GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Probable Cause Affidavit

Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Department Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Media Guide to the Idaho Courts

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: [email protected]
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[Hazelnutty]

It's my opinion that BK is an abnormal predatory subhuman species that should never have contact with any person whatsoever. ( impossible & ridiculous, I know)
Prison is far too good for him. Like Mr Gonzales said, "It's nothing more than a daycare." (Paraphrasing)

 

[snooptroop88]

Have been trying and trying to locate the post where someone mentioned the prison BK would maybe go to, and I'm having a terrible time finding it. Okay, here we go @SteveP :

Unless he is incarcerated out of state, and I do not know why he would be, I would guess he will end up here, in Idaho Maximum Security Institution, in Kuna, about 19 miles from Boise. Built in 1989, it looks, at least from the outside, like far better facilities than many prisons. My state's maximum security men's prison was opened in 1884.

Idaho Maximum Security Institution (IMSI)​

IMSI opened in November 1989 to confine Idaho's most disruptive male residents. It has a capacity of 549 residents and is located within a double perimeter fence reinforced with razor wire and an electronic detection system. The population is primarily comprised of close custody and administrative segregation residents. IMSI also operates the state Secure Mental Health Facility, which houses residents under the sentence of death, and residents who are Idaho Security Medical Program (ISMP)

Idaho Maximum Security Institution (IMSI) | Idaho Department of Correction

www.idoc.idaho.gov

I would think so as well, that this seems like where he'd end up. This is where men's Idaho Death Row is, right? (But not every inmate is on Death Row there) BK really ought to be on Death Row, so this facility seems like it would probably be the place. Does anyone else think BK's a high escape risk? I do. (But not at this facility.)

One hour of exercise a day, per some sources. Looking at a video of the place now, like a tour of cell in solitary. Like something out of Silence of the Lambs. Not quite, but reasonably close.

 

[jcamh]

At this point, I don’t think we know exactly where or when the DD driver encountered BK.

Here’s what we know for sure:

According to this court doc, BK’s car was caught on the 1112 King Road security camera leaving the area of 1122 King Road at 3:58 am and returning to the area at 4:04 am.

We also know the DD driver dropped off Xana’s order at 3:59 am.

Finally, during today’s court hearing, Bill Thompson told us that shortly after 4:05 am, BK parked behind and above the house at 1122 King Road, where we’ve speculated that BK spied on Maddie during one or more of his 23 previous visits to the area near the house.

I think it most likely that BK saw the DD driver’s car parked in the front driveway of the house with her lights still on (or he saw her pulling into the driveway) before 3:58 am, and that’s why he left the area at that time.

When he returned at 4:04 am, she had already delivered Xana’s food and left.

An alternative scenario might be that just as BK left the area at 3:58 am, the DoorDash driver drove into the area. So the two cars passed each other going in opposite directions on Queen Road. The DD driver then continued to 1122 Kind Road and delivered the Xana’s food. I highly doubt she would park above and behind the house instead of right in front of it—she, unlike BK, had nothing to hide.

I also think the DD driver left the area soon after dropping off Xana’s order. What woman wants to stick around in the dark with no one around? Perhaps she left as late as 4:04 am and passed BK the first or second time, traveling in the opposite direction on Queen Road.

Another reason I think the DD driver left no later than 4:04 am is that she was quickly ruled out as a suspect. If she had been perched behind the house alongside BK at any point after his last entry into the neighborhood before the homicides, I doubt she would have been cleared so quickly.

At any rate, and luckily for her mental health, it doesn’t matter anymore when or where the DD driver encountered BK’s car since he pleaded guilty earlier today.

It still would be nice to know, I agree!

IMOO

The DDD could easily have been victim #1 given the timing. He would have to realize that she could ID the color of his car and wonder if she saw him get out in that all black outfit. There's no way, he wouldn't have killed her if he knew she was there and could have seen him.

 

[jcamh]

Have been trying and trying to locate the post where someone mentioned the prison BK would maybe go to, and I'm having a terrible time finding it. Okay, here we go @SteveP :

I would think so as well, that this seems like where he'd end up. This is where men's Idaho Death Row is, right? (But not every inmate is on Death Row there) BK really ought to be on Death Row, so this facility seems like it would probably be the place. Does anyone else think BK's a high escape risk? I do. (But not at this facility.)

One hour of exercise a day, per some sources. Looking at a video of the place now, like a tour of cell in solitary. Like something out of Silence of the Lambs. Not quite, but reasonably close.

If he tries to get make a case for being imprisoned in PA so he can see his family, the families will raise you know what. "Why should he be given special placement so he can get to see his family when they will never get to see their families again." That will be the argument against him going there. However, He could be sent to that Super Max prison in Colorado that all of the infamous killers are sent to. Being sent there would be additional punishment on top of life in prison.

 

[LinasK]

Have been trying and trying to locate the post where someone mentioned the prison BK would maybe go to, and I'm having a terrible time finding it. Okay, here we go @SteveP :

I would think so as well, that this seems like where he'd end up. This is where men's Idaho Death Row is, right? (But not every inmate is on Death Row there) BK really ought to be on Death Row, so this facility seems like it would probably be the place. Does anyone else think BK's a high escape risk? I do. (But not at this facility.)

One hour of exercise a day, per some sources. Looking at a video of the place now, like a tour of cell in solitary. Like something out of Silence of the Lambs. Not quite, but reasonably close.

Check out the Snake River Correctional Facility on the Oregon/Idaho border.

 

[Boxer]

I think that Mr Gonzales needs an intervention from someone(s) he respects. His rage is consuming him. My heart hurts for him, as well as for the other families.
Everyone processes grief and loss differently. I can't put myself in his shoes & I'm on the outside looking in, but I can't help but be concerned @ his demeanor and actions.
It's absolutely overwhelming to even imagine being the parent of a child who is murdered.
I appreciate all of you for keeping these threads active and updated with facts and commentary.

JMOHOs

SG was also publicly railing on the MPD all the while they were solving the crime.

 

[jcamh]

Perhaps.

It would alleviate our curiosity, but IMO as it’s no longer needed to secure a conviction, I wonder if Idaho will invest the time and money necessary to find it, if Bryan disposed of it in a lake or a garbage container or another place where it won’t be easily found by now.

If Bryan were to say it’s in the right-hand drawer in his bedroom, then sure, but we know it wasn’t found in any obvious place that was searched by LE.

JMO

To find something like a knife or gun, they would use sonar and drop large magnets off the sides of boats and drag it along the bottom of the area where those two rivers intersect. Of course, there's no telling how far it traveled if the current was swift.

 

[mickey2942]

I guess, in a way, this is really BK's ultimate power move. He "stole" the victims families their opportunity to have the highest punishment inflicted on him. No wonder Steve Goncalves is angry and frustrated. He wanted BK to have the "Death Penalty". And BK outmaneuvered him.

 

[Ssschu]

I guess, in a way, this is really BK's ultimate power move. He "stole" the victims families their opportunity to have the highest punishment inflicted on him. No wonder Steve Goncalves is angry and frustrated. He wanted BK to have the "Death Penalty". And BK outmaneuvered him.

Yep!! BK was given the opportunity to re-victimize every single one of them. Disgusting!

 

[jcamh]

I share your wish that BK had been required to provide the location of the murder weapon and his motive for murdering at least one of the students.

However, I think that Bill Thompson implied during today’s court hearing where the State thinks BK deposited the murder weapon: in one of Idaho’s rivers.

I can now easily report the relevant part of today’s hearing now that the transcript is available (of course it appeared shortly after I spent an hour—well, it seemed that long, at least, lol—transcribing a very short part of the hearing myself to check the accuracy of my memory of Bill Thompson’s recitation of the events immediately before, during and after the murders):

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So, did BK really throw the murder weapon into either the Snake River or the Clear Water River in Lewiston, Idaho—the state’s seaport? Only BK knows (unless, of course, Bill Thompson is being coy).

Was anyone else surprised by how little new evidence was revealed during today’s hearing?

We now know that BK parked in the elevated parking area behind the house (as many speculated here), that police found a bucket of cleaner right next to BK’s car (love that little detail!), and that his car was meticulously cleaned (as stated in the first Dateline episode about the murders).

Perhaps Bill Thompson revealed so little new evidence, sticking mostly to what we already knew, so he could tamp down the media response until after BK is sentenced and the gag order is lifted.

IMO

I hope the judge includes a caveat as part of BK's sentence that he can't profit from his crimes. Of course, plenty of other people will profit from the crimes including people writing books, doing TV documentaries, influencers making internet content. It's so unfortunate that people will do anything to make money, even if it's made off the murders of 4 young people.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Just random thoughts.

I've pondered at great length what I would do if I were in the families' shoes, and concluded I would not have advocated the death penalty.

The DP comes with so many automatic appeals that the case could drag on for decades before the punishment was carried out, if ever.

During those decades, the killer could maintain a shred of hope, however tiny, that his sentence might eventually be reduced or even vacated on a technicality.

And witnesses would have to testify over and over again during the numerous appeals sure to come, and relive their trauma constantly instead of having the chance to put it behind them.

This way is better, I think. The killer has no hope left for freedom, and the witnesses can try to put this trauma in the rearview mirror and heal as much as possible.

 

[Sundog]

Yep!! BK was given the opportunity to re-victimize every single one of them. Disgusting!

That's not how a couple of the families of the victims saw it. Maddie's mother stated through her attorney that she 100 percent supported the plea deal. And Ethan's parents stated that they supported the plea deal as well. They clearly did not feel "re-victimized."

 

[Ssschu]

That's not how a couple of the families of the victims saw it. Maddie's mother stated through her attorney that she 100 percent supported the plea deal. And Ethan's parents stated that they supported the plea deal as well. They clearly did not feel "re-victimized."

Plenty of people clearly DO feel re-victimized. Don't dismiss them and what they're going through.

 

[jcamh]

Here's my question after today's hearing: BK confessed to all 4 murders and they were ALL PREMEDITATED. My original assumption was that he went there to possibly SA and kill MM, and then he found both MM and KG in the same bed, which ruined his plan. So, he stabbed MM which she woke up screaming and KG started fighting him and he killed her. Then, he was going to leave and XK saw him come down the stairs so he had to kill her, too. But if EC was asleep, he didn't have to kill him because he had not seen or heard anything.

So, I was curious to hear that he went there with premedication of killing everyone in the house or just those 4? One thing I remember is that DM's room was originally on the first floor, but then, she moved up to the second floor. So, I really don't think he saw DM standing in the darkened doorway that was only slightly opened or without a doubt, he would have killed her too. He may not have even known that she switched bedrooms. If his plan was to kill everyone in the house, he would have gone downstairs to kill both DM and B(can't remember last initial). Another thing I remember from the early days of this crime is that B(can't remember last initial) said her bedroom door was locked so he would have not been able to get in her door.

 

[jcamh]

Just random thoughts.

I've pondered at great length what I would do if I were in the families' shoes, and concluded I would not have advocated the death penalty.

The DP comes with so many automatic appeals that the case could drag on for decades before the punishment was carried out, if ever.

During those decades, the killer could maintain a shred of hope, however tiny, that his sentence might eventually be reduced or even vacated on a technicality.

And witnesses would have to testify over and over again during the numerous appeals sure to come, and relive their trauma constantly instead of having the chance to put it behind them.

This way is better, I think. The killer has no hope left for freedom, and the witnesses can try to put this trauma in the rearview mirror and heal as much as possible.

I feel the same. This will allow the families to start to heal from this awful crime they have lived for 2 and 1/2 years.

 

[Slamalam]

Does the title of this thread change to GUILTY now that he plead?

 

[LinasK]

Here's my question after today's hearing: BK confessed to all 4 murders and they were ALL PREMEDITATED. My original assumption was that he went there to possibly SA and kill MM, and then he found both MM and KG in the same bed, which ruined his plan. So, he stabbed MM which she woke up screaming and KG started fighting him and he killed her. Then, he was going to leave and XK saw him come down the stairs so he had to kill her, too. But if EC was asleep, he didn't have to kill him because he had not seen or heard anything.

So, I was curious to hear that he went there with premedication of killing everyone in the house or just those 4? One thing I remember is that DM's room was originally on the first floor, but then, she moved up to the second floor. So, I really don't think he saw DM standing in the darkened doorway that was only slightly opened or without a doubt, he would have killed her too. He may not have even known that she switched bedrooms. If his plan was to kill everyone in the house, he would have gone downstairs to kill both DM and B(can't remember last initial). Another thing I remember from the early days of this crime is that B(can't remember last initial) said her bedroom door was locked so he would have not been able to get in her door.

The premeditation was for the girls on the upper floor. Kaylee and Maddie. He wasn't expecting Xana and Ethan.

 

[Herat]

Just random thoughts.

I've pondered at great length what I would do if I were in the families' shoes, and concluded I would not have advocated the death penalty.

The DP comes with so many automatic appeals that the case could drag on for decades before the punishment was carried out, if ever.

During those decades, the killer could maintain a shred of hope, however tiny, that his sentence might eventually be reduced or even vacated on a technicality.

And witnesses would have to testify over and over again during the numerous appeals sure to come, and relive their trauma constantly instead of having the chance to put it behind them.

This way is better, I think. The killer has no hope left for freedom, and the witnesses can try to put this trauma in the rearview mirror and heal as much as possible.

Yes, the practicality of the death penalty and it's appeals seems to just draw the pain out longer for the relatives, and they still don't get the real closure, as it will take decades to get past it all to execution.

Personally, I just don't think they can get the kind of revenge they would like.

 

[Sundog]

Here's my question after today's hearing: BK confessed to all 4 murders and they were ALL PREMEDITATED. My original assumption was that he went there to possibly SA and kill MM, and then he found both MM and KG in the same bed, which ruined his plan. So, he stabbed MM which she woke up screaming and KG started fighting him and he killed her. Then, he was going to leave and XK saw him come down the stairs so he had to kill her, too. But if EC was asleep, he didn't have to kill him because he had not seen or heard anything.

So, I was curious to hear that he went there with premedication of killing everyone in the house or just those 4? One thing I remember is that DM's room was originally on the first floor, but then, she moved up to the second floor. So, I really don't think he saw DM standing in the darkened doorway that was only slightly opened or without a doubt, he would have killed her too. He may not have even known that she switched bedrooms. If his plan was to kill everyone in the house, he would have gone downstairs to kill both DM and B(can't remember last initial). Another thing I remember from the early days of this crime is that B(can't remember last initial) said her bedroom door was locked so he would have not been able to get in her door.

He didn't necessarily go to the house with advanced premeditation to kill all the four victims, premeditation can be an instant before a murder, so that would likely pertain to the murder of Ethan, and perhaps other victims he killed that night. BK had the intent to kill, which is premeditation, even if decided in an instant.