Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia

[Monstradamus]

If I'm remembering correctly I believe there was a key coded gate at the start of the property. Good chance that could have alerted people to LE presence before they made their way down the driveway.

Yes, and he had motion cameras set up.

 

[Marg944]

Pretty sure we haven’t been told the distance from this camera on the front gate to where his bus was.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/major-manhunt-for-accused-double-cop-killer-dezi-freeman-continues-on-wednesday-around-porepunkah/live-coverage/22e64ea9be5f5e24df3452f59ede3d53

 

[Marg944]

From this pic, it looks like the driveway could be pretty long….. with Fabio’s powerhouse blocking the way….

 

[sunspun]

Being such a longtime area resident as he was, is it possible he was given a tip by some rogue officer in the department? Maybe even a relative or someone he went to school with who worked there? Maybe not even an officer, but an admin type civilian employee who knew Dezi. But with his known anti-LE stance, probably not.

I'm really surprised that the police seem to be sure he's still on the run and not dead from suicide. Don't think I've heard them giving that possibility any speculation yet at all. I know they'd still continue the manhunt until they find him, no matter whether it's him or his body or remains, but surprised I haven't heard them talking about that possibility. In the Travis Decker case, for instance, in the US, I think LE there probably thinks it's at least as likely, if not likelier that he's dead, but they still consider him on the run and keep searching, though seems like they more expect to find him dead than alive. But the police in Dezi's case only talk about him as if he's still alive and evading them still, at least that I've heard.

 

[Trooper]

If DF knew beforehand he had a warrant, sorry please help me understand how he would? I do think he planned to ambush those officers and then take off for a friend to hide him imo

I dont know how Myrtleford Police go about their business, but it would not be unusual for the unfortunate recipient to know that a warrant is on it's way. There are a lot of lengthy steps that have taken place before this happens. I am pretty sure that Dez would know there had been trouble, somewhere, he would have at least been interviewed, like the person, or persons who made the complaint .


They would have to tell their story, with backup , that story is investigated, the person accused is approached to tell their view of the incident, and this is where I don't know exactly what part it was up to, insofar as...

The warrant may have been for the original and first up interview, sometimes, in cases like this it does not do to merely ask the accused to front up for a little chat. A summons is often necessary, because it is something no one wants to do, no one, at all, much less your Dez's of this world..

Or it may have been a summons after he had been interviewed on the matter and found to have a case to answer. That is , on the strength of his manner and approach and co operation and credibility ,his capacity to recall and his truthfulness weighed up against a childs carefully vetted and overseen interview, a decision was made to process the case further along the legal avenue.

SO that is what I don't know, and cannot even make a guess at, was it the first go or the second go.

( Addendum )...( this is a purely personal view. 99 out of 100 of these kind of crimes go unreported and unscrutinised, because (a) it's a child and children are unreliable witnesses at times, and (b) the power imbalance is huge, and (c) sometimes parents will not put their child thru the court process and who can blame them and (d) sometimes the perpetrator is a master of ingenuity from years of long practice . And tells an entirely believable story.

Lots of other reasons too. Juries are hesitant to convict on the say-so of a kid.... all this is intertwined.. The fact that the matter has got this far ( to summons level ) is some indication of the weight the accusation is loaded with. )

The police would have rung Dez to say they were on their way, no point in heading out there if he is not at home, and only the wife is there, that negates the reason for 6 coppers to go with the papers..

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I dont know how Myrtleford Police go about their business, but it would not be unusual for the unfortunate recipient to know that a warrant is on it's way. There are a lot of lengthy steps that have taken place before this happens. I am pretty sure that Dez would know there had been trouble, somewhere he would have at least been interviewed, like the person, or persons who made the complaint .


They would have to tell their story, with backup , that story is investigated, the person accused is approached to tell their view of the incident, and this is where I don't know exactly what part it was up to, insofar as...

The warrant may have been for the original and first up interview, sometimes, in cases like this it does not do to merely ask the accused to front up for a little chat. A summons is often necessary, because it is something no one wants to do, no one, at all, much less your Dez's of this world..

Or it may have been a summons after he had been interviewed on the matter and found to have a case to answer. That is , on the strength of his manner and approach and co operation and credibility ,his capacity to recall and his truthfulness weighed up against a childs carefully vetted and overseen interview, a decision was made to process the case further along the legal avenue.

SO that is what I don't know, and cannot even make a guess at, was it the first go or the second go.

( Addendum )...( this is a purely personal view. 99 out of 100 of these kind of crimes go unreported and unscrutinised, because (a) it's a child and children are unreliable witnesses at times, and the power imbalance is huge, and sometimes parents will not put their child thru the court process and who can blame them and sometimes the perpetrator is a master of ingenuity from years of long practice . And tells an entirely believable story.

Lots of other reasons too. Juries are hesitant to convict on the say-so of a kid.... all this is intertwined.. The fact that the matter has got this far ( to summons level ) is some indication of the weight the accusation is loaded with. )

The police would have rung Dez to say they were on their way, no point in heading out there if he is not at home, and only the wife is there, that negates the reason for 6 coppers to go with the papers..

I highly doubt they rang him to let him know they were coming. That gives him every chance to flee. I’m pretty sure they don’t give criminals a heads up that they are on their way to get them.

 

[Elley Mae]

From what i read the first shot dez shot through the door, sems he had a heads up they were cominv for him.

 

[Trooper]

I highly doubt they rang him to let him know they were coming. That gives him every chance to flee. I’m pretty sure they don’t give criminals a heads up that they are on their way to get them.

at this point he is not a criminal, he is the recipient of a warrant. This is a country police station , it's not as if Dez is just around the corner. They have a schedule to keep and it is normal to ring to ascertain of the required person is home or is somewhere else.. Highly doubt is a bit of a stretch, really because its often done in the suburbs too. It is not an unusual event.

 

[Trooper]

Being such a longtime area resident as he was, is it possible he was given a tip by some rogue officer in the department? Maybe even a relative or someone he went to school with who worked there? Maybe not even an officer, but an admin type civilian employee who knew Dezi. But with his known anti-LE stance, probably not.

I'm really surprised that the police seem to be sure he's still on the run and not dead from suicide. Don't think I've heard them giving that possibility any speculation yet at all. I know they'd still continue the manhunt until they find him, no matter whether it's him or his body or remains, but surprised I haven't heard them talking about that possibility. In the Travis Decker case, for instance, in the US, I think LE there probably thinks it's at least as likely, if not likelier that he's dead, but they still consider him on the run and keep searching, though seems like they more expect to find him dead than alive. But the police in Dezi's case only talk about him as if he's still alive and evading them still, at least that I've heard.

I don't know how it's done in Florida, but Dez was a well known and very well understood part of the Porepunkah community... plain as day, the long suffering public and the even longer suffering police community had weekly dealings with Dez. It would be quite odd if they wanted Dez to evade justice. It would be a chance in a million that Dez had, unknown to the local constabulary a tweaker on the inside leaking info to Dez...

I would absolutely bet on the premise that Dez had aready got wind of some major revolting accusation backed by testimony held in the sweaty palms of Wangaratta and Myrtleford police personnel, and he was well aware that the matter had progessed to possibly summons stage,

 

[Marg944]

Yesterday’s news. The video in this post shows the helicopters very, very low and the area I’m pretty sure looks like the trees surrounding the airport where those huddling cows live.

Search effort appears to converge​

“A volley of loud explosions echoed through Porepunkah on Monday afternoon as police continue to hunt wanted man Dezi Freeman.

Shortly after 3.30pm, several police vehicles raced to two separate addresses - which are a short distance from each other on the outskirts of town - where Daily Mail heard six loud bangs followed by two more a minute later.

A police chopper circled tightly above the scene, at one point dipping extremely low to the ground, just a few metres above the treeline.

Marked police cars blocked the entrance to Cavedons Lane, just off the Alpine Highway entering Porepunkah from the north-west.

Around the same time, unmarked police vehicles also were also seen entering a property on Mt Buffalo Road - less than a kilometre from the Rayner Track bush compound where Freeman is accused of murdering two police officers and injuring a third.

A resident on Mount Buffalo Road confirmed exclusively to Daily Mail that he too had heard the explosions and described them as possibly sounding like gunshots.”

Dark reality of hunt for Dezi Freeman as search enters day seven

More to follow.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MollyHarps]

I’ve been away for a few days and was hoping this horror would be over when I came back

I’ve just caught up on this thread - Im sorry if Im being stupid but if law enforcement believe hes still ‘in the bush’ then how are very convinced people are helping him? Surely they’d see if people were walking into the bush to provide resources - also any communication lines would surely be dead by now.

If he’s alive still then I believe he’s being housed up somewhere - if he’s in the bush I think he will be dead by now.

 

[essareem]

Pretty sure we haven’t been told the distance from this camera on the front gate to where his bus was.


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https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/major-manhunt-for-accused-double-cop-killer-dezi-freeman-continues-on-wednesday-around-porepunkah/live-coverage/22e64ea9be5f5e24df3452f59ede3d53

This is not a camera, it is a gate alarm. You know when you walk through the doors of a shop and a beep goes off? It's like that.

 

[Trooper]

Police reviewing 'remarkable' amount of new Dezi Freeman information

A week on from a shooting in Victoria's north east that killed two police officers, the alleged gunman remains on the run.

www.abc.net.au

Providing an update on Tuesday morning, Superintendent Kahan said police had received a "remarkable" amount of information in the past 18 hours.

He also said that posting a reward in relation for information was "an avenue that we will explore".

"All I say is that the number of police in the area is increasing at the end of the week [since the shooting]," he said.

"So instead of decreasing our commitment to this, we're increasing, and we'll continue to throw the full arm of Victoria Police towards the search for this armed fugitive."

( I don't know why they have not posted a reward amount, anybody from Bright to Shepparton, from Beechworth to Tawonga would probably sell Dez down the river for a few slabs of beer, it wouldn't take much, and it would be very quick.)

 

[Rocket333]

I would absolutely bet on the premise that Dez had aready got wind of some major revolting accusation backed by testimony held in the sweaty palms of Wangaratta and Myrtleford police personnel, and he was well aware that the matter had progessed to possibly summons stage

He would’ve been well aware and this sounds like a choreographed ambush, with family present. Mali was with him so how would she have not known his plans before, during and after? The context of the minor (age, character etc) isn’t known, however they may have been old enough or reliable enough to demonstrate stronger credibility and he knew that. Or he might have just been collapsing and finally snapped (mental health concerns mentioned previously).

 

[Rocket333]

Police reviewing 'remarkable' amount of new Dezi Freeman information

A week on from a shooting in Victoria's north east that killed two police officers, the alleged gunman remains on the run.

www.abc.net.au

Providing an update on Tuesday morning, Superintendent Kahan said police had received a "remarkable" amount of information in the past 18 hours.

He also said that posting a reward in relation for information was "an avenue that we will explore".

"All I say is that the number of police in the area is increasing at the end of the week [since the shooting]," he said.

"So instead of decreasing our commitment to this, we're increasing, and we'll continue to throw the full arm of Victoria Police towards the search for this armed fugitive."

( I don't know why they have not posted a reward amount, anybody from Bright to Shepparton, from Beechworth to Tawonga would probably sell Dez down the river for a few slabs of beer, it wouldn't take much, and it would be very quick.)

Maybe the surge of community tips already pouring in and the strong public engagement signals confidence in current tactics and progress and a monetary incentive isn’t quite yet needed.

 

[Trooper]

He would’ve been well aware and this sounds like a choreographed ambush, with family present. Mali was with him so how would she have not known his plans before, during and after? The context of the minor (age, character etc) isn’t known, however they may have been old enough or reliable enough to demonstrate stronger credibility and he knew that. Or he might have just been collapsing and finally snapped (mental health concerns mentioned previously).

I would find it hard to believe that Mali was not completely up to speed re the summons, and the reason for that summons.. always the wives are questioned.

For
Obvious
Reasons

She would have been well and truly aware of the whole enchilada.

 

[Marg944]

Some more yesterdays news:-

Family of alleged cop killer Dezi Freeman issues a chilling five-word warning to Australia about how the massive manhunt will end​

“The family of suspected cop killer Dezi Freeman has warned 'he won't go to jail' if the alleged double cop killer is eventually tracked down by the 450-strong search team trying to find him.

Now a family member, speaking exclusively to Daily Mail on the condition of anonymity, has revealed they fear what he is capable of if cornered.

'He won't go to jail. Never. Ever,' the family member said.

'He knows there is a life sentence waiting for him and he won't serve a single day of it.

'There are no good outcomes but he would rather live in the bush, take his own life or a possible shootout with the police - death by cop so to speak.'

Freeman's family rejects his extreme anti-authoritarian views, saying their 'hearts' are with the police and have come to accept they may never see the father-of-three again. “

Family of alleged double cop killer reveal chilling end game

Freeman, 56, fled into the bush a week ago after a bloody ambush at his property in Porepunkah, about 300km north east of Melbourne.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Rocket333]

I would find it hard to believe that Mali was not completely up to speed re the summons, and the reason for that summons.. always the wives are questioned.

For
Obvious
Reasons

She would have been well and truly aware of the whole enchilada.

Yep, the whole enchilada and a guac of selective memory.

The fact that she and the 15 year old son were bought in implies that they most likely believe she holds key information and played a role in shielding him, and is likely to still be remotely harbouring and enabling him. Then there’s the crafted legal statement that signals moral alignment with the public but shows no condemnation of Freeman’s actions or beliefs.

“It’s two different things to be speaking with police and cooperating with police.”

 

[Rocket333]

Some more yesterdays news:-

Family of alleged cop killer Dezi Freeman issues a chilling five-word warning to Australia about how the massive manhunt will end​

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Family of alleged double cop killer reveal chilling end game

Freeman, 56, fled into the bush a week ago after a bloody ambush at his property in Porepunkah, about 300km north east of Melbourne.

www.dailymail.co.uk

He won’t surrender & he’ll be executing a plan he has likely rehearsed in his mind for years.

“He won't go to jail. Never. Ever. He has been prepping for doomsday all his life. A comet, WW3, whatever that might be. And when that day was to come he would live in the mountains.”

Premeditated camo escape outfit?

Freeman was last seen wearing dark green tracksuit pants, a dark green rain jacket, Blundstone boots and reading glasses.

 

[Rocket333]

Yep, the whole enchilada and a guac of selective memory.

The fact that she and the 15 year old son were bought in implies that they most likely believe she holds key information and played a role in shielding him, and is likely to still be remotely harbouring and enabling him. Then there’s the crafted legal statement that signals moral alignment with the public but shows no condemnation of Freeman’s actions or beliefs.

“It’s two different things to be speaking with police and cooperating with police.”

By refusing to fully co-operate and sever ties, her actions are also endangering her children. Her maternal instinct seems extremely distorted.