Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia #2

[Seni]

But, come on, he went for a skinny dip. No more no less. He wasnt trying anything on.

The least of his charges.

 

[drsleuth]

Is ten officers usual when it comes to investigating something like indecent exposure?

Have you seen his previous interactions with the police? Dezi has a long history with Victorian police.

Also, it was a search warrant, so they were expecting to search for items, is my guess...........it was explained by police when a reporter asked a similar question

 

[Cryptic]

Is ten officers usual when it comes to investigating something like indecent exposure?

My guess is that the exacting answer would be: It just depends.

- "No" for Joe the self employed AC guy,

- "Yes" for sovereign citizen types and for people with a lot to lose (teachers, members of the armed forces, pastors etc) who have say, refused to cooperate. Desperate people can do desperate things.

 

[Cryptic]

But, come on, he went for a skinny dip. No more no less. He wasnt trying anything on.

The least of his charges.

A sudden skinny dip in the direct presence of a minor female who was not a family member.

He was not say, stumbled on while enjoying what he called "tribal swimming" in a remote area, nor was he evidently known to skinny dip in the company of say, adult males. My guess is that he had more on his mind than the joys of "tribal" swimming.

Might not have been sexual- rather it could have been a moronic way to show his rejections of governmental authority and social norms.

Then again, it may of been sexual. Seems strange that his chosen audience included a minor female rather than say, an over weight and hairy chested 45 year old dude from the Sovereign community.

 

[drsleuth]

But, come on, he went for a skinny dip. No more no less. He wasnt trying anything on.

The least of his charges.

This info is coming from a Daily Mail article , after his "friends" stated this is what the warrant was for.

But yesterday police said that they had not spoken to Dezi prior to the warrant, so how would the "friends" know what the warrant was for??

I posted about this , this morning

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Sep 10, 2025

The inside story of the sex assault charge against Dezi Freeman that sparked the deadly shootout with police​

For the first time, the details of the shocking sexual abuse allegations against fugitive gunman Dezi Freeman can be revealed.

The disturbing episode involving a young girl is alleged to have taken place years ago during a family outing at Mount Buffalo, the same Victorian high country wilderness where Freeman is now believed to be in hiding.

According to friends of Freeman, the allegations against him centre around a day trip when the self-styled naturist took his...

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[reepbot]

Have you seen his previous interactions with the police? Dezi has a long history with Victorian police.

Also, it was a search warrant, so they were expecting to search for items, is my guess...........it was explained by police when a reporter asked a similar question

I was more thinking if the number of officers present matched the seriousness of the crime rather than if it was to do with their methods of dealing with Dezi. Though surrounding his place with officers, instead of just having a couple of them appear near the bus, with the rest further back in the drive, doesn't seem like the smartest thing for them to do.

 

[drsleuth]

I was more thinking if the number of officers present matched the seriousness of the crime rather than if it was to do with their methods of dealing with Dezi. Though surrounding his place with officers, instead of just having a couple of them appear near the bus, with the rest further back in the drive, doesn't seem like the smartest thing for them to do.

I think Vic Pol are the best to ones to determine what they do & don't do. Sure, lessons can be learned.

My point was the number of officers were to search as well, per a search warrant.

And we have not heard from the police, what exactly the warrant was for, so cannot really opine on the seriousness of the alleged offence/s

And yes the police did use the words victims ( as opposed to victim ) in one of their pressers.

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Sep 5, 2025

alrighty....... !! a search warrant for an historic sexual crime against a child ( historic meaning, in this context, within the last 2 years) as the introductory warrant. .... AND

the subsequent search warrant for two murders and one attempted murder PLUS any other matter the DPP of Victoria deems pertinent to all matters in regard to Desmond Filby, ... AND

( my own personal opinion, ) pertinent to MRS FILBY..

Because the original warrant was not served, they were shot before they got to the door.

BBM : Commissioner Bush says victims ( not going...

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All IMO

 

[BreakingNews]

Understanding a disability a person has when conducting an arrest or executing a search warrant is of paramount importance IMO.
It's more than relevant to understand what type a person police are dealing, it is vital IMO.
Freeman wasn't going anywhere. Just produce the OIC as freeman asked to speak to and if that was the officer trying to open the door with a crowbar in his hand then that is shameful IMO.
Police did the opposite to trying to calm Freeman down IMO.

Police can't be expected to understand all and every detail of human behaviour. The officer who did most of the speaking was calm and caring. Police, nor many other authority figures can be expected to run around to please everyone. I thought they were very professional.

Btw, I have a 30yo son who is challenged by Autism and PTSD, ADHD and dyslexia. He doesn't expect the world to wait for him.

 

[reepbot]

Police can't be expected to understand all and every detail of human behaviour. The officer who did most of the speaking was calm and caring. Police, nor many other authority figures can be expected to run around to please everyone. I thought they were very professional.

Btw, I have a 30yo son who is challenged by Autism and PTSD, ADHD and dyslexia. He doesn't expect the world to wait for him.

Does Dezi?

 

[BreakingNews]

I was more thinking if the number of officers present matched the seriousness of the crime rather than if it was to do with their methods of dealing with Dezi. Though surrounding his place with officers, instead of just having a couple of them appear near the bus, with the rest further back in the drive, doesn't seem like the smartest thing for them to do.

Police do risk assessments before going to private properties. They base their strategies on the information at hand. Nothing to do with the alleged crime

 

[Lucy.D]

Personally I don't think any reasonable person can trust the police with anything.

IMO the majority of police try and do the right thing. That means doing a proper risk assessment with the person they're dealing with and not try to escalate a situation.
When police don't go about their job correctly it doesn't take much for things to go horribly wrong:

Officers charged with manslaughter after arrest death

Negligent manslaughter charges have been laid against two police officers after a man died following his arrest in a car park.

au.news.yahoo.com

 

[drsleuth]

Does Dezi?

Dezi is filled with hatred IMO

The world would be a whole lot better with more kindness in it.

The police were just doing their job.

No one deserves to be murdered doing their job.

 

[drsleuth]

Police can't be expected to understand all and every detail of human behaviour. The officer who did most of the speaking was calm and caring. Police, nor many other authority figures can be expected to run around to please everyone. I thought they were very professional.

Btw, I have a 30yo son who is challenged by Autism and PTSD, ADHD and dyslexia. He doesn't expect the world to wait for him.

I agree, they gave him plenty of chances & time to comply.

 

[Lisbeth_S]

1. What is the likelihood that the "friend" knows for certain what police were doing for which crime and which warrant? very low IMO. In fact, I wonder if the friend's knowledge of the alleged crime comes directly from Dezi's account of it. And I'm willing to bet that Dezi would not openly confess to something like child SA to his mates; IF something has happened, he would probably just minimize ('just a skinny dip').

2. Did the Daily Mail do its due diligence and corroborated the "friend's" claims? We don't know

3. What is the likelihood that police charged him with the wrong crime (ie. sexual assault vs indecent exposure)? Not very high IMO. Charges can always be changed or dropped subsequently, but I would assume that there has to be some probable cause to charge someone with a serious crime like CSA.

4. Some are complaining that police didn't prepare enough for a dangerous guy like him, some others complain that they didn't need 10 officers for "just" a search warrant.
Hindsight is 20/20.
IMO we cannot judge what the right approach was, and this is something the coroners inquest will hopefully address without biases with the only purpose of preventing future situations like this (and protect both the officers and the alleged perp).

 

[reepbot]

Police do risk assessments before going to private properties. They base their strategies on the information at hand. Nothing to do with the alleged crime

Well looks like they failed at the risk assessment when it came to Dezi.

 

[reepbot]

Dezi is filled with hatred IMO

The world would be a whole lot better with more kindness in it.

The police were just doing their job.

No one deserves to be murdered doing their job.

I think he's filled with fear.

 

[drsleuth]

I think he's filled with fear.

Fear of what?

 

[reepbot]

Fear of what?

Fear of authority, especially the police. A fear exacerbated by Victoria and their COVID lockdowns.

 

[Marg944]

The Police are back at the airport

 

[sapphire blue]

Fear of authority, especially the police. A fear exacerbated by Victoria and their COVID lockdowns.

Why do you assume fear exacerbated by Victoria and their COVID lockdowns? The majority of Victorians took lockdowns in their stride, even if not happy about them, there was understanding of the necessity at the time. regional lockdowns were nothing compared to metropolitan lockdowns