Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia #2

[reepbot]

7 SOCIT officers attended. That says enough.
That visit was way bigger than skinny dipping in front of a child.

Mali is up to her eyeballs in it. The airfield surveillance is probably watching to see if she or the video sharing son try to re-supply Filby around the airfield in person or by drone (Dezi likes drones).

The airfield might have been the agreed rendezvous site when the family split up, and the police found out, hence the constant surveillance there. The airfield is also positioned between the family bus and where Mali and the kids were originally staying with a friend.

All mine.

7 officers says nothing.

 

[Rocket333]

7 officers says nothing.

Seven SOCIT officers attending isn’t routine. That number isn’t incidental. They aren’t regular police. They’re specialist investigators trained for high stakes, high sensitivity cases. SOCIT doesn’t deploy in bulk for low risk warrants. They aren’t involved for low grade misconduct or vague allegations.

If Filby was skinny dipping in view of a child, and the child was distressed, coerced, or targeted, it could trigger a SOCIT lead investigation. If the exposure was accidental, non sexual, or not directed at the child, it might fall under general duties or public nuisance, not SOCIT.

SOCIT doesn’t respond to nudity alone. They respond to sexualised conduct involving children, especially when it’s intentional and/or repeated. Freeman’s actions must have crossed that threshold for SOCIT to turn up and lead. That means the case moved beyond preliminary inquiry into formal investigation. This wasn’t a knock and chat. This was to about evidence & arrest. Dezi knew the stakes, fired and fled. I suspect he has’t survived too.

 

[Marg944]

This cesna is flying in the “no fly” zone

Weather Station & Webcams | Porepunkah Airfield (YPOK)

www.ypok.org.au

 

[Marg944]

They went over the airfield and then disappeared.

 

[Marg944]

Gotcha!!!

Weather Cameras

 

[Lucy.D]

Seven SOCIT officers attending isn’t routine. That number isn’t incidental. They aren’t regular police. They’re specialist investigators trained for high stakes, high sensitivity cases. SOCIT doesn’t deploy in bulk for low risk warrants. They aren’t involved for low grade misconduct or vague allegations.

If Filby was skinny dipping in view of a child, and the child was distressed, coerced, or targeted, it could trigger a SOCIT lead investigation. If the exposure was accidental, non sexual, or not directed at the child, it might fall under general duties or public nuisance, not SOCIT.

SOCIT doesn’t respond to nudity alone. They respond to sexualised conduct involving children, especially when it’s intentional and/or repeated. Freeman’s actions must have crossed that threshold for SOCIT to turn up and lead. That means the case moved beyond preliminary inquiry into formal investigation. This wasn’t a knock and chat. This was to about evidence & arrest. Dezi knew the stakes, fired and fled. I suspect he has’t survived too.

If the SOCIT officers knew about the minds of the people they were dealing with, going with a crowbar to jemmy open the bus door and climbing in through the window when the man inside is growing madder and more threatened and intimidated by the minute is certainly NOT the way to carry out a search warrant.

Were the 7 SOCIT officers the ones hid when the others got shot allowing Dezi and his family leave the bus on foot and nobody knew or saw where they went.

Was it the SOCIT officer who said words to the effect of "too late" when Mali wanted to leave the bus with her 2 year old.

Was it a SOCIT officer who had the "good rapport" with Dezi who they thought could persuade a peaceful resolution or was he the one using the crowbar.

If SOCIT officers aren't regular police then what are they good at doing when it comes to handling sov cits.

I agree with you that it certainly must have been far more than indecent exposure why 10 police officers went to the bus following up an alleged historical sex crime.

It's a pity police don't release what the alleged crime was that they were investigating and then some of Dezi's supporters may not be so sympathetic towards him and maybe one amongst them might grab a slice of the reward money.

 

[essareem]

Mysterious masked figure seized by cops hunting Dezi Freeman revealed

Stanimirovich, a motorbike restorer, was briefly detained when heavily armed officers stormed his Standish Street home in Myrtleford on Friday before he was released without charge.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Motorbike mechanic and restorer Chris Stanimirovich was briefly detained when heavily-armed officers - many dressed in camouflage - stormed his home on Standish Street in the alpine town of Myrtleford, Victoria, on Friday.
But after the massive police operation on the property Mr Stanimirovich shares with his partner and children, he was released without charge.

In an interview, Mr Stanimirovich told the Daily Mail he was not a sovereign citizen and claimed he had never met Freeman, 56 - but accused the police of trying to draw links between the pair that weren't there.

'In all honesty, I believe they wanted me to be another Dezi or flare up to be used in the justification of them being here,' he said.

...
He said he had not been charged with any offence since a firearms incident six years ago, which placed him on a firearms prohibition order.

'It's done quite a bit of damage to my life since, and I have only found more trouble because of it,' he admitted.

...
Mr Stanimirovich claimed that police returned in the middle of the night just hours after he had been detained and released without charge in the earlier raid.

'I also had the police light up my house at 2.30am the morning after the raid and then sped off when I opened the door,' he told the Daily Mail.

 

[Lucy.D]

Someone's suggesting now that 4 weeks is up it could be the time that Dezi comes out of hiding.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/why-dezi-freeman-could-surface-soon-after-weeks-on-the-run/news-story/bade785dcdf8db26c5fe150121e67298

 

[sapphire blue]

Track Dezi Freeman’s radicalisation from family photographer to alleged cop killer​

Dezi Freeman’s Facebook posts over the years show grievances blooming into conspiracies and threats of violence.

Track Dezi Freeman's radicalisation from family photographer to alleged cop killer

Dezi Freeman's Facebook posts over the years show grievances blooming into conspiracies and threats of violence.

www.crikey.com.au

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Seven SOCIT officers attending isn’t routine. That number isn’t incidental. They aren’t regular police. They’re specialist investigators trained for high stakes, high sensitivity cases. SOCIT doesn’t deploy in bulk for low risk warrants. They aren’t involved for low grade misconduct or vague allegations.

If Filby was skinny dipping in view of a child, and the child was distressed, coerced, or targeted, it could trigger a SOCIT lead investigation. If the exposure was accidental, non sexual, or not directed at the child, it might fall under general duties or public nuisance, not SOCIT.

SOCIT doesn’t respond to nudity alone. They respond to sexualised conduct involving children, especially when it’s intentional and/or repeated. Freeman’s actions must have crossed that threshold for SOCIT to turn up and lead. That means the case moved beyond preliminary inquiry into formal investigation. This wasn’t a knock and chat. This was to about evidence & arrest. Dezi knew the stakes, fired and fled. I suspect he has’t survived too.

Great post, I agree! And also agree with OP who opined there could be more to the story re skinny dipping. IMO, if it was mentioned by LE on approach to the dwelling to serve the warrant or even start things off with "just a chat", it could have been them attempting a soft approach as an entre to try & diffuse things at the start and gain access to him without triggering a violent reaction.

Again, IMO, that could be why only 3 of them approached & the other 4 (ETA: 7, thanks for correcting me on their numbers @drsleuth) were farther back stationed along the perimeter IIRC, to be backup if he didn't respond & tried to do a runner.

Very early on (1st week or so after he murdered the officers & went on the run), I posted a link here to an MSM article that specifically said LE said the warrant they went there to serve him with was for abuse of a minor of a sexual nature under the age of 16 years old (paraphrasing, but very close, sorry I'm not adept at looking up old posts & reposting or linking).

It also said the warrant was for him being known to LE for committing "historic sexual abuse of minors".

Someone posted afterwards back then that if the one potential incident which has been mentioned (skinny dipping in front of or with a minor) was "what they were there for" and if that incident had occurred 2 years or so ago, so that (only) that incident could be considered "historic"; however, the details I read used the plural tense as in, "potential historic abuses of minors".

Written that way, it seemed more like he could have been abusing his daughter or other girls he had access to, but that's just me wondering.

IMO, he could have had a long rap sheet of suspect behavior reported or alleged in that regard, that LE had yet to be able to take him in for, and when they finally did try, he reacted with deadly force cuz he could have been getting away with it for years.

And when it appeared to him the time had come for him to actually be charged, he flipped out and murdered them and escaped to avoid facing the music.

Such a terrible tragedy all around...

And though LE did their risk assessment beforehand that led them to bring 7 LEOs and what happened was nothing they could have anticipated, they are going full force now with every risk elevated and every resource needed at their disposal, and they're closing in on him and will find him dead or alive. He won't escape justice.

JMO

 

[drsleuth]

Great post, I agree! And also agree with OP who opined there could be more to the story re skinny dipping. IMO, if it was mentioned by LE on approach to the dwelling to serve the warrant or even start things off with "just a chat", it could have been them attempting a soft approach as an entre to try & diffuse things at the start and gain access to him without triggering a violent reaction.

Again, IMO, that could be why only 3 of them approached & the other 4 were farther back stationed along the perimeter IIRC, to be backup if he didn't respond & tried to do a runner.

Very early on (1st week or so after he murdered the officers & went on the run), I posted a link here to an MSM article that specifically said LE said the warrant they went there to serve him with was for abuse of a minor of a sexual nature under the age of 16 years old (paraphrasing, but very close, sorry I'm not adept at looking up old posts & reposting or linking).

It also said the warrant was for him being known to LE for committing "historic sexual abuse of minors".

Someone posted afterwards back then that if the one potential incident which has been mentioned (skinny dipping in front of or with a minor) was "what they were there for" and if that incident had occurred 2 years or so ago, so that (only) that incident could be considered "historic"; however, the details I read used the plural tense as in, "potential historic abuses of minors".

Written that way, it seemed more like he could have been abusing his daughter or other girls he had access to, but that's just me wondering.

IMO, he could have had a long rap sheet of suspect behavior reported or alleged in that regard, that LE had yet to be able to take him in for, and when they finally did try, he reacted with deadly force cuz he could have been getting away with it for years.

And when it appeared to him the time had come for him to actually be charged, he flipped out and murdered them and escaped to avoid facing the music.

Such a terrible tragedy all around...

And though LE did their risk assessment beforehand that led them to bring 7 LEOs and what happened was nothing they could have anticipated, they are going full force now with every risk elevated and every resource needed at their disposal, and they're closing in on him and will find him dead or alive. He won't escape justice.

JMO

I agree, in one of the police pressers commissioner Bush said specifically that there are victims, as to a reason he would "not provide any further details as there are victims involved". I've linked it here again around the 22:00 min mark.

It was 10 officers sent .

The whole skinny dip story has come from what Dezi told his mate who told The Daily Mail....doesn't make it true & IMO far from it.

Freeman reportedly told associates that the charges related to him were due to having 'skinny-dipped' in front of a child.

It's understood, however, that the claims against him are more serious and could have resulted in a prison term.

Major update in search for Dezi Freeman

Multiple guns were taken from Dezi Freeman's property shortly after he escaped police.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[drsleuth]

DBM

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I agree, in one of the police pressers commissioner Bush said specifically that there are victims, as to a reason he would "not provide any further details as there are victims involved". I've linked it here again around the 22:00 min mark.

It was 10 officers sent .

The whole skinny dip story has come from what Dezi told his mate who told The Daily Mail....doesn't make it true & IMO far from it.

Freeman reportedly told associates that the charges related to him were due to having 'skinny-dipped' in front of a child.

It's understood, however, that the claims against him are more serious and could have resulted in a prison term.

Major update in search for Dezi Freeman

Multiple guns were taken from Dezi Freeman's property shortly after he escaped police.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes, thanks for this additional info & correcting me there were 10 (not 7) officers, @drsleuth, I edited my post to add that.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

If the SOCIT officers knew about the minds of the people they were dealing with, going with a crowbar to jemmy open the bus door and climbing in through the window when the man inside is growing madder and more threatened and intimidated by the minute is certainly NOT the way to carry out a search warrant.

Were the 7 SOCIT officers the ones hid when the others got shot allowing Dezi and his family leave the bus on foot and nobody knew or saw where they went.

Was it the SOCIT officer who said words to the effect of "too late" when Mali wanted to leave the bus with her 2 year old.

Was it a SOCIT officer who had the "good rapport" with Dezi who they thought could persuade a peaceful resolution or was he the one using the crowbar.

If SOCIT officers aren't regular police then what are they good at doing when it comes to handling sov cits.

I agree with you that it certainly must have been far more than indecent exposure why 10 police officers went to the bus following up an alleged historical sex crime.

It's a pity police don't release what the alleged crime was that they were investigating and then some of Dezi's supporters may not be so sympathetic towards him and maybe one amongst them might grab a slice of the reward money.

Good points!

I wonder if the SOCIT officers were there simply as back up for "what ifs" as to why they were on the perimeter.

Though they (LE team overall) must have certainly been collectively aware enough to "know the minds of the people they were dealing with", so they brought SOCIT officers along...

IMO, it was appropriate for LEO(s) in charge of executing the warrant based on their "risk assessment" which led them to staging the LEOs that way.

As in, they did not anticipate such a violent reaction upon entry as they decided to do it, partially because perhaps they knew he wasn't "allowed" to be in possession of firearms IIRC, and didn't know he may have made his own or gotten possession of one illegally, if their intel which they relied on indicated otherwise.

And/or they had sussed out who was known to be living there and around the place, and had no intel there was anyone besides him and his family living there, or thereabouts who were armed and/or violently "in league with him". It was just him, his wife and kids, so a family sitiation for whom they would need to consider their safety as well, and enter with a crowbar and not guns to face off with an a known armed individual(s).

My take on it, for what it's worth, is that they knew enough about him to be very wary & have specially trained LE there for backup.

Because they (LE team) were there to serve a warrant for non-firearm related charges, historic sexual abuses of minors, and knew there was a chance things could turn violent just the same, so came prepared for that with SOCIT officers onsite behind them...

It was his off the charts much crazier & much more violent response to being served for child abuse charges than anyone could have anticipated, on the whole of the matter.

It may have gone something like this, IMO:

We have sufficient evidence to serve a warrant on him for historic child abuse. He lives alone with his family, his wife & 3 kids, an infant, and older daughter and son. He isn't in possession of firearms through our best known intel. He hasn't had any recent run ins with the law. He has a history of being anti-government & self claims he is a sovereign citizen and is living "off grid" but he & his family are collecting public assistance/are "on the dole". He may have or has made threatening statements towards LE (perhaps on SM) in the past, but does not appear to be actively living in a compound type situation with other sov cits of late. He is living with his family & posts pics of himself as a native living in nature & doing his own thing. No one in the area has filed complaints against him about his lifestyle or threatening behavior in public. He is for all intents & purposes a "family man" living on the dole & off grid. We've received reports historically of his alleged sexual abuse of minor females and/or indecent ecposure, and he has a daughter he has access to in their isolated living circumstances, and people are talking about him & wondering if he is going off the rails of late & females around him are safe. It's time to serve him a warrant to assess the safety of females around him, minors in particular, and bring him in for questioning. It could be he has a hair trigger temper, and will not want to come in for questioning willingly and stand his ground in unanticipated ways, or will try to run from us to avoid facing these charges. He doesn't have a job or go regularly out in public, so we can't serve him except at his home out there in the boonies. So based on these known facts & our risk assessment, we'll have 3 LEOs approach his domicile and announce the reasons for the warrant as required by law. And if he doesn't appear and no one else says a peep (his family members) or comes out or appears to be there and responsive, we'll take a crowbar to the window to gain entry and see if anyone is in there. And have 7 SOCIT officers on the perimeter of the property in case he tries to flee or reacts angrily or violently and the 3 LEOs need to call for backup.

JMO

 

[Marg944]

The Cessna that landed at Porepunkah airfield this morning has come back again this afternoon - only for 13 minutes. This morning it was a 20 minute stop at Porepunkah.

I’m using FlightAware app.

 

[drsleuth]

For anyone who is interested, I catch killers podcast has recently had 2 episodes about Sov Cits etc & this case is mentioned.

Summary : Scott Murrin’s ex Helen Delaney is a sovereign citizen who has relentlessly stalked his family and tried to kidnap his sons. For years, Scott has been fighting to keep his two boys safe from their mother, and he’s not about to give up. He joins Gary Jubelin to share how his ex became a sovereign citizen group founder, the threats and fake arrest warrants he’s received, and the toll it’s taken on his young family.

Part 1

Part 2

 

[Someone8746]

Where has mention of a daughter of Mr Freeman come from? I believe there are three boys: a toddler, a teen and a young adult?

Also, police would have been aware of the firearms registration status of Mali. It’s recently been reported that her registered firearms have been removed from her since the incident. Police surely would have checked the spouses registrations when undertaking risk assessments? Even if those firearms were listed as being stored at another address, it still surely would have made sense to run check or two on her history.

 

[sunspun]

Where has mention of a daughter of Mr Freeman come from? I believe there are three boys: a toddler, a teen and a young adult?

Also, police would have been aware of the firearms registration status of Mali. It’s recently been reported that her registered firearms have been removed from her since the incident. Police surely would have checked the spouses registrations when undertaking risk assessments? Even if those firearms were listed as being stored at another address, it still surely would have made sense to run check or two on her history.

It seems there must be a daughter as well, because this "skinny-dipping" incident (which is probably more than just skinny-dipping) happened in front of Dezi's minor daughter and her friend, along with some of his other children (the boys), I believe. IIRC, it was the daughter's friends parents who reported him.

 

[Someone8746]

It seems there must be a daughter as well, because this "skinny-dipping" incident (which is probably more than just skinny-dipping) happened in front of Dezi's minor daughter and her friend, along with some of his other children (the boys), I believe. IIRC, it was the daughter's friends parents who reported him.

Thank you, I must have missed that info, I’ll go have a hunt for it

Edited after a search or two. I failed to find anything but mention of three children (we know there are three boys, a girl would have to be a fourth child)

 

[drsleuth]

It seems there must be a daughter as well, because this "skinny-dipping" incident (which is probably more than just skinny-dipping) happened in front of Dezi's minor daughter and her friend, along with some of his other children (the boys), I believe. IIRC, it was the daughter's friends parents who reported him.

I don't think that is correct. I've only ever heard about his 3 sons, no girl

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For the first time, the details of the shocking sexual abuse allegations against fugitive gunman Dezi Freeman can be revealed. The disturbing episode involving a young girl is alleged to have taken...

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Says here the skinny dipping happened in front of his sons ( the girl was apparently a friend of theirs )