Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

  • #201
Prayer Vigils: Do they come with directions, or a standard way they should be conducted?
You pray aloud, I pray silently; you raise your hands, I fold mine in front of me.

It's too bad that a few vocal people who didn't come to pray are ruining it for everyone else.
 
  • #202
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Say what now????

That's......unusual.

General comment: thinking that prayer vigils should be about prayer != defending the parents' actions or inactions.

In nowhere does it say the 8 year old was there for the search. For all we know, her "taking part" was sitting at home coloring posters to put up in the neighborhood for this child.
 
  • #203
wow....Edith has certainly drawn the wrath of many, here. Why is that? Are DB and JI really that precious that in order to defend them Edith must be destroyed?? Really??
 
  • #204
I guess I would first ask you to display some sort of proof on these allegations. Video, legal documentation showing this prayer group has;

trepessed, harassed, loitered, been charged with disorderly conduct, or showing they have been charged with disturbing the peace.

I personally posted city code the other day only after contacting the city clerk via telephone in regards to a prayer vigil, public easement and the laws. It was explained to me in great detail what the codes were for such an event. Furthermore, what you are alleging took place would have taken place when they had prior permission to enter the property that exceeded the 4' public easement which would not warrant charges.

If you want the number to the City Clerk's Office of Kansas City Missouri I will be happy to post it again, you could refer back to my post, or you can look it up on kcmo.org

The only real violation I see at the residence (and this one is in the codes enforcement guide online is well), is a sign ordinance.

Realistically, they could even post "No Trespessing" signs in the yard, but that still doesn't cover the public easement.

I metal detect as a hobby, and not that I've done it but I know a group who has in the past, they can metal detect within the easement along the property next to the road and dig holes to search for coins and jewlery. Once again, not something I endorse but it's legal.

Not trying to argue but I do want to say I don't think they would have room in the easement of the property to do a prayer vigil. They were on the Irwin's front lawn at night close to the house. They maybe could line up at the easement but even then if they just stood there talking and it disturbed neighbors I am pretty sure LE would ask them to leave.
 
  • #205
Have you seen the birthday vigil video?

Praying is one thing, flipping out another.

ALSO, It's NOT her front lawn. If she wants to have a vigil do it on her own front lawn, go to where Erica Green's vigils were held. NOT the Irwins' lawn.

Who cares? If they are concerned about finding Lisa then they should be down at police headquarters answering questions, instead of making a big deal about the local character that seems a little too involved. Why is Edith even on their radar? It seems they would have bigger fish to fry. If is was me, and my child was missing, this would be a very minor thing. Seems to be the opinion of other people who have had missing children as well.

MOO
 
  • #206
I guess I would first ask you to display some sort of proof on these allegations. Video, legal documentation showing this prayer group has;

trepessed, harassed, loitered, been charged with disorderly conduct, or showing they have been charged with disturbing the peace.

I personally posted city code the other day only after contacting the city clerk via telephone in regards to a prayer vigil, public easement and the laws. It was explained to me in great detail what the codes were for such an event. Furthermore, what you are alleging took place would have taken place when they had prior permission to enter the property that exceeded the 4' public easement which would not warrant charges.

If you want the number to the City Clerk's Office of Kansas City Missouri I will be happy to post it again, you could refer back to my post, or you can look it up on kcmo.org

The only real violation I see at the residence (and this one is in the codes enforcement guide online is well), is a sign ordinance.

Realistically, they could even post "No Trespessing" signs in the yard, but that still doesn't cover the public easement.

I metal detect as a hobby, and not that I've done it but I know a group who has in the past, they can metal detect within the easement along the property next to the road and dig holes to search for coins and jewlery. Once again, not something I endorse but it's legal.
What I posted came directly from kcmo.org. What you posted, you said it was Charter & Code 50-155
This is Charter & Code 50-155 per kcmo.org
Sec. 50-155. - Same—Issuance of proclamation of emergency; powers of mayor under proclamation of emergency.
Whenever, in the judgment of the mayor, a state of major emergency or disaster as the terms are defined by section 2-85, Code of Ordinances, is imminent or exists, or an emergency exists as a result of mob action, riots, general civil disobedience or disorder, the mayor shall, in addition to all other powers granted by the laws of this state and the Charter and ordinances of the city, be empowered to issue a proclamation declaring a state of emergency to exist, and may thereby exercise the powers granted in the following subsections as necessary to protect people and property:​
(1)
To temporarily waive routine administrative and budgetary requirements that may impede the effective delivery of essential public services.
(2)
To order the evacuation of areas where there is a threat to public health and safety, and to designate any public place, public street, thoroughfare, boulevard or parking area and any other place closed to motor vehicles, persons and pedestrian traffic;
(3)
To impose a curfew upon all or any portion of the city as designated therein as the mayor may deem advisable during such hours of the day or night as the mayor determines necessary in the interest of the public safety and welfare, and during which all persons shall remove themselves to their places of residence and remain off and away from the public streets, sidewalks, parkways, parks and all other public or open places, and no persons shall assemble, gather, loiter or otherwise congregate in any manner in groups, assemblies or meetings in any place for any purpose whatsoever; provided, however, that persons performing medical services, essential public utility services, public officials, police officers, firefighters, and all other persons explicitly enumerated in such proclamation may be exempted from curfew;
(4)
To order the closing of any and all business establishments throughout the city or any portion thereof during the period for which the state of emergency exists or during the curfew hours;
(5)
To order the closing of all retail and wholesale liquor stores, taverns and other places dispensing, serving or permitting the consumption of intoxicating liquor or nonintoxicating beer;
(6)
To order the discontinuance of the sale, distribution or giving away of intoxicating or nonintoxicating liquors;
(7)
To order the closing of all private clubs or portions thereof wherein the consumption of intoxicating liquor or nonintoxicating beer is permitted;
(8)
To order the discontinuance of selling, distributing or giving away gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products in any container other than a gasoline tank properly affixed to a motor vehicle;
(9)
To order the closing of gasoline stations and other establishments, the chief activity of which is the sale, distribution or dispensing of gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products;
(10)
To order all regular, special and auxiliary police officers, firefighters and other conservators of the peace to report for duty assignment, such reporting to be in accordance with prearranged plans or under the direction of lawful authority.
(11)
To issue orders deemed necessary to protect life and property and to preserve critical resources within the purposes of this ordinance.
(c)
Any such proclamation of a state of emergency shall become immediately effective upon its execution and issuance by the mayor and the original thereof shall be filed and remain in the office of the city clerk.
(d)
The proclamation issued in accordance with the provisions of this section shall remain in effect continuously from the date and time of the issuance thereof for such period of time as specifically prescribed therein or upon the issuance of a proclamation determining an emergency no longer exists, whichever occurs first.
(e)
It shall be unlawful for any person to fail, neglect or refuse to comply with the order made or prohibitions instituted by a proclamation issued under the provisions of this section, or for any person to otherwise violate or in any manner aid, assist, encourage, or support the commission or perpetration of a violation of such proclamation, and upon conviction thereof any such person shall be punished by a fine of not less than $25.00 and not more than $500.00, or by imprisonment in the municipal penal correctional institution for a period of time not less than one day and not more than six months. For the purpose of the prosecution of any person for the violation of this section, a copy of the proclamation of the mayor or a person authorized in subsection (a) certified by the city clerk to be a true and correct copy thereof shall be deemed to constitute prima facie evidence that such proclamation was duly issued by the mayor on the date and at the time set forth therein pursuant to the authority contained in this section.



I dont see how this applies.
 
  • #207
Snipped and bolded by me:



Say what now????

That's......unusual.

General comment: thinking that prayer vigils should be about prayer != defending the parents' actions or inactions.

Yes, that is unusual.
 
  • #208
In nowhere does it say the 8 year old was there for the search. For all we know, her "taking part" was sitting at home coloring posters to put up in the neighborhood for this child.

"They took part in the gruesome search for the girl’s missing head."
 
  • #209
In nowhere does it say the 8 year old was there for the search. For all we know, her "taking part" was sitting at home coloring posters to put up in the neighborhood for this child.

Windy asked her mother what they could do to help, and together they became immersed in the case of the unknown child, decapitated and dumped in a wooded area near Swope Park.

They took part in the gruesome search for the girl’s missing head. Later, after someone found it, they became involved in the group dedicated to learning who Precious Doe was and who would do something so horrible.



Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/03/3303813/mother-who-knows-pain-of-an-unsolved.html#ixzz1fnby77eC

it says they so I would assume they was Edith and her daughter.
 
  • #210
In nowhere does it say the 8 year old was there for the search. For all we know, her "taking part" was sitting at home coloring posters to put up in the neighborhood for this child.

Excerpted from the linked article:

Windy asked her mother what they could do to help, and together they became immersed in the case of the unknown child, decapitated and dumped in a wooded area near Swope Park.

They took part in the gruesome search for the girl’s missing head. Later, after someone found it, they became involved in the group dedicated to learning who Precious Doe was and who would do something so horrible.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/03/3303813/mother-who-knows-pain-of-an-unsolved.html#ixzz1fnbuvi5m


Perhaps it is misleading reporting, but the repeated use of the words 'they' and 'together' certainly makes it seem as if the 8-year old was personally involved in searching.

Edit: x-post with Nixie!
 
  • #211
wow....Edith has certainly drawn the wrath of many, here. Why is that? Are DB and JI really that precious that in order to defend them Edith must be destroyed?? Really??

bbm no but I think in this case especially facts are very important.
 
  • #212
I'm thinking that these prayer vigils were really cramping DB's "adult time". Maybe if a group of people showed up at the Irwin house with a couple boxes of wine that they would be welcomed. Hey, you never know what could be revealed after a few glasses. As the saying goes: "Loose lips, sinks ships!".
 
  • #213
What I posted came directly from kcmo.org. What you posted, you said it was Charter & Code 50-155
This is Charter & Code 50-155 per kcmo.org



I dont see how this applies.

My appologies

50-15
This is why you have to CALL the city. They will explain this to you in great detail.
 
  • #214
  • #215
Excerpted from the linked article:

Windy asked her mother what they could do to help, and together they became immersed in the case of the unknown child, decapitated and dumped in a wooded area near Swope Park.

They took part in the gruesome search for the girl’s missing head. Later, after someone found it, they became involved in the group dedicated to learning who Precious Doe was and who would do something so horrible.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/03/3303813/mother-who-knows-pain-of-an-unsolved.html#ixzz1fnbuvi5m


Perhaps it is misleading reporting, but the repeated use of the words 'they' and 'together' certainly makes it seem as if the 8-year old was personally involved in searching.

Edit: x-post with Nixie!

You know, if the 8yr old felt it was important to be part of a search, who are we to say? If my kids wanted to go take part in a search for Sky, I might let them, because I think it's important that they feel they can contribute to something for the greater good. I would hope they they weren't the ones that found anything grisly, but if they felt strongly about searching, I would let them.

Again, I don't understand why we are trying to crucify Edith.. . .in the name of DB and JI's innocence? Really? Do people really feel strongly enough about that to drag some poor woman through the mud?

Here's an idea! DB and JI can hoof it down to police headquarters with their attorneys and answer their questions. Then all of this peripheral drama can stop. :waitasec:
 
  • #216
I'm thinking that these prayer vigils were really cramping DB's "adult time". Maybe if a group of people showed up at the Irwin house with a couple boxes of wine that they would be welcomed. Hey, you never know what could be revealed after a few glasses. As the saying goes: "Loose lips, sinks ships!".

:silly:

Shame.... :silly: ....shame..... :rolling: ....shame.... :silly: on you!
 
  • #217
  • #218
wow....Edith has certainly drawn the wrath of many, here. Why is that? Are DB and JI really that precious that in order to defend them Edith must be destroyed?? Really??

Not wrath. The woman is obviously in need of some mental health professional's assistance. Why should JI/DB have to condone this woman standing on their front lawn? Why doesn't everyone see that Edith's meltdown is a sign that she needs help? Why doesn't someone have a vigil for her?

Seriously, condoning/abetting a mentally distressed woman's behavior all for the sake of sticking it to JI/DB is not a good thing.
 
  • #219
You know, if the 8yr old felt it was important to be part of a search, who are we to say? If my kids wanted to go take part in a search for Sky, I might let them, because I think it's important that they feel they can contribute to something for the greater good. I would hope they they weren't the ones that found anything grisly, but if they felt strongly about searching, I would let them.

Again, I don't understand why we are trying to crucify Edith.. . .in the name of DB and JI's innocence? Really? Do people really feel strongly enough about that to drag some poor woman through the mud?

Here's an idea! DB and JI can hoof it down to police headquarters with their attorneys and answer their questions. Then all of this peripheral drama can stop. :waitasec:

You would take an eight year old on a search for the head of a decapitated little girl? Really?
 
  • #220
Where is the compassion for this woman who acts relentlessly to find a missing child? Where is the compassion that she is motivated and feels a need to do this? and finally where is the compassion for the woman who lost a child herself at the hands of another?

I don't get this at all. It wouldn't have taken much to come out and speak with this woman. Has the parents of Lisa ever spoken to her, or thanked her for her generousity and endless effort to help? It wouldn't take much to calm her down.

Apparently the parents of Lisa aren't interested in her or her efforts but are highly concerned for their own image. I can assume because the parents have not spoken that this group of people have become highly suspicious. Once again, the parents don't seem to get it. Their needs come first. They paint themselves as selfish and not conerned to the world and they cover it up by stating it is for their sons. I call horse hash on their excuse. The boys aren't the ones who are scared, it's the parents and for good reason.
 

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