Poll: If an R confessed, would you accept it?

[BBB167893]

If an R really did it and wanted to confess they would have NO PROBLEM convincing authorities because they could explain stuff. Not everything but key stuff. Like where the cord and tape came from and where did it go. What hit JBR on the head. Stuff like that.

Now you're getting it.

Anyway the whole thing is a moot point because the R's have not waivered from an innocent position for a second, and all new information favors IDI.

Maybe. But I'm not completely convinced that it is totally moot. Who knows what the future may bring?

In truth, this thread was created as sort of a test. I wanted to see where everyone stood in relation to this issue. None of you let me down.

 

[BBB167893]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he involved in a criminal proceeding that involved the Globe, and there was a plea bargain where the State of Colorado agreed to drop a felony rap against the Globe guy if Globe agreed to pay $100,000 to a Colorado University?

I'm sorry but if thats true I don't think I want to know any more about it. I'll go along with whatever you say about how the R's went after Miller.

I think it would be best if we started a new thread.

 

[BBB167893]

They think it is saliva.

Last I knew, the only people saying that it was saliva were people working for the Rs. No one else said that. Whatever that does for you.

 

[BBB167893]

Dave,

I wish you would handle this one. I will touch on it.

Roy, there's an old saying: "be careful what you wish for; you just might get it."

Far as I know, there were attempts to claim that foreign fibers were found on JB. But Henry Lee wasn't too sure. He seemed to suggest that the tape on JB's mouth was a used piece. Moreover, someone mentioned a doll that had a body and clothing made out of those color fabrics.

They have said that some Ramsey fibers were found that make them raise their eyebrows.

You got that right.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I think it would be best if we started a new thread.

Have fun.

I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole...

 

[madeleine]

So....is it true that PR confessed to Pam Griffin that she wrote the practice note?Innocent exercise? :waitasec:

 

[madeleine]

Another thing...........do you really think a pedo would write 118,000.00??

First time I think about the .00

I wouldn't write it like this,would you?

 

[BBB167893]

Have fun.

I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole...

I know. And I'm very interested in why that is.

 

[DeeDee249]

I don't think it was ever stated exactly what the underwear DNA was. It was never stated by LE that it was saliva. It was mixed with JB's blood, but that simply means that her blood dripped onto the area where it was, not that the male DNA was itself blood.
As far as the fibers on JB and the crime scene- the fibers that I have seen all seem to have a definite or possible source from either a resident or item in the house.
The green plastic fibers in her hair could have come from either the fake green garland that was on the stair rails or from the basement floor (all the fake Christmas trees were stored in the basement).
The tan cotton fibers could have come from the American Girl doll if the tape had been pulled from the doll's neck. JB owned such a doll.
The dark wool fibers in the panties have been identified as coming from JR's wool shirt he wore that day.
The red fibers were identified as coming from Patsy's red sweater that she wore that day.
The dark terry fibers found on her thighs could have come from JR's terry robe found in the den.
If I've left any fibers out please feel free to add them.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Here's more fiber info. I think RDI has their versions and IDI has other versions. There are no independent media reports to refute these. Just opinion.

"Many hairs and fibers connected to the crime do not belong to the Ramseys or any other family member."


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/feb_13.html


"Brown cotton fibers on JonBenet's body, the paintbrush, the duct tape and on the ligature were not sourced and do not match anything in the Ramsey home. (SMF P 181; PSMF P 181.) (Carnes 2003:20).

Fibers on JBR Unmatched? However, it also has been reported “FBI analysis: FBI examiners said the fibers on JonBenet came from a source other than the pillow sham and comforter -- but none of them matched anything else in the house. "If the FBI examiner is right, the killer had to take that piece of material out with him," Smit said.”

http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/

 

[BBB167893]

And to that, all I will say is that our sources don't come from the media, as such. They come from the reps of the DA's office and the Rs themselves. I wouldn't trust the sources named above as far as I can throw an elephant by the trunk (for a couple of reasons).

 

[Roy23]

I think the point that we should all accept is that fibers are everywhere and not an exact science such as DNA. I can accept that some similar fibers from John and Patsy's clothing were found everywhere around JBR. Can RDI at least say that some fibers that were found that had an origin that they were not really sure what it was from were probably there too.?

I mean I could go to Dave's house and find some fibers right now that a scientist would not know what to make of it. My point is that to say only fibers that consisted from items in the Family home were found is irresponsible and quite frankly not possible.

Also, with the fiber evidence, it can only be remotely significant when pointing fingers at the Ramseys. And I understand that. But I think it is poor sleuthing when someone says only fibers directly from Ramsey clothes or home was present.

 

[BBB167893]

I think the point that we should all accept is that fibers are everywhere and not an exact science such as DNA. I can accept that some similar fibers from John and Patsy's clothing were found everywhere around JBR.

Not everywhere around her. Just in four key areas. That's a big part of it.

Can RDI at least say that some fibers that were found that had an origin that they were not really sure what it was from were probably there too?

I'm not ragging on you, Roy, honestly. But could you rephrase that?

My point is that to say only fibers that consisted from items in the Family home were found is irresponsible and quite frankly not possible.

I don't think that's the claim, Roy. What we have are fibers in highly suspect places which neither parent can account for. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Roy23]

Not everywhere around her. Just in four key areas. That's a big part of it.



I'm not ragging on you, Roy, honestly. But could you rephrase that?



I don't think that's the claim, Roy. What we have are fibers in highly suspect places which neither parent can account for. That's all I'm saying.

I totally get fibers in suspect places that cause issues for the Ramsey's. Not going to get in a debate about that. Someone made a statement that no fibers were present that could not be accounted for. That just doesn't jive with me and I don't think that LE would even spend much time on fibers that they were not sure what it was. They would certainly collect it but it has no evidentiary value since the crime was in the house. JMO

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Not everywhere around her. Just in four key areas. That's a big part of it.

Under her nails, in her underwear mixed with her blood from the assault, and either side on the longjohn waistband? Those four key areas??

 

[Ravyn]

Can you answer a question...Now as far as I know of this case JR shirt fibers was found in the underwear... Now if PR was the last to handle her that night and with the size 12 panties being put on her after the crime...How did JR shirt fibers get there...

 

[DeeDee249]

Can you answer a question...Now as far as I know of this case JR shirt fibers was found in the underwear... Now if PR was the last to handle her that night and with the size 12 panties being put on her after the crime...How did JR shirt fibers get there...

That's easy. He was there when the size 12 panties were put on her. He was most likely the one who put them on her. We have only Patsy's word that she was the last one to "handle" JB. That may be the case, maybe not. But both parents handled the body.

 

[BBB167893]

Under her nails, in her underwear mixed with her blood from the assault, and either side on the longjohn waistband? Those four key areas??

In her underpants, tied into the knots on the cord you claim they didn't have, stuck on the tape you claim they didn't have and inside the blanket she was wrapped up in. Just to keep it straight. Also, keep in mind that neither person can account for this.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

In her underpants, tied into the knots on the cord you claim they didn't have, stuck on the tape you claim they didn't have and inside the blanket she was wrapped up in. Just to keep it straight. Also, keep in mind that neither person can account for this.

It seems fibers are important to RDI theory. It seems RDI believes the fibers carry more weight than the DNA.

• Who says JR's fibers were on the tape? What is your source?
• How does this source know the fibers belong to JR?
• Do the fibers contain DNA or something?
• What was the color and composition of the fiber found on the tape?
• What was the color and composition of the fiber from JR's shirt?
• Was a spectrographic analysis performed? By whom? Where are the results?
• Why wouldn't fibers transfer from JR and PR --> JBR's clothing --> intruder --> tape or cord?
• Does JR's fiber on the tape prove ownership?

Anyway, wouldn't it have been better for RDI if the DNA were owned by an R, and not an unknown male?

 

[Ravyn]

If the IDI can prove the DNA came from the crime scene and not any other way cause even Bode Technolgy CAN MAKE MISTAKES cause they are human after all...You want the RDI to explain everything well explain this...Can you prove the DNA came from the crime scene?