpering. I don't put much stock into anything else. I have to laugh at some of the speculation on YouTube about what they hear.

I also commented on an stabbing attack video, reportedly out of China, many years ago. A man approached another man from behind and assaulted him with a knife. The entire event was captured on video. From the initial attack to the point where the individual was no longer conscious, 30 seconds had passed. He tried to defend himself and even get away, but was pulled back and attacked further. Depending on the injury, some critical stab wounds can result in consciousness lasting several minutes or hours. In this case, BK had to ensure he had finished with each victim or they would have been able to call 911. When you watch that video, the amount of blood is crazy. There is no way BK didn't have a significant amount of transfer on his arms, hands, and other places on him. Three or four stab wounds? Sure, likely no blood transfer. But the reported 30-50 wounds, on Xana alone? No way he wasn't contaminated. No question he had to remove a set of clothing before entering his car to keep the car so clean. Honestly, short of leaving the shealth behind, he never would have been caught imo.

 

[Ghostwheel]

RSBM

Is there a crime scene photo showing a rogue boot?

RSBM.

There is, in fact, a photo with a rogue boot in the living room. 8:44 in the Law and Crime body cam Video

Spoiler: If you don't want to see the video, don't click here

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Before the table was moved

After they moved the table

 

[LadyL]

DM heard "there's someone here/there". What if that's the same audio the neighbor camera picked up and it was XK saying "get out of here"?

I think this happened even faster than the fast time I was thinking. From 7 minutes to 3.

DM opened her door three times. Twice, there was nothing there, nothing to see (though there must have been sounds to hear), uncanny that she didn't see the felon go up or down the stairs, see him pursue XK -- with a 3 minute timeline, she must have just missed those actions by seconds.

Scarier than any movie.

JMO

Surely you don't mean it took only three minutes for the entire incident? With the amount of stabbing, there's no way it took only three minutes to murder them all.

 

[gremlin444]

Is there a crime scene photo showing a rogue boot?

I think XK and KG were in sleepwear and barefoot, I think the felon was the only one on the staircase and it's he whom DM heard. Maybe with Murphy who would have had reasons to explore. JITB ... and an intruder...

However, I do think it's possible -- that XK slipped on whatever shoes were available, if she went outside to retrieve her food -- and kicked them off, perhaps when he chased her to her room.

In the most recent ISP photo dump, there is a crime scene photo (113) with one doc marten boot in the living room, kind of in the middle of the room. In the same photo dump, photo 111 shows that boot's mate on it's side on the floor right next to the left end of the couch:



I don't any other shoes in the living room, and no shoes at all on the 3rd floor stairs or the hall to xana's room.

IMHO, the problem with the idea of Xana having put on boots/shoes to go get her food, and that was what made the clompy shoe noise on the stairs that DM thought she heard.....is that Xana was found without any pants on. She was wearing a sweatshirt and thong undies and that is all.

Even with boots on, Xana's not going outside via the backdoor and around to the front to grab her food wearing a sweatshirt and thong underwear on a cold Nov night in Idaho.

Sure, there is a small chance she had on very baggie sweatpants, slid into some docs to go outside to get food.....but in order to be found as she was (wearing just the sweatshirt and thong undies), we'd have to believe something like this happened:

--grab food from outside, walk back around to patio door go back to her room
--slip off her sweatpants, and leave the boots on....
--leave her room and then go up the 3rd floor steps to see what is going on
--immediately be chased down the stairs
--kicks off both her boots in the living room while running
--attacked and murdered
--found in room wearing just the sweatshirt and thong undies

And I don't see her taking off sweats/bottoms in her room after removing boots...deciding to leave her room to go to kitchen or up to the 3rd floor and putting on boots just to do that.

I think the likeliest and simplest solution is that what DM thought was boots was either BK (heavier body, doesn't matter what shoes he was wearing), or the sounds of Xana and BK running down the stairs and past her room, IMHO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

In the most recent ISP photo dump, there is a crime scene photo (113) with one doc marten boot in the living room, kind of in the middle of the room. In the same photo dump, photo 111 shows that boot's mate on it's side on the floor right next to the left end of the couch:

View attachment 611237

I don't any other shoes in the living room, and no shoes at all on the 3rd floor stairs or the hall to xana's room.

IMHO, the problem with the idea of Xana having put on boots/shoes to go get her food, and that was what made the clompy shoe noise on the stairs that DM thought she heard.....is that Xana was found without any pants on. She was wearing a sweatshirt and thong undies and that is all.

Even with boots on, Xana's not going outside via the backdoor and around to the front to grab her food wearing a sweatshirt and thong underwear on a cold Nov night in Idaho.

Sure, there is a small chance she had on very baggie sweatpants, slid into some docs to go outside to get food.....but in order to be found as she was (wearing just the sweatshirt and thong undies), we'd have to believe something like this happened:

--grab food from outside, walk back around to patio door go back to her room
--slip off her sweatpants, and leave the boots on....
--leave her room and then go up the 3rd floor steps to see what is going on
--immediately be chased down the stairs
--kicks off both her boots in the living room while running
--attacked and murdered
--found in room wearing just the sweatshirt and thong undies

And I don't see her taking off sweats/bottoms in her room after removing boots...deciding to leave her room to go to kitchen or up to the 3rd floor and putting on boots just to do that.

I think the likeliest and simplest solution is that what DM thought was boots was either BK (heavier body, doesn't matter what shoes he was wearing), or the sounds of Xana and BK running down the stairs and past her room, IMHO.

Interesting that there is proof of someone wearing Doc Marten boots and DM mentioning she heard them on the stairs at some point. They can be clunky (noisy) with those lug soles. I still have a pair I've owned for 12+ years.

The entire timeline is ironic to me, the murderer getting in, Xana being awake for the DD order, the major struggle that took place with the murderer and Xana and the attack on Ethan in the bedroom.

DM opening the door one last time to check things out and the murderer quickly passing her by and heading out the slider.

We will probably never know the exact sequence of events, although we now have a pretty good idea.

imo

 

[squareandrabbet]

Interesting that there is proof of someone wearing Doc Marten boots and DM mentioning she heard them on the stairs at some point. They can be clunky (noisy) with those lug soles. I still have a pair I've owned for 12+ years.

The entire timeline is ironic to me, the murderer getting in, Xana being awake for the DD order, the major struggle that took place with the murderer and Xana and the attack on Ethan in the bedroom.

DM opening the door one last time to check things out and the murderer quickly passing her by and heading out the slider.

We will probably never know the exact sequence of events, although we now have a pretty good idea.

Also, if the DoorDash driver explained they had to mill around for 15 minutes in order to find the house, this explains why Xana might have decided she wanted to warm up her food in the middle of it.

 

[Megnut]

In watching multiple GH videos over the last week, it's beyond obvious that the felon was interested only in 1122 King Road, but what drives it home for me are the movements of the Elantra relative to the DDD. Clearly he has studied all the sightlines, front, back and even from a distance, between other buildings.

Complicating things for him, the DDD was driving around, parking twice. And he was watching that, as best he could, while trying not to get watched.

IMO he would have had two concerns -- one, whether that driver was a threat to his mission, and two, whether his target was in that car. IMO that's why he drove up behind the DDD, to see who got out, to see if it was his target.

AT, bless her heart, did a grand job trying to convince the public that, yes, he was driving around, but certainly not over there. No, stalking, nope. Fine. I won't call it stalking. I'll call it predatory shark circling.

And once he entered the house, he went directly upstairs. Think how fast assailants knife complete strangers at public events and subways. If MM had been alone, he could have been in and out of that house in a minute. Which was likely his intent. Months in planning, minutes in transfer mitigation, seconds in execution.

Devastating results.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

In watching multiple GH videos over the last week, it's beyond obvious that the felon was interested only in 1122 King Road, but what drives it home for me are the movements of the Elantra relative to the DDD. Clearly he has studied all the sightlines, front, back and even from a distance, between other buildings.

Complicating things for him, the DDD was driving around, parking twice. And he was watching that, as best he could, while trying not to get watched.

IMO he would have had two concerns -- one, whether that driver was a threat to his mission, and two, whether his target was in that car. IMO that's why he drove up behind the DDD, to see who got out, to see if it was his target.

AT, bless her heart, did a grand job trying to convince the public that, yes, he was driving around, but certainly not over there. No, stalking, nope. Fine. I won't call it stalking. I'll call it predatory shark circling.

And once he entered the house, he went directly upstairs. Think how fast assailants knife complete strangers at public events and subways. If MM had been alone, he could have been in and out of that house in a minute. Which was likely his intent. Months in planning, minutes in transfer mitigation, seconds in execution.

Devastating results.

JMO

I know it's pointless to try to figure out what he was thinking, but if he saw the door-dash driver, why would he enter the house? The delivery meant someone was awake. Did he not care? Did he not know? Or did he time it so he entered as XK went downstairs to the front door? How CLOSELY was he indeed watching?

jmopinion

 

[Megnut]

I know it's pointless to try to figure out what he was thinking, but if he saw the door-dash driver, why would he enter the house? The delivery meant someone was awake. Did he not care? Did he not know? Or did he time it so he entered as XK went downstairs to the front door? How CLOSELY was he indeed watching?

jmopinion

He entered a house with multiple lights on and a dog! Those are the exact things we do to DISCOURAGE burglars!

I think he was satisfied the DDD drove away. Good enough for him.

We now know the DDD first went to the back but was uncomfortable going in that way, then left the food at the lower door at 3:59. Then drove away.

Prior to delivery, she saw a girl with long dark hair in a window -- no doubt XK watching for her food. It's AWFUL to think that several times XK may have thought the felon was her DDD. Then possibly seeing the real DDD driving around, walking around in search of the right address.

The incongruency is raw. The tameness of late night munchies and the terror that was approaching.

50 stab wounds, many to the face. They're NO humanity in that creature.

JMO

 

[stormymama]

He entered a house with multiple lights on and a dog! Those are the exact things we do to DISCOURAGE burglars!

I think he was satisfied the DDD drove away. Good enough for him.

We now know the DDD first went to the back but was uncomfortable going in that way, then left the food at the lower door at 3:59. Then drove away.

Prior to delivery, she saw a girl with long dark hair in a window -- no doubt XK watching for her food. It's AWFUL to think that several times XK may have thought the felon was her DDD. Then possibly seeing the real DDD driving around, walking around in search of the right address.

The incongruency is raw. The tameness of late night munchies and the terror that was approaching.

50 stab wounds, many to the face. They're NO humanity in that creature.

JMO

I also think DDD saw Xana on the second floor, not the third, like she indicated in her statements. moo

 

[Megnut]

I also think DDD saw Xana on the second floor, not the third, like she indicated in her statements. moo

Agreed. But this whole house was their home.

Murphy had free rein.

IMO nobody had shoes on.

Roommates were talking. DM. Possibly KG. XK.

Murphy would have alerted to the DDD for sure (IMO) and the food, if he was used to people food.

XK could have gone up the steps with Murphy and looked out a window from there.

But I think you're right, the DDD was going by memory, by and large quite accurate but getting a window wrong by one floor, totally reasonable.

Chilling now close she came to a mass murderer without even knowing it. We are NEVER as safe as we think we are.

Armed? Loaded gun under the pillow? Mace in your actual hand? Useless if an armed intruder is atop you before you can even awaken. Useless if it's the one night you forgot to lock the door. Useless in the face of an ambush.

I find it beyond repulsive that the inmate has the nerve to whine about his sleeping conditions. What about MM, KG, XK, EC (an invited guest), DM, BF and even Murphy's right to go to bed at night in their own beds in their own home and wake up in the morning, at whatever time suits them.

He earned his life sentences. Prison isn't posh. I don't care if he has to sleep with the lights on.

He made the dark scarier for all of us.

JMO

 

[wendy44]

Also, if the DoorDash driver explained they had to mill around for 15 minutes in order to find the house, this explains why Xana might have decided she wanted to warm up her food in the middle of it.

This is what I lean toward. Xana picked up her food at the front door, went to her room to eat and watch TikTok and then BK entered the house. She went to the kitchen when he was upstairs to warm up her food (found on top of the microwave) because it was cold after taking so long to be delivered. She heard the commotion upstairs and went up there to see what was going on.
JMO

 

[Dexter12]

Things we don't know.

What time XK retrieved her DD food. And by what route.

If she was hoping to have it delivered to the slider but it was delivered instead to the front door, did she go down the stairs to the front door or go out and around through the slider?

Could she have been on the couch eating her food and neither hear nor see him enter?

Regardless, she had time to start eating (LE knows what she ordered and knows how much remained) and returned to the kitchen to put her remnants the there. And that is when she encountered the open slider-- perhaps not entirely alarming, thinking maybe someone let Murphy out --

But then she must have heard DM call out to KG as well as the noise from above.

Is there a crime scene photo showing a rogue boot?

I think XK and KG were in sleepwear and barefoot, I think the felon was the only one on the staircase and it's he whom DM heard. Maybe with Murphy who would have had reasons to explore. JITB ... and an intruder...

However, I do think it's possible -- that XK slipped on whatever shoes were available, if she went outside to retrieve her food -- and kicked them off, perhaps when he chased her to her room.

Alongside the backyard footprints he left were smaller ones. Maybe from XP going around to the other door, to get her JITB. But also they could've been from two hours earlier when DM and MM were outside with Murphy.

There's someone here. Who said it and to whom? Scary to think it could have been KG or XK saying it to one to the other, with him somehow hiding in the shadows, mere seconds before the violence started.

There's someone here. Not shocking. DDD had been there, DM had had a friend over (until 1, I think), EC was there, KG was back. Lots of people there, not there, back again. Next on the list is not mass murderer, no one jumps to that.

It could be why/when KG moved from her own bed into MM's.

Timeline update, from GH's video upthread --

2 am, MM, KG, DM, BF and Murphy are in KG's room. Selfies. Calls to the bf. Then KG decided to get ready for bed, presumably her own bed. While BF goes to her own room, and together, MM and DM take Murphy out (when Murphy is briefly lost). When MM goes to bed herself, it seems likely that she was in her bed and KG was in her own.

I think KG moved into MM's bed after Murphy responded to events (whether it was the DD or PhD-Dr. Death's arrival) and was awake when he entered MM's room.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

In the most recent ISP photo dump, there is a crime scene photo (113) with one doc marten boot in the living room, kind of in the middle of the room. In the same photo dump, photo 111 shows that boot's mate on it's side on the floor right next to the left end of the couch:

View attachment 611237

I don't any other shoes in the living room, and no shoes at all on the 3rd floor stairs or the hall to xana's room.

IMHO, the problem with the idea of Xana having put on boots/shoes to go get her food, and that was what made the clompy shoe noise on the stairs that DM thought she heard.....is that Xana was found without any pants on. She was wearing a sweatshirt and thong undies and that is all.

Even with boots on, Xana's not going outside via the backdoor and around to the front to grab her food wearing a sweatshirt and thong underwear on a cold Nov night in Idaho.

Sure, there is a small chance she had on very baggie sweatpants, slid into some docs to go outside to get food.....but in order to be found as she was (wearing just the sweatshirt and thong undies), we'd have to believe something like this happened:

--grab food from outside, walk back around to patio door go back to her room
--slip off her sweatpants, and leave the boots on....
--leave her room and then go up the 3rd floor steps to see what is going on
--immediately be chased down the stairs
--kicks off both her boots in the living room while running
--attacked and murdered
--found in room wearing just the sweatshirt and thong undies

And I don't see her taking off sweats/bottoms in her room after removing boots...deciding to leave her room to go to kitchen or up to the 3rd floor and putting on boots just to do that.

I think the likeliest and simplest solution is that what DM thought was boots was either BK (heavier body, doesn't matter what shoes he was wearing), or the sounds of Xana and BK running down the stairs and past her room, IMHO.

I am, however, curious as to why ONE boot was in the middle of the floor. How does it make any sense at all? If there other boot was on the end of the couch near where DM ran through the door, I could see her kicking it to that place, but it's not. It's at the far end of the couch.

I like the screen shots from the Law and Crime video because we know nothing was moved at that point. So many things were already moved in the photo dump, it's hard to tell where things were originally. (the black backpack was moved in different places in several photos)

As to the noise, anyone running down uncarpeted stairs makes a heck of a thumping noise, shoes or not. And as for Xana's clothing, how long was the sweatshirt? If it was no shorter than a normal short skirt, shoes and go get the food are totally possible. I had this one shirt that completely covered my short shorts back in the day. Fully clothed when I answered the door, but I didn't look like it. And I have put on shoes with a long sweatshirt and no pants and gone out to my front porch to get something. Just saying it's possible.

But that one boot in the middle of the floor? Really odd to me.

 

[Gemmie]

He entered a house with multiple lights on and a dog! Those are the exact things we do to DISCOURAGE burglars!

I think he was satisfied the DDD drove away. Good enough for him.

But both of the above means people are AWAKE in the house. What in the world possessed him to enter fully knowing people were awake? I ask because I don't think this was his first trip to the house where he had all he needed to do what he was eventually going to do, yet chickened out for whatever reason. Why this night?

JMO.

 

[stormymama]

As a mom to college-aged kids, the lone Doc Marten in the middle of the floor does not strike me as odd at all.
What are we thinking about the shoe? If Xana did put on shoes to get her food, it’s very possible she kicked one off in one place and the other somewhere else. (If she’s anything like my kids who sometimes forget all the home-training I gave them) moo

Edited to change “good” to “food”

 

[Megnut]

But both of the above means people are AWAKE in the house. What in the world possessed him to enter fully knowing people were awake? I ask because I don't think this was his first trip to the house where he had all he needed to do what he was eventually going to do, yet chickened out for whatever reason. Why this night?

JMO.

1. I think HE thought he was THAT capable. Prepared to slaughter whatever he encountered?

2. I think he was running out of time. And not even that he was basically on PhD probation and feared being fired but I think he thought that they were all wrong and stupid -- and would be leaving on his own terms (all of which were in his head).

3. Weather was changing. Snow would be bad. Footprints. As it was, there was snow in the shaded areas and he did leave footprints anyway. I think he didn't want to deal with a snowfall.

4. I wonder whether any of his phoneless visits were failed missions. We know of one time that the roommates came home, the door was open and Murphy was lost. Coincidence? I doubt it. Surveillance? Likely.

5. He's just blinded by his assumed genius. 2022, had he never heard of security cameras? CAST capabilities?

JMO