Poll - If you were on the Jury today

[countzero]

I'm worried about the Not guilty (1)and the undecided (7) (what's that about)just trying to make some sense out of it that's all,I agree majority have voted guilty in some fashion,it's just those eight votes I'm having problems with. Wonder where these people really stand :waitasec:

I am one of those 7 and stated where I stand so you can bring it down to 6.

I'm right with ya OneLostGrl, bringing the number down to 5.

 

[magnolia]

I'm right with ya OneLostGrl, bringing the number down to 5.

I probably should have voted "other" because I'm on the fence in regards to the DP or LWP.

 

[coco puff]

There are so many ways to kill a person but not leave any traces of the cause of death on a skeletonized body.

Poison
Asphyxiation
Drowning
Stabbing (if the weapon misses bone)
Crushing (if it doesn’t break a bone)

Oddly enough, two of the most common ways (according to Google) to kill a child is by drugging them or taking away their abiltiy to breathe. No cause of death found?? I'm not surprised.

 

[BlOnDe_GuRrL]

I voted guilty LWP for 2 reasons. Since the state cannot give a cause of death there leaves some doubt in my mind that it may have been an accidental death and KC used duct tape to stop the body purging. I also feel any defects in KC's personality or mental health can be blamed on some very strange family dynamics. She never stood a chance at being "normal". If it wasn't this issue it would have been another...I doubt she would have ever thrived as an adult on her own. No doubt the child died in her care, how she died we may never know. But she did live the good life for 31 days and did hide the body and did lie to police. I have a problem with the death penalty as well.

I've been lurking for a long time and finally making my first post! I really enjoy this site.

that's what i'm kind of having a hard time with too..
no, she did not duct tape herself or end up in the swamp on her own... and that's the reason i would chose life over say, 10-20 years.
we think we know it all... but none of us were there that day. i do believe casey wanted caylee and her parents gone... but i'm not seeing a direct connection to the premeditation and her actual death... yet. maybe once trial begins i'll change my mind.

the flurry of calls that day bothers me... what if george or cindy would've answered their phone?
i don't know.. it's easy to say it was premeditated.. we've all been here for 2 and a half years screaming for justice and most of us despise casey.
i, personally think there's more to the story. and let's not forget, casey is an opportunist.. it could've very well been an accident and she staged the kidnapping/dumping... then made up the ridiculous story.. in her mind, it was ok because it wasn't her fault.. it was an accident... and being the opportunist she was, that was great.. now she wouldn't have to do it herself.
before i would sentence someone to death, i would need to know 100% - without a shadow of a doubt that they did exactly what they're being charged for... and with this case, nobody knows with 100% certainty.

 

[Lera213]

Guility dp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ynotdivein]

I voted guilty LWP for 2 reasons. Since the state cannot give a cause of death there leaves some doubt in my mind that it may have been an accidental death and KC used duct tape to stop the body purging. I also feel any defects in KC's personality or mental health can be blamed on some very strange family dynamics. She never stood a chance at being "normal". If it wasn't this issue it would have been another...I doubt she would have ever thrived as an adult on her own. No doubt the child died in her care, how she died we may never know. But she did live the good life for 31 days and did hide the body and did lie to police. I have a problem with the death penalty as well.

I've been lurking for a long time and finally making my first post! I really enjoy this site.

:welcome4: to marycontrary!!! Glad you joined us!

 

[Lera213]

ICA has shown by her actions and words that Caylee was in her way! The made up Nanny excuse was to her mother long before ICA killed Caylee. I believe ICA was using over the counter drugs like at first to make Caylee sleep, then she would either sneak out or leave Caylee in the car while she partied. When she met Tony that all changed! She really wanted a life with Tony but Caylee in her mind was in her way. She wanted a special night with Tony but Caylee was in her way so what did ICA do? She found a new form to put Caylee to sleep, and she duct taped Caylee's mouth to make sure Caylee would not wake up. SHE DID NOT want her evening with Tony to be disrupted. That my friends is PREMEDITATED.

 

[RR0004]

Exactly! But it's about whether the state can convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt that ICA and only ICA was responsible for the crime, while the DT tries to convince them that any number of people who had access to the tape, trash/laundry bag etc 'could' have been responsible.

This poll is a bit tricky knowing the jury won't be privy to everything that we have seen/read/heard.

But aren't WE the jury?
I'm confused. (what else is new?)

 

[RR0004]

I voted Guilty of First Degree Murder w/Death Penalty.

I see a lot of people are having a hard time giving Casey anything more than LWOP because they are unsure if it was premeditated. Premeditation is not the only aggravating circumstances the State went with putting the Death Penalty back on the table. Some of those circumstances include the fact that Caylee was under the age of 12, and that Casey Anthony was her mother, that the crime committed was especially heinous. Even if the crime was not premeditated (which I do believe it is) the jury will be instructed to look at all the aggravating circumstances when handing down their verdict. I know there were a few more, but I can not recall them at this moment. I think there were two more aggravating circumstances.

I am a firm believer in the Death Penalty for certain cases. Especially cases that involve the most vulnerable victims. Children are one of our most vulnerable victims. Caylee was still just a baby. She was not even three years old yet. She could not protect herself against Casey. Even if Caylee fought with every inch of her soul to stay alive on June 16th, 2008... she would not have won.

The premeditation is a very sticky situation. And you have to put the searches into context to really get a grasp of what was going on.

On March 17th - St. Patricks Day - Casey made the initial searches for chloroform, alcohol, acetone, peroxcide, and shovel.

On March 19th - Casey's Birthday - Casey searched the 100th episode of the television show "One Tree Hill." The episode was about a nanny kidnapping a child (which makes me wonder if this is not when the story of Zanny the Nanny surfaced... not at the beginning of the year like the Anthony's have stated!).

On March 21st - a random day? - Casey makes her final searches on "How to make chloroform", self defense, household weapons, neck breaking, shovel, and making weapons out of household products.

The interesting thing, imo, about these searches was that they were done on Casey's favorite holiday, her birthday and then again a few days after her birthday. What was going on that week? Were the Holidays and Casey's birthday becoming more about Caylee than herself? Which is a natural progression when children become a little bit older and they understand birthdays and holidays more. They want to be involved! They want to help blow out candles and want to help open presents!

I know that my sister and my bro-in-law's birthdays are just as much about their children than it is about themselves. Instead of romantic dinners and movies (they do still do these things too... just not on birthdays and holidays) they have a big party at a park and play soccer, kickball, etc... The children sit on their laps and help them blow out their candles. The children sit on their laps and help them open presents. The children are incooperated into everything they do during birthdays and holidays. That is what happens when you have children.

Something is telling me that Casey could not handle Caylee always being there. Caylee wanting attention on her birthday and her favorite holiday and that the snot head had the nerve to even try and blow HER candles out and open HER presents! Something made Casey mad enough to start her thought process into murdering Caylee in mid-March. Maybe Casey didn't even get a birthday cake? Yet, Caylee got one on her birthday! Maybe Casey didn't get presents to open? She was stealing enough money as it is. Yet, Caylee got presents on her birthday. There is something with these searches falling on these days that took Casey to this thought.

Casey, between January 2008 and her birthday on March 19th, 2008, stole $2,186.99. Another interesting point is that Cindy shut down her BOA account on March 14th, 2008 and the reason Casey went on to steal from her grandfathers account in order to pay for her phone bill.

I believe that when you add the searches for.... chloroform, alchohol, acetone, peroxcide, shovel, neck breaking, household weapons... to the searches of that One Tree Hill episode and the missing children seaches... and add that these searches were done when Casey was supposed to be celebrating life (fav. holiday and birthday) and instead was looking at ways to end one (Caylee's) it all clearly equals... premeditation. It also doesn't hurt or help that Casey was cut off financially from Cindy's account.

MOO

Great post, Lola!

Just wanted to clarify one thing...the missing children searches were not done prior to Caylee being reported missing. They were done afterward.

 

[marycontrary]

:welcome4: to marycontrary!!! Glad you joined us!

Thanks!! Is that a bengal kitty for your avatar?:newhere:



Thanks for everyone's warm welcome. That duct tape is a huge problem for both the state and the defense. The state needs to convince the jury that this was the cause of death and the DT needs to convince them that strips of tape somehow floated around in that nasty water and by chance stuck to the skull or that she placed them there to prevent leakage that obviously was occurring in the trunk. Bear with me, she wipes the face with a paper towel, then manages to get the first strip to stick by applying it over the face and behind the ears. The 2 remaining pieces of tape easily stick to the first piece. The placement of the duct tape on the jaw makes me feel she was trying to get the mouth closed as it was probably gaping wide open. Also appears the duct tape covered the eyes which would be another site of purging. When the ME states the tape was applied prior to decomp does that mean prior to the purging stage as well? It would be very easy to push me to the side of the fence that believes it is the cause of death. What bothers me that would have had to be methodically thought out and planned. The strips pre-cut and applied to a squirming, screaming and fighting child. (As she prepared strips of tape was caylee playing and chatting away). It would be far easier to wrap her hands around her throat for a couple minutes or put a pillow over her face. It would take way more work to kill by applying duct tape. I think Cindy blew a gasket when she saw the bruise under caylee's eye and badgered KC about it making all sorts of accusations. Caylee either got a new injury (missing tooth) and KC had to kill her or drowned in the pool while KC was busy texting or playing on the computer. Either way KC's relationship with her mother had everything to do with KC's behavior. KC could not face her mother with an injury to the child under her watch or an accidental drowning. KC got all sorts of ideas about duct tape and trunk while watching the video with Tony. KC did live the good life and showed not a moment of grief while she was partying and living it up and that is what will effect the jury most.

I was married to a narcissist for 10 years and the mental abuse they dole out to their loved ones is sinister and most harmful. I believe Cindy is a narcissist, George an enabler and KC a histrionic. George and Cindy made her this way. There may be hope for Lee as he left home early and seems to have distanced himself from the mess he calls family.

 

[goldleaf]

I voted LWOP.

I don't think prison is easy for anyone. Yes, ICA puts on a good front in Court most of the time, but her letters revealed how unhappy she was being in jail. All she could talk about is how much she missed male companionship, what she missed eating, movies and tv shows she loved or wanted to see, how she wanted to travel, write and create art. I think she handles being confined because she truly does not want to answer for what she has done and considers jail the lessor of two evils.

However, once she is convicted and sent to prison, her "boys" will talk tough for a few months about how they will still work for her.... then they will slowly drift away and leave her all alone. If she gets the DP, she gets court appointed attorneys to handle her appeal, she does not get that assistance with LWOP (as far as I know).

CA and GA will travel (something they have always wanted to do according to ICA) around the country trying to get anyone to listen about ICA's wrongful conviction.

Suddenly ICA will realize her parents aren't giving her any of the money they may be getting for her appeals, her "boys" have all gone, and she will be in the same place, wearing the same clothes, eating the same food until the day she dies.

 

[Tulessa]

Thanks!! Is that a bengal kitty for your avatar?:newhere:

Mary, welcome to our family. :blowkiss:

 

[Harmony 2]

that's what i'm kind of having a hard time with too..
no, she did not duct tape herself or end up in the swamp on her own... and that's the reason i would chose life over say, 10-20 years.
we think we know it all... but none of us were there that day. i do believe casey wanted caylee and her parents gone... but i'm not seeing a direct connection to the premeditation and her actual death... yet. maybe once trial begins i'll change my mind.

the flurry of calls that day bothers me... what if george or cindy would've answered their phone?
i don't know.. it's easy to say it was premeditated.. we've all been here for 2 and a half years screaming for justice and most of us despise casey.
i, personally think there's more to the story. and let's not forget, casey is an opportunist.. it could've very well been an accident and she staged the kidnapping/dumping... then made up the ridiculous story.. in her mind, it was ok because it wasn't her fault.. it was an accident... and being the opportunist she was, that was great.. now she wouldn't have to do it herself.
before i would sentence someone to death, i would need to know 100% - without a shadow of a doubt that they did exactly what they're being charged for... and with this case, nobody knows with 100% certainty.

BBM The flurry of calls has been way overblown IMO. The flurry starts at 4:11 p.m. and by 4:18 p.m. she is on the road headed toward the area of Tony's apartment. The other calls in the flurry are made while she is driving. There are other examples of flurry of calls in the records. It was not unusual behavior for Casey. One example of a flurry of calls occurred on June 17 IIRC.

timestamp 1:30 p.m.

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19771774/index.html

To tie to the theme of this thread. The cell phone pings information has led me away from accident. What parent would try to revive a child in only 7 minutes and then not even call 911? Then look at the movie she rents that night (timestamp 2:03). As a juror I would consider this information and ultimately vote guilty- LWOP.

 

[butwhatif?]

But aren't WE the jury?
I'm confused. (what else is new?)

LOL...I tend to have the affect on people.
Assuming we're the jury for the sake of this poll, we've heard mostly from the state, rather than a full argument and evidence from both sides. That's where it gets a bit muddy for me with the word jury.

In an earlier post I did say that from a sleuthers POV I'd find her guilty and I would rec LWOP.But because of my 'issues' with the word jury, my poll answer was 'other'.

Are you even more confused now? :wink:

 

[luv]

I want to change my vote. No way do I want ICA to have parole - ever! I was sure it said LWOP. If it is a choice between Death or LWP - then Canuck or not - Death it is.:maddening:

BBM

I also thought it said LWOP. If I could, I would vote LWOP in General Population.

 

[kssgdby]

100 % Guilty - Death Penalty, My only difference of opinion would be the time even the death penalty would allow Inmate Anthony to continue to walk on this side of the grass. I feel her death penalty should be a surprise without warning or any chance of survival. I guess the "eye for an eye" definition. I want her to FEEL what Baby Caylee felt. Fear, confusion, desperation and I want Caylee to be the last face she sees. But the sad fact is on that day Caylee will be crying tears of sadness for her mother from heaven....moo

 

[Lera213]

ICA didn't give Caylee the option of LWP, ICA didn't give Caylee any options but DEATH. ICA deserves the DP! The death penalty was designed for people just like ICA.

 

[pip]

I voted LWOP, but in my fantasy world, I would be much happier with 50 yrs for ICA, 10 for GA, 15 for CA, and mandated therapy for LA. They all need to pay the price for what happened to a certain degree, and for all the obstruction and lies. These parents created this monster known as Casey... let them all lie in the bed they made. ICA would be 75 when she got out. Not bad. Dream on, I know.

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

BUMPED to give the DT some relaxing, weekend reading. :innocent:

 

[jon_burrows]

DP, reasons:

1) I believe beyond a reasonable doubt duct tape was the murder weapon. Caylee suffered tremendously during her final moments on earth. Casey had time to remove the tape and allow Caylee to live, she did not. By legal definition, it is considered premeditated murder. I also believe Casey is a danger to society and would kill again.

2) I do no believe the duct tape was any sort of babysitting tool used to keep her quiet during the summer in the trunk of a car. Three long pieces of duct tape placed around her face and hair was never meant to come off.

3) I believe LP started the 'accidental death, duct tape used to control decomp fluid' theory which is total BS. I don't believe Casey (or most people) would get that close and personal to a purging corpse. Also, Dr. Perper didn't buy that theory either. It would be much easier to dump the body, which is what she did.

4) Although I believe the DT is going for some sort of accident because they have nothing else, it's completely outrageous. The SAs only have to ask the jury one question. If someone you loved died accidentally would you call 911 and try to save them or would you triple bag them and throw them away like trash in a swampy, snake infested dumping ground? Would you also decorate the corpse with duct tape then go about partying the next month until your mother tracked you down and dialed 911?

5) Staged kidnapping is ridiculous. If a jury member were to toss that idea around they would have to ask themselves, why three long pieces of duct tape? How could a mother who just found her daughter dead not try and save her? Why would she take the time to get duct tape and a sticker to place on her daughter's corpse. Then take the time to triple bag her but not take the time to call for help.


IMO