Poll:Why Do You Think Cindy Is Protecting Casey???

[gitana1]

Here's some quotes from an article I just read. It's interesting:

These facts reveal what investigators and counselors discover. Family members may raise questions about the accused in crimes, but when it comes time for the trial they become united as a group. The public wonders why as they listen to protestations from individuals in families that an accused, or even convicted killer, has good traits and that killing someone isn't a behavior that could be associated with anyone within the family complex. Perhaps that's because the very act exposes problems or because the assault to the family core is such that it pulls together for support..

It is also likely that attorneys involved in high profile cases encourage family members to stick together. Mental health experts related to the case may make the same suggestions. That's because it gives the family resiliency.

The family with stress as acute as that of Casey Anthony's family requires support from its members because the public rejects someone who would kill their own small child, as Casey is accused of doing. The public face won't disclose the personal trials. Casey Anthony hasn't been found guilty of anything, but her family will find it hard to ever admit she did something purposely wrong, like killing her own child. In the United States, and in other parts of the world, like Great Britain, the pattern is the same. Mothers protecting killers and the public wondering why.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/270288

 

[mamaks5]

Can any of us say that we could believe our children would murder our grandchildren? This is a very wierd case to say the least. Think about your own family. Most of us would never believe our son or daughter could actually commit this crime even with all this evidence (most would say there has to be some other explanation). I can't imagine such a horrific situation. It is easier for us to judge because We are on the outside looking in. It's not our daughter or son and it is not in our home.

 

[Debbie3223]

cuz she IS and always wll be mentally ill also,

they do not change

just as casey...wont... they were just born with no heart or love and compassion..to tell the truth

 

[magic-cat]

Just for a minute, let's put ourselves in Cindy's shoes.

If she kicked KC out, what would happen to Caylee? As a grandparent, how could she kick her daughter out with no place to go and likely to take her granddaughter as well? How could she do that? Realistically? Could you? I know I couldn't, not with a small child involved.

Cindy was in desperate financial shape...none of which seems to be her doing. With little to go against KC, how would she gain custody of Caylee? How could she have afforded what would probably amount to thousands of dollars in legal fees in a fight where she probably had very little to no chance of winning? If she did go the legal route and press charges for KC's thefts from family, how would KC ever get a job with a record for theft? I think she was stuck between a rock and a hard spot.

The fact that she was attending counseling tells me she was trying to come to some remedy concerning the problems she was facing, but most likely got frustrated with the only choices presenting themselves..neither one of them probably seeming feasible.

I personally can't judge CA for her role in this...KC was an adult who chose to do whatever she did to her daughter and I don't see Cindy for the monster she's often made out to be, but instead a very frustrated mother trying to figure out how to get her grown, adult daughter to take responsibility for her life and that of her child. JMO.

Ok, but mind you, anyone stepping into Cindy's shoes might need counseling when it is over...

It is commonly referred to as "tough love" and it works wonders with people like Casey who use and abuse and have no remorse about it. It teaches them that life is not free, and respect should be given, and responsibility is necessary in ones own life. And yes, I could and I would if my child were displaying the total lack of respect for me that Casey was for her parents. I would boot her out so fast it would make her head spin, and yes, I would send her child with her. SHE needed to BE Caylee's mom, and unfortunately, Cindy was hell-bent on assuming THAT role.

Between the rock and the hard place is where heroes are born.

According to SP, Cindy's mom, Cindy attended ONE counseling "session" for advice, did not like the advice, and never returned. The right path is seldom the easy route, and Cindy KNEW what the right thing was-she just wanted to do the easier thing-which was continue on in the status quo.

There are many things that Cindy COULD have done and did not do. She could have made Casey pay rent. She could have made Casey participate in house-hold "duties" such as laundry and cleaning. She could have made Casey do yard-work. She could have demanded to know exactly where Casey was going to be at all times when SHE, Cindy, would have Caylee and could have "checked up" on her to verify that she was indeed where she was supposed to be. She could have not looked over lie upon lie upon lie, but rather, she could have called Casey on the lies each and every time. She could have made Casey pay Caylee's way-buy her diapers, prepare her meals, bathe her, etc, so SHE would BE the primary care-giver like she should have been. She could have checked into suitable "day-care" for Caylee so that Casey would have been available to work days. She could have demanded as a condition of living at home that Casey further her education while she was there and could have assisted her in so doing. She could have done much, and instead, she simply gave in to the rising tide of lies, deceipt, jealousy and theft and did what came "naturally" to her, which was PROTECT CASEY!:bang:

 

[CPP]

I personally don't think it's denial, because I think that Cindy knew long before they found her that little Caylee was dead and that Casey is responsible.

 

[CPP]

Also, I don't blame CA or GA for Caylee's death @ KC's hands, but I do blame them for doing everything they can to deny justice to their tiny, helpless and defenseless 2 year old grandbaby, by enabling their grown, unrepentant 23-year old daughter, again, to avoid owning up to her lies and bad conduct.

 

[concentric]

And

according to SP, Cindy's mother, she only spoke to this "counselor" on one ocassion. She said she talked to a therapist or a counselor ONCE and that is what she was told and she never returned. She was given good sound advice that would "rock the boat" and she immediately about faced back to exactly where she was before she saw this "counselor"...doing nothing to change any of it.:slap:

This has been said before (remind me who said it): KC wanted counseling and CA didn't pursue it for her, but did for herself? Is that correct?

If so, is this part of defense strategy for KC?

 

[nssherlock]

AMEN.........:clap::clap:

Ok, but mind you, anyone stepping into Cindy's shoes might need counseling when it is over...

It is commonly referred to as "tough love" and it works wonders with people like Casey who use and abuse and have no remorse about it. It teaches them that life is not free, and respect should be given, and responsibility is necessary in ones own life. And yes, I could and I would if my child were displaying the total lack of respect for me that Casey was for her parents. I would boot her out so fast it would make her head spin, and yes, I would send her child with her. SHE needed to BE Caylee's mom, and unfortunately, Cindy was hell-bent on assuming THAT role.

Between the rock and the hard place is where heroes are born.

According to SP, Cindy's mom, Cindy attended ONE counseling "session" for advice, did not like the advice, and never returned. The right path is seldom the easy route, and Cindy KNEW what the right thing was-she just wanted to do the easier thing-which was continue on in the status quo.

There are many things that Cindy COULD have done and did not do. She could have made Casey pay rent. She could have made Casey participate in house-hold "duties" such as laundry and cleaning. She could have made Casey do yard-work. She could have demanded to know exactly where Casey was going to be at all times when SHE, Cindy, would have Caylee and could have "checked up" on her to verify that she was indeed where she was supposed to be. She could have not looked over lie upon lie upon lie, but rather, she could have called Casey on the lies each and every time. She could have made Casey pay Caylee's way-buy her diapers, prepare her meals, bathe her, etc, so SHE would BE the primary care-giver like she should have been. She could have checked into suitable "day-care" for Caylee so that Casey would have been available to work days. She could have demanded as a condition of living at home that Casey further her education while she was there and could have assisted her in so doing. She could have done much, and instead, she simply gave in to the rising tide of lies, deceipt, jealousy and theft and did what came "naturally" to her, which was PROTECT CASEY!:bang:

 

[OneLostGrl]

This has been said before (remind me who said it): KC wanted counseling and CA didn't pursue it for her, but did for herself? Is that correct?

If so, is this part of defense strategy for KC?

Again, the defense strategy seems to be what it has always been- claiming she didn't do it. Ya know, the nanny, all that? She doesn't seem to be changing that story much (except for where the nanny stole her from) or have I suddenly missed something big in this case? Remember the letter she wrote the judge, what.. last week.. That she will not plead to a crime she did not commit? The judge won't ignore that letter, neither will a jury.

 

[magic-cat]

This has been said before (remind me who said it): KC wanted counseling and CA didn't pursue it for her, but did for herself? Is that correct?

If so, is this part of defense strategy for KC?

The only reference that I know of when it was said that Casey wanted counseling was when one or two of her friends gave their statements, they said she had told them once that she needed to be committed and she needed help or something like that, and then the next day she had "talked to her mom" and all was well...is that what you are thinking of?

My theory is that she was broke and needed money and was on the verge of having break-down for lack of suitable victims from which to rob and pillage, so she somehow got her mommy dearest to give her some money and then all was well...that or she needed a babysitter, I mean, a nanny, for the night and could not get out and the next night Cindy let her go out and she watched Caylee...Guaranteed it was something as trivial and meaningless as what I have suggested. Casey is the queen of the shallow waters after all.

 

[mitzi]

The only reference that I know of when it was said that Casey wanted counseling was when one or two of her friends gave their statements, they said she had told them once that she needed to be committed and she needed help or something like that, and then the next day she had "talked to her mom" and all was well...is that what you are thinking of?

My theory is that she was broke and needed money and was on the verge of having break-down for lack of suitable victims from which to rob and pillage, so she somehow got her mommy dearest to give her some money and then all was well...that or she needed a babysitter, I mean, a nanny, for the night and could not get out and the next night Cindy let her go out and she watched Caylee...Guaranteed it was something as trivial and meaningless as what I have suggested. Casey is the queen of the shallow waters after all.

Also magic-cat, I remember during CA's interview with the FBI, CA made a statement that KC had asked to get counselling, but then only said that she (CA) had actually been to counselling. Again, Cindy denying what KC really needed. Sometimes it seems to me that Cindy wanted to keep KC down, so she (CA) would retain possession of Caylee...like if KC saw a shrink, that she might end up turning her life around and take Caylee and go out on her own. Sad really.

 

[cloud]

Because I think cindy is protecting Cindy, via Casey.

MO

 

[cloud]

Ok, but mind you, anyone stepping into Cindy's shoes might need counseling when it is over...

It is commonly referred to as "tough love" and it works wonders with people like Casey who use and abuse and have no remorse about it. It teaches them that life is not free, and respect should be given, and responsibility is necessary in ones own life. And yes, I could and I would if my child were displaying the total lack of respect for me that Casey was for her parents. I would boot her out so fast it would make her head spin, and yes, I would send her child with her. SHE needed to BE Caylee's mom, and unfortunately, Cindy was hell-bent on assuming THAT role.

Between the rock and the hard place is where heroes are born.

According to SP, Cindy's mom, Cindy attended ONE counseling "session" for advice, did not like the advice, and never returned. The right path is seldom the easy route, and Cindy KNEW what the right thing was-she just wanted to do the easier thing-which was continue on in the status quo.

There are many things that Cindy COULD have done and did not do. She could have made Casey pay rent. She could have made Casey participate in house-hold "duties" such as laundry and cleaning. She could have made Casey do yard-work. She could have demanded to know exactly where Casey was going to be at all times when SHE, Cindy, would have Caylee and could have "checked up" on her to verify that she was indeed where she was supposed to be. She could have not looked over lie upon lie upon lie, but rather, she could have called Casey on the lies each and every time. She could have made Casey pay Caylee's way-buy her diapers, prepare her meals, bathe her, etc, so SHE would BE the primary care-giver like she should have been. She could have checked into suitable "day-care" for Caylee so that Casey would have been available to work days. She could have demanded as a condition of living at home that Casey further her education while she was there and could have assisted her in so doing. She could have done much, and instead, she simply gave in to the rising tide of lies, deceipt, jealousy and theft and did what came "naturally" to her, which was PROTECT CASEY!:bang:

"She could have made Casey do yard-work. "...

Well, she did borrow a shovel from the neighbour to, according to Cindy, keep those bamboo roots under control. Casey hadn't lived in the house for a while, yet she felt this need to borrow a shovel to keep up with the gardening in a place she didn't live in anymore, while her daughter was being cared for by someone else... Sure.

It's not as ridiculous as you or I make it, it's as ridiculous as they, the As make it and expect everyone to believe it. Sheesh.

MO

 

[OneLostGrl]

"She could have made Casey do yard-work. "...

Well, she did borrow a shovel from the neighbour to, according to Cindy, keep those bamboo roots under control. Casey hadn't lived in the house for a while, yet she felt this need to borrow a shovel to keep up with the gardening in a place she didn't live in anymore, while her daughter was being cared for by someone else... Sure.

It's not as ridiculous as you or I make it, it's as ridiculous as they, the As make it and expect everyone to believe it. Sheesh.

MO

Bold is mine-

LOL

 

[Friday]

Can any of us say that we could believe our children would murder our grandchildren? This is a very wierd case to say the least. Think about your own family. Most of us would never believe our son or daughter could actually commit this crime even with all this evidence

I'm afraid that wouldn't necessarily be true if my daughter had also exhibited Casey's sociopathic behavior, her volatile temper, heartless thefts from family members, pathological lying, her history of competing with me and complaining about her daughter's attachment to me. When I added all that to the fact that my daughter never reported her child's kidnapping, that the nanny who kidnapped her doesn't exist, her car had the stench of death--and perhaps worst of all, when my daughter came home on bond, she was cheerfully unconcerned about the absence and fate of her child.

Under those circumstances, and the others I haven't mentioned, I would be inwardly terrified that my daughter had murdered her child. And once her child's skeleton was found a few hundred yards from the house, along with the missing WTP blanket and a laundry bag from our house, I would know my granddaughter died at her hands (through gross neglect or on purpose) and was then bagged up and thrown away like garbage.

I can't imagine how I would survive such a horrific situation, or how I would cope with the revulsion and fury I'd feel toward my daughter. I do know this: I would not publicly accuse or condemn her, nor would I turn on her to the extent of eagerly collaborating with LE in their effort to find evidence against her. But neither would I lie to anyone for her, or conceal evidence, or obstruct justice, or worst of all--try to put the blame on some innocent party.

I think I would hire the best lawyer I could afford for her, but I would not want to visit her in jail unless--or until-- she was willing to confess to the truth.

Beyond that, I would have nothing to say to LE or the Media except, "No matter what she has done, she is still my daughter. I cannot bring myself to speak out against her. Please try to understand and accept that."

To be fair however, this is only how I think I would, and should, act in those circumstances. Thank Almighty God that I haven't been put to that test.

 

[gardenhart]

But Cindy was only able to to wield this control because of Casey's profound laziness. If Casey had really wanted to get counseling I think she was perfectly capable of making her mother pay for it. And just about every jurisdiction in the US has sliding fee/free mental health care and all she had to do was fill out a form showing she had no income and she'd have been provided with free counseling.

I don't think Cindy takes the rap for adult Casey not getting counseling. I am astonished, however, that it appears nothing was done to get her counseling before she was an adult.

Also magic-cat, I remember during CA's interview with the FBI, CA made a statement that KC had asked to get counselling, but then only said that she (CA) had actually been to counselling. Again, Cindy denying what KC really needed. Sometimes it seems to me that Cindy wanted to keep KC down, so she (CA) would retain possession of Caylee...like if KC saw a shrink, that she might end up turning her life around and take Caylee and go out on her own. Sad really.

 

[PattyCake]

But Cindy was only able to to wield this control because of Casey's profound laziness. If Casey had really wanted to get counseling I think she was perfectly capable of making her mother pay for it. And just about every jurisdiction in the US has sliding fee/free mental health care and all she had to do was fill out a form showing she had no income and she'd have been provided with free counseling.

I don't think Cindy takes the rap for adult Casey not getting counseling. I am astonished, however, that it appears nothing was done to get her counseling before she was an adult.

It wouldn't fit with Cindy's perfect family picture if she sent KC to counselling. She'd have to admit she couldn't parent and didn't have all the answers. Cindy isn't capable of admitting something like that.

Cindy is truly the one that should have had years and years of counselling and parental courses as well... then none of this would have happened.
I mean KC was not born a killer, she was raised under a roof with total incompetent parenting and a woman who's a narcissist herself.

 

[Elysium]

OK, here's another long one. I apologize in advance...

Cindy is a complete and total Control Freak and has obviously been the one running everything in that house. She also seems to be a perfectionist and expects (demands) her family to be perfect or at least appear that way. But, at the same time, she KNEW that Casey was getting more and more out of control, she hadn't talked to Caylee for a month--etc...I think she had a habit of "sugar coating" things in her mind to possibly help her deal with her lack of control over everyone. Remember her denying that Casey was pregnant when it was so obvious at Rick's wedding? Casey was at least seven months pregnant and totally showing but told Cindy she hadn't had sex with anyone (or at least that's what Cindy told her brother when he asked). Rather than confront Casey or admit the fact, she just played dumb. Is that denial? To me, denial is like saying your husband isn't cheating after a month of him coming home late, not wanting sex, smelling like perfume and finding another woman's panties in your bed---NOT saying your husband isn't cheating after actually finding him in bed with another woman.

I mean, when something is so obviously true and everyone sees it and you have a person who goes around saying everyone is wrong and it's not true, I think it becomes more of a protection issue (in this case).

After she and George picked up the car, she went back to work. She told her co-workers about the car, the fact that she didn't know where Casey was and that she hadn't talked to Caylee in a month BUT she gave the appearance that she really didn't think Casey had done anything wrong and said that she would give Casey a chance to explain herself before calling police. Her supervisor finallly made her leave work to take care of things. To me, this represents the fact that she had not accepted that something was REALLY wrong--even after all the red flags with Casey being "missing" for a month, not being able to speak with Caylee, the condition of the car and time at the lot..etc. I think at this point she was protecting herself--protecting her own thought processes--telling herself, "everything is under control, I've got a hold on this, I'll work it out, I won't let myself think she lied to me, there has to be a logical explanation"..etc..But, she KNEW and her conversation with Amy on the way to get Casey shows how much she KNEW about the stealing, possibly not having a job, the smell of decomposition in the car---etc.. She was not denying a thing at that point or the rest of that night--because she COULDN'T DENY IT. She, like everyone else involved, could see that Casey had something to do with Caylee being gone, she could see that Casey was lying and even said that to Casey when she called from jail. Also, George told police that Cindy didn't want to lose "both of her girls" way before Caylee was found. So, Cindy was not in denial. She knew early on, just like George did. She began protecting Casey and demanded that George do the same. She has made conflicting statements, lied under oath, pointed fingers at Casey's friends and everything she could to create some doubt that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. If she were in true denial, she would not have done these things because she would have no reason to lie.

Now, is she doing this because of guilt? It's possible that she feels responsible if indeed she did have that big blow-out with Casey and threatened to take custody of Caylee. She may feel that if that fight didn't happen, then none of this would have happened. She may feel that she somehow could have protected Caylee better or should have tracked down Casey earlier....she could be feeling guilty about a million things--she could be thinking that she had been a bad mother to Casey and caused Casey to become the way she is. I'm sure that George and Lee feel guilty as well--and I'm not saying any one of them should feel quilty --but, it's a natural emotion for a mother to have when their child does something wrong and other family members to share.

I voted that Cindy does not want Casey to be in jail....despite everything, I think Cindy, George and Lee still love & support Casey and they are worried that she may be sentenced to death or life in prison. They are grieving for Caylee, who they loved dearly, but they are torn. I can't imagine what it must be like to be in that situation.


But, in the end, lying to police and blaming other people isn't the answer. I think a lot more people would have sympathy for this family if they had been honest and consistent. George knew the right thing to do, that is why he was up front with police in the beginning and he testified against Casey. It's clear he loves Casey but, I think he knows there must be justice for Caylee. My biggest problem with Cindy is that she resents George's honesty and has torn him down in her quest to control everything. I wish she would stop with the lies.....Casey needs to suffer the consequences of her actions and she will--no matter how hard anyone tries to protect her...she has dug her own grave.

RIP sweet Cayleee

 

[HOOKEDNAN]

Very well said, Elysium. ITA Thank you

 

[songline]

This has been said before (remind me who said it): KC wanted counseling and CA didn't pursue it for her, but did for herself? Is that correct?

If so, is this part of defense strategy for KC?

the way I remember this is KC went to see her friend and told her she thinks she is going crazy and needs counseling. The next time she saw her friend she said everything is OK, I'm fine.
I never heard that CINDY heard that KC needed counseling but selected to only pursue that for herself.
THAT IS NOT the way this story went.