Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia #2

[Susjay]

Take a book and some snacks and sit on the hill

And take wine I would suggest, blankets, fluffy pillows and take that huge dog “Fluffy” who belonged to Hagrid from the first Harry Potter book.

 

[Deleted member 371138]

By the sounds of it there's a very lucky copper who is alive today

Alarming new details emerge about alleged cop killer’s shooting spree

Dezi Freeman remains on the run from police with members of his family believing the father is likely dead.

7news.com.au

 

[BreakingNews]

By the sounds of it there's a very lucky copper who is alive today

Alarming new details emerge about alleged cop killer’s shooting spree

Dezi Freeman remains on the run from police with members of his family believing the father is likely dead.

7news.com.au

Could the family only be saying they believe Desi is dead to stop the search. Then he could resurface and be helped again by family
MOO

 

[Bats]

Could the family only be saying they believe Desi is dead to stop the search. Then he could resurface and be helped again by family
MOO

Yes, I thought the same. I suppose the investigators will have asked what it is that makes them believe he's no longer alive. Is it a 'hunch' or was there some sort of signal? I don't think the police won't stop until they're satisfied themselves.

 

[essareem]

Could the family only be saying they believe Desi is dead to stop the search. Then he could resurface and be helped again by family
MOO

Hard to say but the family (both Dezi's brother and nephew) have both publicly distanced themselves from him from the start and basically said what a horrible person he is / crazy nutcase / he ruined every Christmas / mentions of multiple breakdowns between the family and Dezi so I don't think they'd be on his side even though they have expressed sadness about his possible death.

 

[Cryptic]

I’ve no doubt he’s a skilled ‘survivor’. His love of the outdoors & the wilderness has been well reported. I would expect he’s done lots of ‘rough camping’, and I think it’s quite possible that he’s supplemented the family food (and budget ) with his wild caught supplies over the years.

Though I respect your opinion, there is a quiet voice telling me that Desi loves to hype Desi and that his survival skills are very similar to legions of hobbyist hunters and hikers.

The fact that Desi's "remote secret spot" appears to be a short mountain bike trail ride from a dirt road only makes the quiet voice louder. Granted, Desi appears to be in good physical condition for his age, Casual hunting, hiking and fishing are great past times.

But... when there is nothing to shoot- or one cant shoot for fear of discovery, and the fish are not biting, one gets very hungry, very fast. Even in semi wet terrain, the act of obtaining water, carrying it and storing it can be harder than it appears.

Improvised fish, crawfish, turtle and crab traps plus baited lines can net in calories- well, at least some of the time- if one can risk being spotted. Good outdoor searchers will know where to look for traps. Edible things can get trapped out fast- or there might just not be a lot to catch to start with. Things then start to go "Hungarian" get it, get it. LOL

Going into history......

Indigenous hunter gatherers from every continent and every time had a general preference for living in groups of 20-30 people. This allowed for division of labor and division of expertise when hunting and gathering. Less than 20 had less division of labor. More than 50 had too many mouths. A favorite slow death sentence used by indigenous was banishment. Survival then got very, very hard when needing to do it solo.

Even with a group, hunter gatherers the world over would quickly attest that finding enough food day after day can be tough. And that is when the hunting and gathering is being done by real career pros with out the need to hide from searchers.

 

[Deleted member 371138]

Though I respect your opinion, there is a quiet voice telling me that Desi loves to hype Desi and that his survival skills are very similar to legions of hobbyist hunters and hikers.

The fact that Desi's "remote secret spot" appears to be a short mountain bike trail ride from a dirt road only makes the quiet voice louder. Granted, Desi appears to be in good physical condition for his age, Casual hunting, hiking and fishing are great past times.

But... when there is nothing to shoot- or one cant shoot for fear of discovery, and the fish are not biting, one gets very hungry, very fast. Even in semi wet terrain, the act of obtaining water, carrying it and storing it can be harder than it appears.

Improvised fish, crawfish, turtle and crab traps plus baited lines can net in calories- well, at least some of the time- if one can risk being spotted. Good outdoor searchers will know where to look for traps. Edible things can get trapped out fast- or there might just not be a lot to catch to start with. Things then start to go "Hungarian" get it, get it. LOL

Going into history......

Indigenous hunter gatherers from every continent and every time had a general preference for living in groups of 20-30 people. This allowed for division of labor and division of expertise when hunting and gathering. A favorite slow death sentence used by indigenous was banishment. Survival then got very, very hard when needing to do it solo.

Even with a group, hunter gatherers the world over would quickly attest that finding enough food day after day can be tough. And that is when the hunting and gathering is being done by real career pros with out the need to hide from searchers.

I like the TV series called Alone. They are highly skilled survivalists who are much more capable IMO than in Dezi's wildest dreams. On Alone you can take 10 practical things to help you stay in the bush. Dezi took guns that he can't use.
Dezi has to stay put because cameras (one camera may have been broken but anyway) and people are looking for him 24 hours a day. He can't move, while the people on Alone can roam around freely, in a limited area I admit.
Some people on Alone have given up and gone home within hours or days of arriving. Many go home because they miss their family.
Dezi IMO is stuffed. He probably doesn't want to die, but if he's alive, faces the cops and doesn't surrender I think he will be killed.
But he is a genuine nature lover and I would like to think because I am a compassionate person that, even though he did an horrific thing, he was at peace in the bush and his body wastage, which everyone on Alone suffers from after a week or two, led to organs failing and his passing. I hope he asked for forgiveness from god and that's my opinion and many people will not agree with it but that's how I see it. RIP Dezi

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I like the TV series called Alone. They are highly skilled survivalists who are much more capable IMO than in Dezi's wildest dreams. On Alone you can take 10 practical things to help you stay in the bush. Dezi took guns that he can't use.
Dezi has to stay put because cameras (one camera may have been broken but anyway) and people are looking for him 24 hours a day. He can't move, while the people on Alone can roam around freely, in a limited area I admit.
Some people on Alone have given up and gone home within hours or days of arriving. Many go home because they miss their family.
Dezi IMO is stuffed. He probably doesn't want to die, but if he's alive, faces the cops and doesn't surrender I think he will be killed.
But he is a genuine nature lover and I would like to think because I am a compassionate person that, even though he did an horrific thing, he was at peace in the bush and his body wastage, which everyone on Alone suffers from after a week or two, led to organs failing and his passing. I hope he asked for forgiveness from god and that's my opinion and many people will not agree with it but that's how I see it. RIP Dezi

Whilst I generally agree. I don’t wish for him to rest in peace. What he did was horrific. His victims and those he left behind traumatised will likely never be at peace. IMO

 

[Marg944]

Victoria Police search private properties in ongoing Dezi Freeman hunt​

“Victoria Police have revealed their next moves in their ongoing hunt for alleged cop-killer and sovereign citizen Dezi Freeman, as the search enters its eighth week.

Police officers have trawled through a number of private properties over the past two days in the ongoing manhunt for alleged cop-killer Dezi Freeman.

“Over the past two days, police have searched a number of private properties in Porepunkah as part of the ongoing search for Desmond Freeman,” Victoria Police said in a fresh update from Friday.

“The search involves a number of specialist services and follows intensive searches conducted by tactical police in the area over the past seven weeks.”

The police also said an additional 33 officers from the Public Order Response Team had been brought in on Friday to conduct another sweep of the area.

“Further updates will be provided when operationally appropriate to do so,” the statement read.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/victoria-police-search-private-properties-in-ongoing-dezi-freeman-hunt/news-story/aea64fc70d4af6c2e6471cd07a0a48b7

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977221848585687211

 

[essareem]

Damn, $100 million dollars in 47 days. I had guessed $5 million per week.

$100 million! That's incredible.

And, at a guess based on how things have gone so far, there's still a long way to go.

Well, with no expense spared, a million dollar reward, and Australia's largest tactical operation - Dezi either has superpowers, or he is dead.

Imagine how much it has cost local businesses now. I suspect the $5,000 grant won't cut it.

 

[Cryptic]

Well, with no expense spared, a million dollar reward, and Australia's largest tactical operation - Dezi either has superpowers, or he is dead.

I agree.

I deeply suspect that Australia, though a close ally of the US, does not want to become the US in regards to over all gun violence and where the deaths of two police officers is the new normal.

My bet is that the dollar amount of the search is also being matched by a lot of specialists. These specialists would include racking / bush life experts from the deep outback that are then matched with select groups of officers as trackers and consultants.

Whether indigenous or white, law enforcement, military reservists, or "special consultants" the skills of these people are going to be way beyond the Freeman's likely weekend / hobby hunting, canoeing and hiking skills.

 

[BreakingNews]

Damn, $100 million dollars in 47 days. I had guessed $5 million per week.

$100 million! That's incredible.

And, at a guess based on how things have gone so far, there's still a long way to go.

Well, with no expense spared, a million dollar reward, and Australia's largest tactical operation - Dezi either has superpowers, or he is dead.

Imagine how much it has cost local businesses now. I suspect the $5,000 grant won't cut it.

I would not want to be a taxpayer in Victoria

 

[drsleuth]

How do police search dogs earn their badge? - ABC listen

Police dogs have been an essential tool in the manhunt for alleged gunman Dezi Freeman.

www.abc.net.au

How does a four-legged police officer earn its badge?​

Hundreds of police officers have searched for alleged gunman Dezi Freeman across Victoria, and some of them have four legs.

The Dog Squad has been an essential tool in the largest tactical search in Australia's history.

Police dog trainer and former air force dog handler Jase Kelly told Sharnelle and Bob how police dogs earn their badges.

Audio in link

 

[drsleuth]

Major update on search for accused cop-killer Dezi Freeman

After seven weeks of fruitless searching, Victoria Police have announced a major update on their hunt for accused cop killer Dezi Freeman.

thenightly.com.au

On Tuesday, police announced they were partially reopening that park, which had been closed to the public and the subject of intensive search efforts since the incident.
“Some areas of the park will remain restricted and members of the public will be prohibited from accessing,” a written police statement read.
The move comes after searches of the park and surrounds and hundreds of interviews failed to turn up any signs of Mr Freeman.

 

[Bekind89]

Now I really believe he is no longer alive, but who knows?

 

[essareem]

Police make shock admission about the search for Dezi Freeman

The troubling news comes nearly two months after Dezi Freeman allegedly shot and killed two police officers in cold blood.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Police have spoken to more than 800 people, searched hundreds of properties and investigated over 1,600 pieces of intelligence, including public tips.

Despite nearly two months of fruitless searching, Commissioner Mike Bush said finding Freeman remained one of the force's top priorities.

'Is he still alive? We don't know. Is he alive and still in the area? We have no real information to suggest that,' he told reporters on Monday.

So, I could be wrong, but it sounds to me as though after 7 weeks of searching, and an estimated $100m spent, they haven't found a single trace of Dezi.

Perhaps it's time to cut right back to a specialised small team. I assume they've already placed many cameras and other sensor equipment all over the whole area.

In my opinion, I can't justify spending such a huge sum of money (which is growing as the days pass), and resources on a man who they don't know whether he is in the area or even still alive. I could understand if they were finding traces / actively tracking him, but again, it certainly sounds like this isn't the case.

I assume most of those resources wouldn't just be 'spare' and would have to be pulled from other areas.

MOO.

 

[Bats]

Police make shock admission about the search for Dezi Freeman

The troubling news comes nearly two months after Dezi Freeman allegedly shot and killed two police officers in cold blood.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Police have spoken to more than 800 people, searched hundreds of properties and investigated over 1,600 pieces of intelligence, including public tips.

Despite nearly two months of fruitless searching, Commissioner Mike Bush said finding Freeman remained one of the force's top priorities.

'Is he still alive? We don't know. Is he alive and still in the area? We have no real information to suggest that,' he told reporters on Monday.

So, I could be wrong, but it sounds to me as though after 7 weeks of searching, and an estimated $100m spent, they haven't found a single trace of Dezi.

Perhaps it's time to cut right back to a specialised small team. I assume they've already placed many cameras and other sensor equipment all over the whole area.

In my opinion, I can't justify spending such a huge sum of money (which is growing as the days pass), and resources on a man who they don't know whether he is in the area or even still alive. I could understand if they were finding traces / actively tracking him, but again, it certainly sounds like this isn't the case.

I assume most of those resources wouldn't just be 'spare' and would have to be pulled from other areas.

MOO.

JMO
The Police don't have an unlimited budget and just like any business, they will be regularly analysing the worthiness and effectiveness of what they are doing.
They would have their best people working on the on-going and future strategies to find this killer.

Also, from the article....
"Daily Mail previously reported the search is estimated to have cost taxpayers up to $100million, with hundreds of heavily-armed officers remaining in the area"

What does this even mean?
The way I read it, the search has cost anywhere between 1 dollar and 100 million dollars. I perhaps have missed a previous article where they quote the source of this figure.
I do expect the search has been costly though. I'm sure a helicopter alone would be over $100k per day.

 

[JLZ]

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Good reminder of the cold conditions. Where I am, and in a lot of Australia, we're suffering from a heatwave.