Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia #2

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Seems typical for those who have zero self respect or pride. similar disgusting conditions to those recently viewed of a certain property in Gin Gin QLD.
My thoughts exactly.
 
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Revealed: Dezi Freeman's chilling warning to his best mate just 24 hours before the fatal ambush that left two cops dead​


The best mate of suspected cop killer Dezi Freeman has revealed his disturbing exchange with him just 24 hours before the fatal showdown that left two cops dead.

Now former Australian Army soldier Bruce Evans, 60, has told the Daily Mail Freeman had been agitated and disturbed the day before he allegedly gunned down three officers at his home in Porepunkah in Victoria's High Country on August 26.

In a series of messages with the alleged killer before the deadly ambush, Freeman made a terrifying prediction to Mr Evans.

'There's just one part where he cracked the s***s and said he was going to drive away anyway,' Mr Evans revealed.

'He said he didn't give a f*** if he got shot or whatever.'

Mr Evans now fears Freeman will kill himself - but hopes Freeman might still be able to negotiate his surrender in return for a chance to air his extremist views.

He said the shooting of the two police officers was a tragedy which should never have happened, but hoped there might still be a way for Freeman to come forward.

'I think the best thing would be to set up some sort of Zoom meeting with him and give him some airtime,' he said.

'Let him explain everything from his point of view on the condition that he hands himself in.

Police are now grilling anyone he knows to find out if he's made contact with them since he went on the run.

Detectives got Mr Evans use his own personal phone to call Freeman after he was asked to go in to the local police station and help cops hunting the fugitive.

He revealed the fugitive's phone now goes straight to voicemail, but told the Daily Mail that was no surprise.

'I knew he wouldn't answer because the first thing he would've done was ditch his phone because you can be tracked on that,' Mr Evans said.

'The cop was the one who was actually trying it - I was curious as well - but there's no way the call would have.”




'Dezi may at one stage have stated that he's a sovereign citizen, but definitely not in the last couple of years,' he added.

'He realised that that was a crock, he spent a lot of time researching law and the largest part of that was to defend his family.'

But he said Freeman lived in fear of authorities taking his children away because they were home-schooled and he opposed vaccinations.

'I think that like escalated things for him, he got pretty agitated about that,' Mr Evans said.


So he was no longer a Sovereign Citizen, but still had a fear of the authorities taking his kids away. I have actually read that online from a lot of his old friends, they have always piped up and noted that he no longer was into the Sovereign Citizen thing. First time I've seen it mentioned in a news article though.
 
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Good questions. I'm just giving an opinion here based on reading MSM articles thus far on the reason for LE to have arrived at the property that day. I haven't seen anything specific in MSM, but I could have missed a statement beyond he had been charged or was being investigated for child sexual abuse.

Perhaps, LE brought "extra" manpower due to his recalcitrant behavior if he was not responding previously to requests for him to appear at the local LE station and/or in court about the child sexual abuse, and perhaps because they had looked into him and his living circumstances or lifestyle, and knew he might be a loose cannon regarding any LE interactions since he was, to put it simply "anti-government".

They could have been there just to door knock and speak with him and/or physically serve him papers which had been ignored in the mail, such as a mandatory "last chance" to respond before an arrest warrant was issued, cuz time was running out, perhaps?

They could have been there simply to arrest him because he was nonresponsive/noncompliant to LE and/or court mandated previous appearance requests?

As in, he had gone "askance" and they had gotten nowhere for some time following their protocols for contacting a man accused of sexual abuse of a child under the age of 16 years old.

Unannounced in any way, shape or form seems less likely, IMO, unless it was because the court had already punted to LE or LE was the lead and had already served him papers requesting he meet with them at the station and/or court house on a specific day/time, and he was nonresponsive.... maybe they gave him a window as in, e.g., "your failure to respond/appear requires LE to come to your known address within X days of this final request" kind of thing.

Announced beforehand, through whichever legal process, I would suspect, is why he did what he did, murdered them and then when they were down, took one or some of their weapons (if he was short handed, it being difficult to buy a gun publicly there I've heard), because he was adamantly opposed to anyone calling him on or taking him in for what he may have had victims and witness testify to which he had done to minor children, which is a felony, I believe.

Since they went there to follow up on child sexual abuse charges that were possibly recent (in last 2 years) and/or historic (maybe longer than 2 years ago), which has been reported both ways in early MSM articles anyway, the accusations and/or charges must have been sticking so they were beholden to confront him and force the next step of the criminal and judicial processes.

And he was not going to have a chat or come clean or be taken in for it easily, being an anti-government type purportedly, and LE knew it was a possibility he would resist. So the 3 LE officers at a minimum who approached his door whom he shot down may have tried an initial attempt to contact him while approaching his domicile, the formal door knock if you will, while armed LE (the 7 others) were backup behind them on the perimeters of the property to step in if needed, but not show too much of a force approaching the door with 10 LEOs if it wasn't necessary and would escalate things.

In case he didn't answer the door or ran, and they had to go after him and take him into custody, and the 7 backup officers were needed. The potential for gunfire had to have been in their minds as a possibility, and not totally unexpected, but what was unexpected was that he would shoot the 3 officers on their approach to his door without any warning was (unexpected).

I think it would have been different, LE's approach and stations and numbers of LEOs here and there around the property to catch him if making a runner, if they weren't "just there" to follow up on child sexual abuse charges, which isn't necessarily a crime which would trigger the perp to opt for gun violence.

For all they knew, he was a paedophile who hadn't responded to requests for addressing charges, with anti-government leanings, who could potentially do a runner, and may get violent, but what he did was way beyond the pale and well outside of LE's bounds for needing a SWAT team based on their risk assessment.

JMO
I am trying to find a link to the article, but I think police had said they had not contacted him about the search warrant prior to arriving at his home that day.
 
  • #225
Won't take the police long to find out. I think the media will give them their source.

imo
Seems like it could have only been his 15 year old I think? 2 year old and wife were in the bus with him and 20 year old doesn't live with him. IMO
 
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But Dr Goldsworthy said people eyeing the full $1 million reward could be disappointed.

"It's a bit like the lotto," Dr Goldsworthy said.

"You might find someone gets $100,000, someone else $250,000.

"It really depends on who comes forward and how important their information is."
 
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So he was no longer a Sovereign Citizen, but still had a fear of the authorities taking his kids away. I have actually read that online from a lot of his old friends, they have always piped up and noted that he no longer was into the Sovereign Citizen thing. First time I've seen it mentioned in a news article though.

So Filby was "no longer a sovereign citizen"? What was he? Maybe a "freedom fighter"?

It must be very difficult right now for the sovereign citizens who would not kill cops, or commit alleged sexual assault. It must be hard to have Filby publicly aligned with them.

If he is guilty of the sexual assault of a minor, of course he will lose free access to his children. It would become supervised.

imo
 
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If reports were correct, I found it strange that when police arrested Freeman's wife and teenager the police stayed a safe distance away from the house the pair were staying in and called over a speaker system to come outside with nothing in their hands.
There would have been more appropriate ways of handling things, but that method alone would have been one way to issue a warrant on Dezi with the whole place surrounded, rather than knocking on his door with a crowbar and climbing into the bus through a window. MOO
Understanding his mentality and realizing what he was capable of doing were keys to a peaceful outcome IMO
I think we have to be really careful here with crossing a line into victim blaming.
 
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They’re back…..

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If he was no longer a sovereign citizen then why do the police think he was getting help? Because I thought the police thought he was getting help from his other sovereign citizen members?
 
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Won't take the police long to find out. I think the media will give them their source.

imo
Oh imo they would definitely know. But what can they do about it?

Recording police officers during an interaction is not prohibited in Australia, provided it does not obstruct or interfere with their duties.

Publishing it would come under sub judice contempt but only after arrest or charging. So AFAIK at this point Dezi is still at large and has not been arrested or charged.
 
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IMO it was leaked with the misguided belief that it showed the police in a bad light
 
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IMO it was leaked with the misguided belief that it showed the police in a bad light
Of course, going for ‘the police harassed poor Dezi, look what they made him do’ sympathy ploy.

Zero accountability.
 
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Seems like it could have only been his 15 year old I think? 2 year old and wife were in the bus with him and 20 year old doesn't live with him. IMO
There was another guy who lived on the same property apparently and also the sovcit lady that owns the property so it could have been someone else potentially too.
 
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There was another guy who lived on the same property apparently and also the sovcit lady that owns the property so it could have been someone else potentially too.

It was filmed by the 15 year old son…


Throughout the video — — which police confirmed was “filmed by a member of Dezi Freeman’s family” — Freeman accuses police of being “Nazi thugs” and refuses to open the bus door as officers plead for calm.”



 
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If he was no longer a sovereign citizen then why do the police think he was getting help? Because I thought the police thought he was getting help from his other sovereign citizen members?
Hm, so the quote from his associate in the article was: 'He realised that that was a crock, he spent a lot of time researching law and the largest part of that was to defend his family.'

It doesn't reveal much (such as, it doesn't say he severed ties completely with that group), so perhaps the police assumed he still maintained his friendships / contacts?
 
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I didn't see this article already posted but it's quite interesting

 
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