GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #116

[Sundog]

I haven't watched/seen this...
Do you have a link?
Thank you so much!

The link is at the top of the post in blue font.

 

[Warwick7]

The link is at the top of the post in blue font.

Thank you, I missed seeing it.

 

[Ghostwheel]

The key thing is there was tons of DNA. What had been previously reported in the media was just plain wrong.

Real question. How do you see what was reported as "wrong"? Way back when media said there was "trace" DNA under the snap on the sheath, they didn't say that was the only DNA and they didn't say it was"a trace of" DNA. In a case like this, i don't consider omission of information the same as being wrong. BUT I do find (like "imperceptible" somehow equaling "miniscule") that if one media source runs with something incorrect, they all seem to run along behind.

If the truth is that "There was trace DNA under the snap AND there was blood and sweat and other bodily fluids, plus hair and other things", then "There was trace DNA under the snap" is correct, just not complete. How is that wrong?

 

[LadyL]

Totally, totally agreed on all of this. I don't think he was set on any one person to that extent. It was everything, it was the house, the victims, the violence, the horrors, he'd get the deranged rush. If he was set on just one victim, no way he'd have entered with DD, no way. But jmo.

[bbm]

what is DD?

 

[Warwick7]

[bbm]

what is DD?

Door Dash person

 

[LadyL]

Door Dash person

ok he didn't enter with her though

 

[Warwick7]

ok he didn't enter with her though

He waited till she left, then he entered by use of the slider.

 

[LadyL]

Just want to clarify that Kaylee moved out like two weeks prior… it’s not like she moved out months ago. I think people are putting too much into that line of thinking. There’s a chance he didn’t know Kaylee had moved out…. So with that, I don’t think we can automatically rule out Kaylee as not being the intended target.

plus her bed was still there
unless it came with the room

 

[LadyL]

He waited till she left, then he entered by use of the slider.

yes I think there was some missing words or I just misunderstood this sentence

If he was set on just one victim, no way he'd have entered with DD, no way. But jmo.

 

[snooptroop88]

DBM

 

[HMSHood]

It is safe to say that Bryan Kohberger is one of the most hated person. People considered to be public enemies.

Bryan Kohberger-Killed Kaylee Goncalves, Maddie Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin
Jose Ibarra-Raped and killed Laken Riley
OJ Simpson-Killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman
David Cash Jr-Did not stop Jeremy Strohmeyer from raping and killing Sherrice Iverson
Casey Anthony-Suspected of killing Caylee Anthony
Lori Drew-Bullied Megan Meier to suicide
Rebecca Grossman-Killed Mark and Jacob Iskander
Alyssa Shepherd-Killed Olivia Stahl and Mason and Xzavier Ingle
Joran van der Sloot-Natalee Holloway and killed Stephany Flores Ramírez
Jerry Sandusky-Penn State Sexual Abuse
Larry Nassar-USA Gymnastic Sexual Abuse
Jimmy Savile-BBC Sexual Abuse
Prince Andrew-Sexual predator
Jeffrey Epstein/Ghislane Maxwell-Sexual predator and trafficker
Martin Shkreli-Increased prices on many medication
Sackler Family-OxyContin and contributed to Opioid Epidemic
Osama bin Laden-Al-Qaeda and 9/11 Terrorist Attack
Adolf Hitler-Nazis Germany, World War II, and Holocaust
Joseph Stalin-Soviet Union, Holodomor, and Purge
Hideki Tojo-Imperial Japan, World War II, and Rape of Nanking
Pol Pot-Khmer Rouge and Killing Fields
Idi Amin-Ugandan dictator and Butcher of Uganda

 

[jepop]

The key thing is there was tons of DNA. What had been previously reported in the media was just plain wrong.

Othram's work was integral to solving this crime and I appreciate the company's expertise, professionalism and commitment.

Thank you for all the good work you do!
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Yes, re there being misinformation in MSM and certainly in social media.

Jmo
I think almost definately Howard Blum was the source of the wrong info; specifically the very precisely claimed assertion there were only 20 skin cells recovered from the snap button of the sheathe! This misinformation, which Imo he claimed from an anonymous source, seemed to stick and was repeated around social media as if a fact. I believe a number of the more sensationally inclined msm outlets may have at times speculated on the basis of Blum's false info. Jmo

If I'm remembering correctly Blum's various writings included a weekly series called "When Idaho Slept" which is subscription only. I'm pretty sure from past comments from his subscribers here at WS, that this is where he first asserted the 20 cell fallacy. This is subscription only so I cannot link. At one point in 2023 his writings were approved for discussion here. They are mostly obsolete now I guess. Thankfully.,. Jmo

 

[katydid23]

IMO because breaking and entering, controlling life and death, overpowering an incapacitated victim are part of the sexual motivation. In fact, IMO that is the sexual event.

He was willing to take risks toward that end, though I think he just hadn't factored for KG being in the bed too, and that alerted Murphy and the other roommates -- for all of his preparation, it was grossly and poorly planned.

I wonder what would have happened, if KG had been in her own room in bed, and BK snuck into MM's room and attacked?

I am pretty sure KG and Murphy would have heard the commotion. She might have been able to run downstairs and get help, and call 911, and fight much harder at that point, and If Ethan and Xana and Kaylee were all fighting him at once, standing up and awake, it might have been a different outcome.

 

[mpnola]

The key thing is there was tons of DNA. What had been previously reported in the media was just plain wrong.

@othram superpowers strike again!!! the literal best. I tell everyone I can about the advancements Othram has made in solving cases.

 

[Warwick7]

Othram's work was integral to solving this crime and I appreciate the company's expertise, professionalism and commitment.

Thank you for all the good work you do!
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Yes, re there being misinformation in MSM and certainly in social media.

Jmo
I think almost definately Howard Blum was the source of the wrong info; specifically the very precisely claimed assertion there were only 20 skin cells recovered from the snap button of the sheathe! This misinformation, which Imo he claimed from an anonymous source, seemed to stick and was repeated around social media as if a fact. I believe a number of the more sensationally inclined msm outlets may have at times speculated on the basis of Blum's false info. Jmo

If I'm remembering correctly Blum's various writings included a weekly series called "When Idaho Slept" which is subscription only. I'm pretty sure from past comments from his subscribers here at WS, that this is where he first asserted the 20 cell fallacy. This is subscription only so I cannot link. At one point in 2023 his writings were approved for discussion here. They are mostly obsolete now I guess. Thankfully.,. Jmo

BBM
He was false on so many things:
*No butt on chair.
*BK wasn't followed/tracked across the country.
*Police pulled him over wasn't a LE plan.
*Fixler stated counting steps up to Maddies room on XK's watch was wrong. That was something Blum wrote about.
*20 cell fallacy
*According to Blum, one of Kohberger's sisters confronted their father about her suspicions that Bryan might be involved, but her concerns were reportedly ignored.
*LE didn't go to a neighbors garbage for evidence.
*LE said they never saw a bleach bucket that Blum said BK used.
I'm sure there is more......

 

[sunshineray]

The key thing is there was tons of DNA. What had been previously reported in the media was just plain wrong.

Do you mean on the snap button of the sheath or in the house in general? TIA

 

[sunshineray]

According to cell phone data, the murderer had extended phone conversations with his parents starting a couple of hours after the murders, then returned to Moscow for about ten minutes between 9 and 9:30 am, then took the infamous, self-congratulatory (?) shower selfie around 10:30 am, and, finally, was in Clarkston/Lewiston a couple of hours after that.

Quite the busy “adrenal-exhausted*” lad. Only he knows what he was thinking in those hours, what he intended to do, and what he actually did. Maybe he will someday tell us, but why would we believe anything he says?

*According to Gary Brucato in Dateline, this was why the murderer spared poor Dylan.

Sources: The PCA, court documents & Moscow police reports.

IMO

Guess he took a power snooze after the murders and getting back to Pullman, woke up wanting to talk to his mother...probably had the tv news turned on during his call and there was crickets about his deeds, so off he goes back to the scene. He comes home, takes a shower, puts on a clean shirt and takes a thumbs up smiley pic. That's a lot to psychoanalyze! What a monster, MO

 

[sunshineray]

So XA's health watch was used to pinpoint her where abouts and when she died.

Is that why Gilbertson said, "Xana certainly did go up the stairs." To say certainly they must have some type of forensic evidence. “Fortunately, that’s what stopped him up there and caused him to screw up and leave the knife sheath, was either hearing or seeing Xana. And then that took his attention away, and he followed her down the stairs to her bedroom." Gilbertson said.

How DNA, police work unraveled the Idaho student murders case | Idaho Statesman https://share.google/DUaKoTNNCSTZ491Ik

The Idaho State police had to wait "hours" for a search warrant to start collecting evidence at a crime scene? Is this just particular to Idaho? You have a quadruple murder scene and investigators have to wait hours to collect evidence to find killer(s)...because they need a warrant to search? No just calling the landlord? Hey four people are dead in your house, can we please go in and process the scene? That they would even have to ask when 4 people are laying there brutally murdered is beyond me. JMO

From your link...

"For hours, police waited to begin collecting evidence until a search warrant was approved at about 5 p.m., Gilbertson said."

 

[othram]

Do you mean on the snap button of the sheath or in the house in general? TIA

Snap button.

 

[Megnut]

I wonder what would have happened, if KG had been in her own room in bed, and BK snuck into MM's room and attacked?

I am pretty sure KG and Murphy would have heard the commotion. She might have been able to run downstairs and get help, and call 911, and fight much harder at that point, and If Ethan and Xana and Kaylee were all fighting him at once, standing up and awake, it might have been a different outcome.

DM heard footballs on the staircase. Thought it was KG because KG wears Doc Martens. I think MM also wore Doc Martens that night, visible in the food truck video and on her bedroom floor in the crime scene photos. Plus there was a pair, all akimbo in the living room. But the victims were all in nightwear when they were murdered and that's why I think it was BK whom DM heard.

So if all the roommates had been asleep -- no TikTok, no DD -- would anyone have awakened and been alarmed by footsteps on the staircase?

I think BK could have entered in near silence, waking only Murphy, who may or may not have barked, growled, alerted in any way. I just don't know that that would have awakened anyone (like KG) enough to process, question, react  and feel the need to investigate. As it was, BK wasn't in the house very long, with four murders. One murder could have been shockingly quick.

Honestly, I think if circumstances were tweaked, the next morning, MM alone might have been discovered, haviblng been vmurdered in her bed, in the middle of the night, by an unknown intruder. How absolutely terrifying that too would have been. Three more roommates and one houseguest who heard probably nothing.

Potentially no sheath left behind, no DNA, no ear witnesses, no eye witness, no suspect description, no voices/thud/barking captured by the neighbor's security camera.

A white Elantra, that's about it. And without the DD, a whole lot less footage and no footage of no front license plate.

Just a whole lot of fear that a murderer was targeting single women in their beds --

He might never have been caught.

JMO