Pontiac: The odor, sealing off & processing the car #2

[skygirl]

Page 16 line 7 - SB said the tow company received a call from OSCO to pick the pontiac up at the A's THAT SAME NIGHT?? (don't see a time though)

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf

 

[JBean]

Page 16 line 7 - SB said the tow company received a call from OSCO to pick the pontiac up at the A's THAT SAME NIGHT?? (don't see a time though)

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf

well we know it arrived at the forensics bay by 7:46pm on 7/16 and so it was probably picked up around 7;15 or so? Charity Beasley was given instructions to seal it up somewhere after 4:33pm and before 7 pm. She apparently did not look in the trunk, I assume there was no reason to at this point.

 

[LambChop]

The initial responding officers were responding to a stolen vehicle call. It's in their reports, linked somewhere in the depths of these threads.

That correct because when they arrived they were confused because they thought they were responding to a stolen car report. I read that somewhere, too.

 

[skygirl]

well we know it arrived at the forensics bay by 7:46 and so it was probably picked up around 7;15 or so?

I guess I'm reading SB's statement as he got a call the same night the A's picked the car up on the 15th. (even though we know the car was not brought in to forensics the NEXT day, the 16th) He explains....

(copied from SB's statement page 16, hilighted yellow by me)

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf

Is there ANY chance that someone in LE sealed the car until the tow company got there and the time entered is wrong? Sounds like someone at OSCO knew the car was an issue on the evening of the 15th therefore, making the call to the tow-yard. Right?

Or most likely my brain is fried.

hth

moo

 

[JBean]

OH that is interesting skygirl. but we know he misspoke because police did not even start their investigation until 9:44pm that night and Yuri did not even arrive on the scene until the 16th.
he was referring to the 16th not the 15th because otherwise all the police reports are wrong LOL.

 

[FORDANIEL]

You know, I'm sorry to say there is certainly lot's of fodder here-FOR THE DEFENSE!!! The chain of custody,with the car,is certainly a concern.I can hear it now,"Is there any way that anyone other than KC could have had access to the car,from the time it was dropped at Amscott and the time it was secured by the OCSO?" "Well,yes,anything is possible"Just great,now we have doubt!!!!

 

[denjet]

You know, I'm sorry to say there is certainly lot's of fodder here-FOR THE DEFENSE!!! The chain of custody,with the car,is certainly a concern.I can hear it now,"Is there any way that anyone other than KC could have had access to the car,from the time it was dropped at Amscott and the time it was secured by the OCSO?" "Well,yes,anything is possible"Just great,now we have doubt!!!!

Ummm, but not REASONABLE doubt ... not to worry ... no juror will buy that someone tampered with the car of the accused who is charged with murdering her 2 yr old and throwing her in the woods to rot ... a mother who complained to others about the smell in the car and had no good reason for abandoning her only form of transportation ...

 

[FORDANIEL]

Ummm, but not REASONABLE doubt ... not to worry ... no juror will buy that someone tampered with the car of the accused who is charged with murdering her 2 yr old and throwing her in the woods to rot ... a mother who complained to others about the smell in the car and had no good reason for abandoning her only form of transportation ...

Yes,I can agree with you-however I do think the defense:sick::sick::banghead: will play this one for all it"s worth.

 

[JBean]

Yes,I can agree with you-however I do think the defense:sick::sick::banghead: will play this one for all it"s worth.

But it may not be worth anything

 

[FORDANIEL]

But it may not be worth anything

That's true.

 

[BondJamesBond]

You know, I'm sorry to say there is certainly lot's of fodder here-FOR THE DEFENSE!!! The chain of custody,with the car,is certainly a concern.I can hear it now,"Is there any way that anyone other than KC could have had access to the car,from the time it was dropped at Amscott and the time it was secured by the OCSO?" "Well,yes,anything is possible"Just great,now we have doubt!!!!

On a positive note...imperfect, but, still positive...we have the following bookends:

• George's account of Casey's acting directly to impede his access to the car trunk 6/24
• Casey via texts to Amy making reference to an odor in the car while the car is still in Casey's possession
• No reports from Casey that the car had been stolen
• No reports, texts, or witness statements indicating that Casey's car had been borrowed
• Tony's account of picking Casey up from the car @ Amscot and her behavior of having the contents already removed from the car
• Amscot manager's account of the Pontiac remaining @ the store for days leading up to 6/30 tow

...and on the back end...

• Simon Birch's statement regarding decomp smell BEFORE the car left the towyard
• George's statement re: decomp smell BEFORE the car left the towyard
• Cindy's 911, "smells like there's been a dead body in the d@mned car!", just minutes BEFORE LE arrived
• Lee's statement re: the stench of the car at virtually the same time LE first arrived @ Hopespring (IOW...no Fuhrmans planting evidence )

So...I understand the concern 'bout reasonable doubt & anything @ trial that has to hang on evidence from the car. Still...I'm not losing any sleep that it'll be the 'nail that lost the shoe that lost the horse...' etc. etc.

The Holy Grail for me w/ the car would be a positive result for decomp somewhere on the gas can. If I'm thinking straight that would narrow things down considerably, as far as chain of custody, to a very narrow 6/20-6/24 when we have nothing to suggest anyone besides Casey was in possession of the Pontiac.

Sorry to wander OT...above intended to be geared toward the impact of a delay in sealing off the car & chain of custody.

 

[sharpar]

Defense can try but it will fall as flat as all the rest of their blatherings - lets hope the
jury gets to take a field trip and smell that car for themselves even after all this time
it is going to reek . There is plenty of other evidence to convict KC - she is toast !

 

[notthatsmart]

Ummm, but not REASONABLE doubt ... not to worry ... no juror will buy that someone tampered with the car of the accused who is charged with murdering her 2 yr old and throwing her in the woods to rot ... a mother who complained to others about the smell in the car and had no good reason for abandoning her only form of transportation ...

I have reasonable doubt that it smelled like human decomp because they just didn't act like it. Its not the tampering with the vehicle that is the story to me, its the smell. The smell just wasn't that bad in my opinion because there actions do not show that it was. Lee must have been exagerating. Ga was emotionally confused. Ca was just trying to get the cops there and said it to get them to take her seriously.

Lots of people say that many Police officers have said it smelled like human decomp. I am waiting to see this in writing. I base my opinion on the documents that I have read to date. IMO moo

Ps Decomp can be many many things. Human decomp can only be Human decomp. Many people use the word decomp. is too generic. Its a general term like automobile vs pickup truck.

 

[RR0004]

yes it does. 10 to 15 hours before a potential crime scene was sealed off. That is a long time.

That we know of...right?

 

[JBean]

I have reasonable doubt that it smelled like human decomp because they just didn't act like it. Its not the tampering with the vehicle that is the story to me, its the smell. The smell just wasn't that bad in my opinion because there actions do not show that it was. Lee must have been exagerating. Ga was emotionally confused. Ca was just trying to get the cops there and said it to get them to take her seriously.

Lots of people say that many Police officers have said it smelled like human decomp. I am waiting to see this in writing. I base my opinion on the documents that I have read to date. IMO moo

Ps Decomp can be many many things. Human decomp can only be Human decomp. Many people use the word decomp. is too generic. Its a general term like automobile vs pickup truck.

When this topic came up back in 2008 I posted something similar. i thought that the decomp was exaggerated and no one looked at the car because it didn't smell that bad. But that was before all this infomration was released.
But NTS, there is no way that is true. Too many people have reported that it did in fact smell of decomp. Family members, officers,towyard guy. let's face it, if GA and CA , and LA all say it stunk to high heaven like decomp that is pretty good testimony. They have everything to lose.
The towyard guy guy is a completely disinterested 3rd party and and no reason to say anything but the truth.The fact of the matter is no one is really disputing the decomp aroma. So, please lets not go there.
The car smelled like decomp and it has been documented by just about everyone involved in this case,including KC making up a story to explain the foul odor.
Let's not derail the thread by suggesting there was no decomp smell. If you have doubt that is fine, but suggesting something that has been clearly documented is going to lead to thread meltdown and let's not go there. Your point and position are noted but there is nowhere to go with the discussion.
thanks

 

[RR0004]

well we assume that all the damage was done.

I think it has been determined that KC had a small 20-30 minute window of time of free access to the car. It has also been noted that the trunk (and doors?) may have been open so she could have easily gone in and out of the car silently.

We will never know if additional evidence may have been compromised.

...but we also have heard that a deputy was with her at all times...at least from her mother...for what it's worth. I truly wish we knew EXACTLY what went on...because IIRC...Casey and mom were working on the MySpace for at least a little while together the next day. I always thought it was odd that Cindy claimed she never really had the opportunity to ask Casey questions. I don't care how busy your daughter was...how do you not ask questions?!
Sorry for the OT.

 

[JBean]

That we know of...right?

Well we know it wasn't because KC was allowed free access in and out of the garage alone.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

You know, I'm sorry to say there is certainly lot's of fodder here-FOR THE DEFENSE!!! The chain of custody,with the car,is certainly a concern.I can hear it now,"Is there any way that anyone other than KC could have had access to the car,from the time it was dropped at Amscott and the time it was secured by the OCSO?" "Well,yes,anything is possible"Just great,now we have doubt!!!!

I can't see the defense using this at all because Casey didn't leave her car at Amscott until June 27th. By this time, according to all of the Anthonys, Caylee had been missing for at least 12 days. The forensics indicate that the body was in the car 2.7 days after death. So the dates and numbers would never, never add up. And then we even have Casey's own description of the smell in the car before she ever left it at Amscott. Nope; they couldn't make this one work. MOO

 

[RR0004]

Well we know it wasn't because KC was allowed free access in and out of the garage alone.

...from even before LE arrived. But, Lee said one thing...mom says another...did a detective state that Casey was in there alone? I guess everyone is wishing that yellow crime tape was set up around the car. OMG...can you imagine the tone of that house after that? Attorneys would have been called in ASAP. Posting a deputy nearby would have made more sense...and that's really what I'd like to know (not that it matters).

 

[Chiquita71]

Another bump. Hope this is okay, mods. TIA.

Instead of bumping up these old threads, I thought I would post them here and if any one else is interested they can read them. Everyone talking about the "cleaning of the car" has got me thinking about Casey's shoes. IIRC many pairs of shoes were taken as evidence from the Anthony home. I am going to find that info. I was watching forensic files tonight and they tied a person to a murder with shoe evidence. I wonder if they could match one of Casey's shoes to the "mud/dirt/plants" specifically at the spot Caylee was left? I wonder if Casey's shoes were anything Cindy or George might have worried about cleaning?

I tend to agree that George thought LE knew what he knew, and that was Casey had hurt Caylee-but when it wasn't that cut and dry from LE it was easy to go with what Cindy was saying. I think George is a wishy washy type of personality. IMO. George went back to work, right? It was Cindy that stayed and cleaned. IIRC. I think Cindy knew she was cleaning up after Casey(as usual)but did not think it was Caylee at that point. Her knowing that came very soon after though. IMO.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71871&highlight=car
(Car Wash)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70785&highlight=car
(The person in my daughter's car was not my granddaughter!)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70088&highlight=car
(Question: Was the exterior of the car washed and when?)

...JS...