Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[Whisperer]

I wonder why Samantha B has not made an appearance. She is sticking by DB if you can believe what you hear. If the rumor is fact, why wouldn't DB discuss lisa's abduction with Samantha B? According to sources DB (the chatterbox) has not discussed it with the young boys or her best friend. I need to get a flagpole for the Big Red Flag..

Did samantha really go on a liquor run? Did Phil drive her? Who are the parents protecting if it is not themselves? Neither one seem to be blaming the other...which would be the case in normal situations like this. If only one is involved, often they turn on each other...not get closer. They are finding protection in each other. Many married couples find it very difficult to be together after a death of a child. We now have another case where a BF & GF are stuck like glue to one another. Cummings did the same thing. There was something in it for him...and there is something in it for Irwin.

 

[Cazzie]

Wow. Easy, peeps...

What does TES or Mr. Miller have to do with any part of this thread?
TES is a professional search and rescue organization. They are not LE- and do not have anything to do with whether or not Lisa's parents are or are not answering vital questions for LE.

It seems to me that whether or not TES has been approached to help in the search for Lisa, it's neither here nor there in this thread... (Oriah scratches head?)

Here's why I think it's on-topic, but you'd have to read the whole discussion. And, of course, it's up to the Mods.

(SBM):

This seemingly off-topic discussion is really on-topic, IMO...becuz it relates to perhaps the same reason(s) that DB/JI are not answering vital questions (to LE), not meeting in person with LE since 10/8, and not meeting with LE separately since (I believe, not sure) 10/5 or 10/6. This same reason(s) is possibly why they (and rest of family) have not (as far as we know) asked Texas Equusearch to come.

What is the *real* reason? :waitasec:

And I should have been more specific...as far as we know, the family has not asked nor approved *any* professional SAR team to search for Lisa. I'm not lumping LE/FBI into that statement, and I'm aware that DB-and-or-JI gave permission for a few searches of their home and property (w/o search warrant), between 10/4-6.

On 10/6 (late afternoon), LE announced in a presser in front of the home that the parents were no longer cooperating. 10/7 the family announced they needed to rest for a day, then 10/8 they said they were exhausted and needed more rest, and also on 10/8 a law professor attended their last (and joint) sit-down-in-person with LE. I may be a day off since I'm not taking the time to look up all the dates, but all of this activity was well-documented with links to MSM and much discussion here back at the time.

 

[Whisperer]

Maybe DB is taking something from the CA case and being quiet, thinking she'll get a bigger payday when she finally does an interview.

 

[Whisperer]

Where is Sean B and where was his location on Oct 3rd? I know he was d/c'd in 2007 but had heard he joined the National Guard. Was he deployed?

I also heard he had an arrest/or a charge in the past few years. Can anyone elaborate on his status and his location at the time of the crime?

 

[cityslick]

Where is Sean B and where was his location on Oct 3rd? I know he was d/c'd in 2007 but had heard he joined the National Guard. Was he deployed?

I also heard he had an arrest/or a charge in the past few years. Can anyone elaborate on his status and his location at the time of the crime?

I don't think he can be sleuthed.

 

[Oriah]

Here's why I think it's on-topic, but you'd have to read the whole discussion. And, of course, it's up to the Mods.

(SBM):

And I should have been more specific...as far as we know, the family has not asked nor approved *any* professional SAR team to search for Lisa. I'm not lumping LE/FBI into that statement, and I'm aware that DB-and-or-JI gave permission for a few searches of their home and property (w/o search warrant), before 10/8 when they were seeking criminal attorneys and a law professor attended their last (and joint) sit-down-in-person with LE.

I did read through the entire discussion.
I'm still not sure what place TES or Mr. Miller has in it.

I think many people do not understand that often professional SAR organizations are not requested by LE, or families- or both- because the SAR resources needed are already there, and already being utilized by LE.

So to say that not requesting assistance of an outside SAR organization does not necessarily mean a family is not cooperating with LE.
Hope that makes sense.

 

[Whisperer]

Thanks City. Well that would be an interesting one to sleuth..

He was discharged in 2007. Not much info after 2009 but it's interesting. I don't like leaving stones unturned.

 

[Whisperer]

I don't think he can be sleuthed.

If I can link the Examiner, good info is there. It also said he did a Today Show Interview. I wasn't aware of that.

 

[cityslick]

If I can link the Examiner, good info is there. It also said he did a Today Show Interview. I wasn't aware of that.

I am aware of an interview he did (guess it was that one) but I don't think anything came out of it of note, other than the fact he had nothing negative to say of DB.

 

[Cazzie]

I did read through the entire discussion.
I'm still not sure what place TES or Mr. Miller has in it.

I think many people do not understand that often professional SAR organizations are not requested by LE, or families- or both- because the SAR resources needed are already there, and already being utilized by LE.

So to say that not requesting assistance of an outside SAR organization does not necessarily mean a family is not cooperating with LE.
Hope that makes sense.

BBM. If I understand that sentence, I never said that. I think you read between a few of my lines or misinterpreted Please read on.

Are you saying it's semantics? That the outside SAR organization(s) *offered* their assistance to LE, and thus were not requested by LE, making it unnecessary for either LE or a family (that wanted to find their MP) to make such a request? LOL. Touche, then. Geesh!

If so, it does makes sense. All most of us (non-insiders) have to go on is what's reported in MSM, especially here at WS where very little of non-MSM is even allowed to be discussed.

And again, the reason I was discussing this SAR tangent was to explore the possibility that if DB/JI did not request private/outside professional SAR assistance in finding their baby Lisa, it *may* be the same reason(s) that they haven't been answering vital questions (from LE). And I did say "if", "apparently", "possibly", etc.. IOW, it doesn't make sense that they would refuse to talk directly with LE anymore (since 10/8, 4 days after Lisa reportedly disappeared) and not actively *seek* outside professional SAR (and volunteer assistance of all kinds) in searching for their missing baby. If they wanted/want to find her, that is, regardless of whatever happened to her.

Last we heard in MSM, one of DB/JI's attorneys said that LE is free to submit a list of questions (for DB/JI) to the attorneys. IOW, no indication of a willingness to meet with LE in person, with attorney(s), either together or separately (DB/JI). At least not immediately, but perhaps in the vague, undetermined future.

Maybe they've hired PI's, IDK...but BS, apparently and IMO, has only spun to the media and taken the family and possible important witness SB on a several day Halloween getaway where ABC exclusively filmed the parents and boys. :angel: BS claimed to be a PI and maybe he is, but I think it was shown on another thread that he's not a licensed PI in MO.

It's all very suspicious, IMO.

 

[DeAnn]

Some local media are reporting this but LE has also said that NO ONE has been eliminated.

Perhaps LE should start with a joint interview w/lawyers and move on from there. Perhaps local media should also report that there is the right to not be interviewed.

Local DID report that. Sorry if you missed the story.

Obviously KCPD feels like a joint interview with compromise matters. Seems like standard police work to me when all eyes are on the parent who was home when one parent wasn't. If you have a joint interview, much harder to pick up on discrepancies etc.

 

[DeAnn]

DB said she has followed cases, she probably knows who Tim Miller and TES are.

Do you have a link for that? Thanks

 

[Whisperer]

The article states he is in the Army Reserve. I don't know how with the arrest he had. Regarding the Today Show, Sean B. did not appear; it was a voice over. I wonder if he is employed at all.

 

[Minette]

It's called experience. After awhile you get a real good feel for these cases. Of course, it stands to reason, that at some time you could get it wrong..but most of the time it turns out exactly as you called it. That guy in Detroit with the two yr old and the highjacking, failed the poly on the same questions that DB did. Everyone thinks he's guilty. He did not get a pass, yet many are seeing DB as not harming her daughter....same questions failed on poly.

Neither story believable but the white female gets a pass...

BBM: In other words, it's your opinion. I would like to think that all MY opinions are correct, too, but that isn't always the case. You need nothing more than a feeling, others need to see more evidence. That doesn't make either one right or wrong--all are entitled to their own opinions!

 

[natsound]

That's not entirely accurate. LE can ask for TES to assist. I guess LE feels that help from TES is not needed.



Tim Miller can handle any attacks in my opinion. Why can't "strangers" be involved with helping to find Lisa?

http://texasequusearch.org/report-a-person-missing/

I contacted TexasEquusearch today and found out that their assistance has not been requested. Here is what they tell me about their procedure:

The proper procedure for requesting our assistance is for the family to contact us, fill out and email a Missing Person Report (found on our website), email a picture in .jpg format, and contact law enforcement to let them know that they have requested our assistance. (We work with law enforcement, so we must have their approval.) At that point, we will evaluate the case to determine if we can provide any assistance. Alternatively, law enforcement can request our help.

 

[yllek]

I remember there was a LOT of controversy about TES during the Natalie Holloway case. Unless things have changed, TM is not universally loved and respected.

I don't remember what all the bickering was about, but I remember that at that point (5 years ago?) it was reported that TES had actually never found a body. Have they found one yet?
(Note: I have no opinion on TM - I just know that there might be people who don't think highly of him.)

BBM

I agree with Oriah that this is off topic for this thread. Just answering this question with info I recently pulled in relation to another case. If TES or any other search group is to be discussed further, probably better suited for the "Search" thread.

Anyway, here are the numbers on TES:
Texas EquuSearch has been involved in 1,225+ searches in approximately 42 states in the United States, Aruba, Sri Lanka, Mexico, Jamaica, Dominican Republic and Nicaragua. Our efforts have proven successful with returning over 300 missing people home to their families safely, many of which would have been deceased. Texas EquuSearch is responsible for recovering the remains of 125 missing loved ones, bringing closure to many families. Many of the 125 cases have resulted in criminal cases. At no time during any of the searches was evidence compromised by Texas EquuSearch. Therefore, the suspect(s) were brought to justice resulting in convictions. Additionally, Mr. Miller has been involved in several murder trials.
http://texasequusearch.org/category/located/

 

[In da Middle]

I contacted TexasEquusearch today and found out that their assistance has not been requested. Here is what they tell me about their procedure:

The proper procedure for requesting our assistance is for the family to contact us, fill out and email a Missing Person Report (found on our website), email a picture in .jpg format, and contact law enforcement to let them know that they have requested our assistance. (We work with law enforcement, so we must have their approval.) At that point, we will evaluate the case to determine if we can provide any assistance. Alternatively, law enforcement can request our help.

Why is eveybody acting like Tim Miller has the ONLY search group available? There have been at least 2 different SAR groups already here searching that are just, if not even more, capable of doing anything that his group can do. I have shared the names of these groups with Oriah and Sarx when they were here and have been assured that they are VERY capable.

 

[Minette]

Not to mention the FBI and the National Guard.

 

[DeAnn]

Don't forget the family has a private investigator who has not talked to a single witness..good going there Bill!

Speaking of Bill S. Where is he? Did he drop out of the race?

Yes he did. He talked to the teen whose mother had told police that she had heard someone say something that someone else had heard.

 

[Oriah]

BBM. If I understand that sentence, I never said that. I think you read between a few of my lines or misinterpreted Please read on.

Are you saying it's semantics? That the outside SAR organization(s) *offered* their assistance to LE, and thus were not requested by LE, making it unnecessary for either LE or a family (that wanted to find their MP) to make such a request? LOL. Touche, then. Geesh!

If so, it does makes sense. All most of us (non-insiders) have to go on is what's reported in MSM, especially here at WS where very little of non-MSM is even allowed to be discussed.

And again, the reason I was discussing this SAR tangent was to explore the possibility that if DB/JI did not request private/outside professional SAR assistance in finding their baby Lisa, it *may* be the same reason(s) that they haven't been answering vital questions (from LE). And I did say "if", "apparently", "possibly", etc.. IOW, it doesn't make sense that they would refuse to talk directly with LE anymore (since 10/8, 4 days after Lisa reportedly disappeared) and not actively *seek* outside professional SAR (and volunteer assistance of all kinds) in searching for their missing baby. If they wanted/want to find her, that is, regardless of whatever happened to her.

Last we heard in MSM, one of DB/JI's attorneys said that LE is free to submit a list of questions (for DB/JI) to the attorneys. IOW, no indication of a willingness to meet with LE in person, with attorney(s), either together or separately (DB/JI). At least not immediately, but perhaps in the vague, undetermined future.

Maybe they've hired PI's, IDK...but BS, apparently and IMO, has only spun to the media and taken the family and possible important witness SB on a several day Halloween getaway where ABC exclusively filmed the parents and boys. :angel: BS claimed to be a PI and maybe he is, but I think it was shown on another thread that he's not a licensed PI in MO.

It's all very suspicious, IMO.

BBM:
No.
I am saying that professional SAR should not (and usually does not) seek out cases. They've got enough going on without soliciting MP cases. They are typically contacted by family and/or LE- hopefully both.

Also, we do not know that this is the case. There are many situations where professional SAR is called in and the media does not, or cannot, report.

I understand your point, and don't necessarily disagree. But if the Irwins/Bradleys or LE did not request outside SAR assistance, there are many variables to be considered.