CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[tlcya]

It seems we waste a whole lot of time word-warping what is reported to make it fit a scenario of choice. I can’t link what was written in the G&M August 8 news story as it’s paylocked. But it implicitly stated the G&M confirmed with the RCMP the tip was received Aug 8th. Not on August 9th, when Wong was spoken to, nor does it indicate he first contacted them May 2nd and waited 6 days for a followup.

There are various means of submitting tips, including online.

https://rcmp.ca/en/nova-scotia/news/2025/05/missing-children-help-rcmp-find-lilly-sullivan-and-jack-sullivan

Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Lilly Sullivan and Jack Sullivan is asked to contact Pictou County District RCMP at 902-485-4333. To remain anonymous, call Nova Scotia Crime Stoppers, toll-free, at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477), submit a secure web tip at www.crimestoppers.ns.ca, or use the P3 Tips app.

gotcha, I will have to take your word for it then.

 

[tlcya]

DBM not worth it.

 

[MistyWaters]

gotcha, I will have to take your word for it then.

https://archive.ph/ktf5s

 

[sunspun]

It seems we waste a whole lot of time word-warping what is reported to make it fit a scenario of choice. I can’t link what was written in the G&M August 8 news story as it’s paylocked. But it implicitly stated the G&M confirmed with the RCMP the tip was received Aug 8th. Not on August 9th, when Wong was spoken to, nor does it indicate he first contacted them May 2nd and waited 6 days for a followup.

There are various means of submitting tips, including online.

https://rcmp.ca/en/nova-scotia/news/2025/05/missing-children-help-rcmp-find-lilly-sullivan-and-jack-sullivan

Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Lilly Sullivan and Jack Sullivan is asked to contact Pictou County District RCMP at 902-485-4333. To remain anonymous, call Nova Scotia Crime Stoppers, toll-free, at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477), submit a secure web tip at www.crimestoppers.ns.ca, or use the P3 Tips app.

And as I previously stated, that is absolutely perfectly reasonable to me and totally not suspicious or dubious that a neighbor would wait to report their info on that date. First off, because they would not know if it was important or even relevant or not. That's the police's job to decide on relevance after you relay what info you have to them. So the neighbor heard these things one night, probably thought little of it until the following morning or day, when they become aware of missing children from a neighboring home. I believe that the neighbor and anyone else never for a minute expected the kids to still not be found months later. I'm sure they became increasingly concerned with every day that passed with no sign of them, just like everyone else in the community.

And on May 8, or whichever day they actually contacted LE with their info, as they were hearing the latest updates with no new information and no sign of the kids and cops still urging anyone with any info at all to call them, they did just that and gave LE what little info they had, knowing it may be irrelevant, but just wanting to help. If that's the day that happened, again, that's only 6 days from the initial missing report. I wouldn't expect them to call the first or second or even 3rd day if they weren't sure they had anything important to share. Maybe they thought the police would come to them, since apparently they're one of only 2 close neighbors, if I understood that correctly. Maybe they really aren't that neighborly and don't even think about the kids, wouldn't be surprising, it's not like they live right next door, like in a little subdivision in town. Maybe they're reclusive introverts who had to be persuaded by their wife or whoever to report the tip. Nothing wrong with that, that's their right. But however it happened, they reported it, and there's no doubt in my mind that they told the truth and didn't get the day wrong, just a few days after this major event happened!

 

[Lexiintoronto]

There is mention of railroad tracks in one of the witness accounts. Anyone know if those tracks are in operation?

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX — Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May. Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review...

halifax.citynews.ca

Yes, the train passes through once a day sounding its horn as it approaches Lansdowne Station.

 

[MistyWaters]

And as I previously stated, that is absolutely perfectly reasonable to me and totally not suspicious or dubious that a neighbor would wait to report their info on that date. First off, because they would not know if it was important or even relevant or not. That's the police's job to decide on relevance after you relay what info you have to them. So the neighbor heard these things one night, probably thought little of it until the following morning or day, when they become aware of missing children from a neighboring home. I believe that the neighbor and anyone else never for a minute expected the kids to still not be found months later. I'm sure they became increasingly concerned with every day that passed with no sign of them, just like everyone else in the community.

And on May 8, or whichever day they actually contacted LE with their info, as they were hearing the latest updates with no new information and no sign of the kids and cops still urging anyone with any info at all to call them, they did just that and gave LE what little info they had, knowing it may be irrelevant, but just wanting to help. If that's the day that happened, again, that's only 6 days from the initial missing report. I wouldn't expect them to call the first or second or even 3rd day if they weren't sure they had anything important to share. Maybe they thought the police would come to them, since apparently they're one of only 2 close neighbors, if I understood that correctly. Maybe they really aren't that neighborly and don't even think about the kids, wouldn't be surprising, it's not like they live right next door, like in a little subdivision in town. Maybe they're reclusive introverts who had to be persuaded by their wife or whoever to report the tip. Nothing wrong with that, that's their right. But however it happened, they reported it, and there's no doubt in my mind that they told the truth and didn't get the day wrong, just a few days after this major event happened!

Moving onward, when the tip was made if of minor importance given the RCMP do not consider it a ‘key element’ to the case since they found no evidence to support it, whether we agree or not.

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX — Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May. Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review...

halifax.citynews.ca

“In an email on Tuesday, Bayers said police “found no evidence of any vehicle activity at that time. As such, no driver has been identified, and the presence of a vehicle has not been substantiated as a key element in the investigation.”

 

[tlcya]

https://archive.ph/ktf5s

Curious about your thoughts on the statements made in this article by Belynda Gray, Connie Brooks, and DM himself. The part about him being controlling/abusive to MBM, MBM confiding in family that DM was addicted to drugs and DM's self confessed past methamphetamine usage?

 

[sunspun]

Are there laws and statutes about fly dumping in that region? If a run to get rid of accumulated garbage or debris and done in the dead of night was someone fly dumping and therefore wanted to do so under cover of darkness and then in light of missing children didn't want to admit that?

I'm sorry, but if the police found out that he or anyone who just reported children missing had made "trash runs" to the local dump or out in the woods or wherever, the night before they were reported missing, I would expect them to find that highly suspicious and for that person to be an official POI based on that info alone.

 

[MistyWaters]

Curious about your thoughts on the statements made in this article by Belynda Gray, Connie Brooks, and DM himself. The part about him being controlling/abusive to MBM, MBM confiding in family that DM was addicted to drugs and DM's self confessed past methamphetamine usage?

I’m very surprised MBM didn’t file spousal abuse charges against DM or at least seek help if that information is true but perhaps it wasn’t a good time in her life either. It saddens me, several people surrounding the family and speaking out now but nobody seemed to have noticed they needed support when it was most needed, including CWS who could’ve removed the children from the home. But I’m not going to make a huge speculative leap from that article onto the parents must be responsible for the children’s deaths. I just don’t know nor is it for me to judge.

 

[sunspun]

“In an email on Tuesday, Bayers said police “found no evidence of any vehicle activity at that time. As such, no driver has been identified, and the presence of a vehicle has not been substantiated as a key element in the investigation.”

which, again, does not mean no vehicle activity happened from or near their property that night. It certainly does not rule it out for me, and it doesn't make the neighbor's info less credible for me. I understand that it does for you though. Not a problem.

 

[tlcya]

I'm sorry, but if the police found out that he or anyone who just reported children missing had made "trash runs" to the local dump or out in the woods or wherever, the night before they were reported missing, I would expect them to find that highly suspicious and for that person to be an official POI based on that info alone.

I agree, which is why I wondered if that could be behind MBM saying DM stayed up late that night, commonly did projects around the house in the late evening, said DM told her he would tidy up but no evidence existed of such efforts in her mind when she awoke the next morning, while DM claimed to have gone to bed, relatively early that night.

Given DM's (IMO) highly defensive statements from the get go I have to wonder if he would have motivation to lie about his activities that night because they might be considered "highly suspicious".

 

[MistyWaters]

which, again, does not mean no vehicle activity happened from or near their property that night. It certainly does not rule it out for me, and it doesn't make the neighbor's info less credible for me. I understand that it does for you though. Not a problem.

The reason it doesn’t IMO is because those who know the specifics are the two parties directly involved - it’s between the police and the tipster. The tipster has every right to speak out if he still feels his tip was mistakenly dismissed. That would be the only time I’d expect the RCMP to publicly respond with details of their review. Meanwhile it’s yet another example of what we don’t know and cannot prove.
JMO

 

[sunspun]

I agree, which is why I wondered if that could be behind MBM saying DM stayed up late that night, commonly did projects around the house in the late evening, said DM told her he would tidy up but no evidence existed of such efforts in her mind when she awoke the next morning, while DM claimed to have gone to bed, relatively early that night.

Given DM's (IMO) highly defensive statements from the get go I have to wonder if he would have motivation to lie about his activities that night because they might be considered "highly suspicious.

That has always seemed so very strange to me, what she said about what she knew or didn't know of Daniel's actions that night before they reported them missing. That is the night she's referring to, right? When she said she went to bed around 9pm, I think, and that DM said he might stay up and clean house for awhile, but when she got up, she said it was obvious he hadn't done any housecleaning, so SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE'D DONE THAT NIGHT.

How suspicious does that sound! The night before the kids disappeared?? Why would she say that if not to throw him under the bus, or at least right in front of the bus?? Maybe it wasn't explicit, but it definitely to me had implications, none of which made DM look good at all. Maybe it was just the way the questions were asked of her, and maybe she didn't actually volunteer it like that, but it sure came out sounding to me like she was sharing details that called his innocence into question.

According to him, what time did he go to bed? I know he said he worked on the fence, but I don't know if that was after dark or not.

Her public statement the next day to me sounded so scripted, rehearsed, like she was trying hard to tell it like they had agreed to tell it, getting all the details right and not leaving out anything she was "supposed" to put in. And not only that, but she seemed terrified to me, and like she was only barely managing to hold herself together.

I've mostly thought all along that the kids did just wander off into those awful woods and got lost and perished in the elements, but more and more things keep coming out that sound too suspicious, and I'm finding it harder to believe that now. But once you've begun to think things, every little thing starts to sound suspicious, so I don't even know how to look at any of it anymore. I just wish something would happen to end this sad story.

 

[tlcya]

That has always seemed so very strange to me, what she said about what she knew or didn't know of Daniel's actions that night before they reported them missing. That is the night she's referring to, right? When she said she went to bed around 9pm, I think, and that DM said he might stay up and clean house for awhile, but when she got up, she said it was obvious he hadn't done any housecleaning, so SHE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE'D DONE THAT NIGHT.

How suspicious does that sound! The night before the kids disappeared?? Why would she say that if not to throw him under the bus, or at least right in front of the bus?? Maybe it wasn't explicit, but it definitely to me had implications, none of which made DM look good at all. Maybe it was just the way the questions were asked of her, and maybe she didn't actually volunteer it like that, but it sure came out sounding to me like she was sharing details that called his innocence into question.

According to him, what time did he go to bed? I know he said he worked on the fence, but I don't know if that was after dark or not.

Her public statement the next day to me sounded so scripted, rehearsed, like she was trying hard to tell it like they had agreed to tell it, getting all the details right and not leaving out anything she was "supposed" to put in. And not only that, but she seemed terrified to me, and like she was only barely managing to hold herself together.

I've mostly thought all along that the kids did just wander off into those awful woods and got lost and perished in the elements, but more and more things keep coming out that sound too suspicious, and I'm finding it harder to believe that now. But once you've begun to think things, every little thing starts to sound suspicious, so I don't even know how to look at any of it anymore. I just wish something would happen to end this sad story.

yes, MBM first claimed to have put the children down and gone to bed herself around 9. She later revised that time when shown that the family did not get home from their errands until around 10pm. He can't recall what time he went to bed but stated it was "fairly early"

 

[Andreee]

Because human memory is fallible. Also, it seems they talked anoit it before going to the police, so the mistake of one of thrm could have influenced the other.

which, again, does not mean no vehicle activity happened from or near their property that night. It certainly does not rule it out for me, and it doesn't make the neighbor's info less credible for me. I understand that it does for you though. Not a problem.

I agree with you completely. Let's all move on from this particular point lol.

 

[MistyWaters]

I don’t know why I had the impression that MBM continued to confide with BG after the children went missing but it appears that’s not true. That being the case and given her son had long ago relinquished his custodial rights, her chances of guardianship over missing children are next to none.
JMO

Grandmother of missing N.S. children says she’ll ‘never stop speaking out’

Almost six months after Lilly and Jack Sullivan disappeared, their grandmother Belynda Gray is still looking for answers - and accountability.

www.ctvnews.ca

“After Brooks-Murray left Pictou County, Gray says her relationship with the children’s mother declined.

“She stopped contacting us,” Gray said. “I tried calling her. I texted. I even checked Facebook, but she had blocked me.”…..

…….”She is pursuing guardianship over her grandchildren’s records – a step she hopes will allow her to access files from child protection services and their school to understand what led up to the days before they went missing.

“I want to see what CPS had, the school had,” she said. “I want to know who’s to blame here.”

 

[tlcya]

I don’t know why I had the impression that MBM continued to confide to BG after the children went missing but it appears that’s not true. That being the case and given her son had long ago relinquished his custodial rights, her chances of guardianship over missing children are next to none.
JMO

Grandmother of missing N.S. children says she’ll ‘never stop speaking out’

Almost six months after Lilly and Jack Sullivan disappeared, their grandmother Belynda Gray is still looking for answers - and accountability.

www.ctvnews.ca

“After Brooks-Murray left Pictou County, Gray says her relationship with the children’s mother declined.

“She stopped contacting us,” Gray said. “I tried calling her. I texted. I even checked Facebook, but she had blocked me.”…..

…….”She is pursuing guardianship over her grandchildren’s records – a step she hopes will allow her to access files from child protection services and their school to understand what led up to the days before they went missing.

“I want to see what CPS had, the school had,” she said. “I want to know who’s to blame here.”

yes, IMO, BG has a personal motivation to put the worst complexion on confidences MBM may have shared with her in the past. Not saying she has done that, just saying I could see people finding her less than credible for that reason.

However, I can find no reason to disbelieve MBM's own paternal grandmother, Connie, who from all reports was/is close with her granddaughter and has been very helpful to the little family. I can't imagine why she would be anything less than truthful when recounting DM allegedly controlling MBM, holding her down, taking her phone, etc.

ETA It was also Connie who claims MBM told her DM had concealed a drug addiction for over a year. That coupled with DM's doth protest too much denials of any addiction and explanation of him attending NarcAnon 3 times a week and taking classes, including anger management, being just to clear his name for CPS, make me think where there is smoke there is a fire. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

From that same link above. Every time BG has spoken out I always get the impression the onus fell on MBM to arrange visits between the children and grandma. So I just wanted to add, from my own experience, if a two-way connection isn’t happening it can appear grandma is reluctant or being inconvenienced if she’s never the one who takes the initiative to invite the children over. Especially considering her son already chose not to have anything to do with his biological children. So JMO but I can’t blame MBM from dropping away from organizing these visits, unfortunate if outside social connections were lacking. It’s unfair if the situation reflects negatively on MBM. JMO

From the above CTV link -
Gray says her relationship with their mother, Maleyha Brooks-Murray, became distant over time before the children went missing, as Brooks-Murray moved to rural Pictou County and didn’t always have access to cell service.

A few weeks before the children disappeared, Gray says Brooks-Murray called her, cheerful and apologetic for being late with getting in touch.

“She said she thought she’d bring the kids by for a visit.”

The call, Gray says, was in March, but the visit never happened.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I really dont see why they would get the day mixed up. Especially since there are two of them mentioning it. Just my opinion.

I am one of those people who can't remember what I ate for dinner a day or two ago lol... I get days mixed up all the time (I blame my children's busy schedules to keep me spinning though)!

MOO I think it's easy to get dates/times mixed up, but that's just me. Also, if any of the witnesses were under any influence of: lack of sleep/exhausted, drugs or alcohol they might be fuzzy. All JMO

 

[su5ie]

Is it your belief that when someone calls in a tip in a case that receives hundreds of tips into the hotline set up for that case their statement is taken by investigators during that initial call? Such that a caller's tip is investigated in real time, same day?

My understanding is that the caller's contact information is collected along with some basic notes about what the caller is reporting. Then the tips are assigned to investigators to follow up on by interviewing the tipster. It seems logical to me that tips may or may not be followed up on same day depending on the number of investigators available, the volume of tips received and how investigators then prioritize their tips for follow up?

I could be wrong I suppose, in assuming that the day a tipster is interviewed may not be the same day they actually reached out to LE.
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Police have followed up on tips from the public, saying they have received more than 355 so far.

They also say they have interviewed more than 50 people, and have more interviews planned in the coming days.

Few other details about the investigation have been released.
Missing N.S. children were seen day before disappearance: police published May 28th and describes the volume of tips and the number of interviews conducted at that point.

I also recall the witness that made the report about curl haired woman and gold / tan sedan was not interviewed until circa end of May beginning of June

From memory recall and linked previously