Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[LambChop]

What happened to the shower door in that pic with TA in the shower? No metal frame or anything, was the frame cropped out :waitasec:

There is no metal bar. The newer doors don't always have them (last 20 years). jmo

 

[Niner]

Also.. I really enjoyed meeting such a great group of folks from such diverse backgrounds that for months met daily to watch and post every incredible aspect of this case. All the days we panicked because our preferred live feed wasn't connecting and 10 people would post another link, all the jokes about HLN 3hr coverage of 30 mins of trial, all the creative pics, the uploads of trial video, interviews and of course spending evenings watching interviews on Nancy Grace, Dr Drew and HLN Up all Night and how they got facts wrong!! Lol!

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[geevee]

Isn't the mirror and vanity across from the shower? Could that just be a reflection from the mirror? It was certainly not dark outside with plenty of daylight left during June. jmo

The mirror and vanity were across and to the left of the shower, directly across from the shower was the linen closet (see attached diagram). It's certainly possible, and I wouldn't be surprised, that the vanity light was on but the only pic showing any lighting is the accidental ceiling pic, showing the light on over the shower.

 

[wasnt_me]

My question is this- okay- the Infiniti was repo 'd. We know this. The BMW, she ruined/damaged due to hooking it up with a U Haul. The Prius was fairly new- didn't have a permanent plate yet. He did text her to get a job and start paying him. In all the books I read, Travis loved the BMW , but it was too costly, so he got the Prius, citing it being environmentally friendly. (It was Picture Perfect, if I recall that stated this). So, did he let her borrow it or did he sell it to her? Shouldn't there be documents to that effect?

That's the very thing. If the BMW was too costly for him, how in the world was she going to pay for it, and how in the world was he putting her on easy $100 a month terms for an expensive BMW?

 

[wasnt_me]

Isn't the mirror and vanity across from the shower? Could that just be a reflection from the mirror? It was certainly not dark outside with plenty of daylight left during June. jmo

The only thing directly in front of the shower is the diagonal angle of the closet and a sidestep to the hallway--and possibly the linen closet. this picture attached is taken, I believe, with the cameraman standing with his back to the mirror.



I wish I had the picture, but I don't, of Travis taking a picture of himself in his mirror with is camera. In that picture, you see the bathtub behind him.

Here's a link to a picture I know was taken from the sinks:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z216/disneymom69/Travis Alexander/IMG_0236.jpg

It seems unlikely that it would be any reflection off the mirror going directly into the shower like that.

In the police picture, it's more obviously a flash, hitting the tiles, the frame, everything.

 

[wasnt_me]

Thanks for those, do you remember what trial day you got #2 from? I'd like to give that one a closer inspection.

Yeah, I believe this was closing arguments when JM was going through the steps of the murder.

 

[wasnt_me]

What happened to the shower door in that pic with TA in the shower? No metal frame or anything, was the frame cropped out :waitasec:

I don't know. I suspect she was either zooming in or she was standing right there in his face. The bar across the top belongs to the actual shower door. You can't see it because it's swung open. But the silver frame on the sides, like I'm saying, she either zoomed in or she was standing right up on the shower, so that the frame was out of view.

She said she was a few feet back to keep the camera from getting wet, and that seems to be true at least from some of the shots at the beginning. It appears that she gets closer and closer, and at one point, we can see water drops on the lens.

 

[neesaki]

I don't know. I suspect she was either zooming in or she was standing right there in his face. The bar across the top belongs to the actual shower door. You can't see it because it's swung open. But the silver frame on the sides, like I'm saying, she either zoomed in or she was standing right up on the shower, so that the frame was out of view.

She said she was a few feet back to keep the camera from getting wet, and that seems to be true at least from some of the shots at the beginning. It appears that she gets closer and closer, and at one point, we can see water drops on the lens.

I dont know what else it could be, so that must be it because the other pic shows a silver metal door frame. Thanks :seeya:

 

[neesaki]

What happened to the shower door in that pic with TA in the shower? No metal frame or anything, was the frame cropped out :waitasec:

Eta: I finally get it That's a pic of a pic , zoomed in as you said wasn'me. The white is the board it's tacked to, I thought it was the bathroom wall, lol. Oh well, :facepalm:

 

[ElleElle]

Something about them doesn't sit right with me either, but I was under the impression that they were concerned when they learned he'd died. I'd have to go through those radio talk shows to get all that information again, though.

But, as I said in my response above, they stated that they called his webmaster, and they got the website password. They stated that they guessed it could be his email password and they were right in that guess.

Sky, in her interviews, made it sound like it got to the point where he was keeping it from her and Chris, and I suspect it was because they were so hard on him about it. I don't think Jodi was a "dirty little secret" from anyone but Chris, Sky and maybe Deanna--and this wasn't until after these three probably berated him about it too much.

This DLS (notice how close that is to LDS) business was a fabrication. Go back through what all his friends say and you'll notice that A LOT of frigging people knew about these two. Whether they knew all the sexual stuff, well, like JM said, who tells all their sexual business to each person they know?

Sky and Chris knew. They'd allowed the girl to have "her room" at their house.

Dan and his sister knew. Even went on trips with them.

Lisa knew. She'd seen Jodi over at Travis' house hanging on him even before she dated Travis.

Travis' friends saw them together at convention. She was the "blonde thing" in his lap while all his friends were around him and he was storytelling.

She was running around taking pictures in the background while he was dancing at some church event. His roommates knew about it.

I think if there was a time for her to become a DLS, it was after the tire slashing and people were warning him to leave that girl alone. He tried, but he couldn't. He was controlled by the sex.

I remember Jodi testifying that he'd dropped her off down the street while he picked up Naps so Deanna wouldn't know that he and Jodi had gone to the March 2008 PPL conference together. That makes sense--if it's true--because she'd vandalized his property. I'm sure Deanna would have lit her a new one if she'd seen her. She also testified that they had to explain to people why they were sitting together at that conference. Yeah, because people people knew of things she'd done.

Jodi was going crazy. Her mother said it. I gleaned from her mother's police interview that Matt had called her mom and told her to get Jodi some help, and that's how the idea of Jodi moving home came about. You can imagine that Jodi did kick her mom and send her mom back to Yreka if her mom was trying to force her to go back to Yreka. Anyway, I'm getting way off topic.

BBM ~ If this account is true, why didn't the DT go for insanity plea? :facepalm:

Because in order to be insane , you cannot know the difference between right and wrong?

Perhaps that is the trick up Jodi's sleeve - appeal insanity.

 

[ElleElle]

With respect, some people believed the world was flat once. Whether people believe or don't believe they had sex that day, doesn't change the evidence. The problem arises when people have to change the evidence to fit their theory.

You believe he had a WTH look on his face because it's the first time he saw her taking pictures. But with a flash coming off those tiles and no evidence of a shower door between them, he already knew she was there. That same WTH picture, in my belief, could be when he first saw the weapon.

Correct.. but a theory should not "be put to bed". :twocents:

We are not jurors, detectives, Medical Examiners (Dr. Horn - :loveyou. We are Websleuthers; and there is no right or wrong in this thread.

 

[ElleElle]

You're beginning scenario could have happened, but it would have had to have happened before that first picture we see with the flash and open door, and it ends in the same result. He knows she there and the door is open in all the evidence that we see. There are other photos that they weren't able to save that could be door closed, but in these we see, the door is open and he knows she's there.

I've already shown you the blood drop outside the shower that doesn't give Jodi time to do anything if a gun is knocked out of her hands. And if a gun is knocked out of her hands, and Travis can fight, I couldn't imagine any way she could get a knife out.

BBM ~ I think outside the box. Perhaps Jodi was performing a "Law of Chastity", and slit herself. Just sayin'

What injuries did Ryan Burns see on her? Bandaged fingers? How about bandaged wrists? :scared:

Jodi = Wicca Mormon?

 

[ElleElle]

Yeah.. I think you might be right about the Daryl/Matt involvement somewhere in all this..

As for Gus.. Honestly, I think he had issues with TA as the up and coming "star" of the western district of PPL was taking spotlight from him encroaching maybe in his idk territory?? But.. CKJA as all sneaky victim BPD gals used Gus' dislike to her advantage to gain sympathies, place to stay and of course the Helio! I kinda believe Gus' actions after CKJA arrest were self preserving he didn't want to look the fool and fueled by his already adversary inclination to TA posted it to the end so to speak...

Daryl was snowed plain & simple just too close to center of the 'fog storm' to know what was what.. which explains his support thru trial BUT I think once she was out of circulation sitting in a cell I think he started to doubt some things but felt he owed loyalty because it couldn't all be true Riiiiight?? (Hee hee had throw that in)

Matt... whole other bird all together.. I think Matt gave some assistance (besides obvious gas cans) but I want to believe he didn't know real situation again my intuition makes me think CKJA told him some story maybe left something important that she needed to get back or maybe even the camping story why needed gas cans etc He knew something besides time line why she tried to communicate with him and again I think this goes back to a crime/prejudice I mentioned before because JM eluded to Matt when she was on stand several times I think to get her to say something he could use to argue for additional evidence or bring him in as witness idk??

Funny how easily I can get sucked back into this case lol.. It was kind of personal to me as it happened in my town with people who I could have been friends with close to my age but more importantly it involved a woman who was BPD that reminds me so much of 2 women I have had the displeasure to know in my life.

Also.. I really enjoyed meeting such a great group of folks from such diverse backgrounds that for months met daily to watch and post every incredible aspect of this case. All the days we panicked because our preferred live feed wasn't connecting and 10 people would post another link, all the jokes about HLN 3hr coverage of 30 mins of trial, all the creative pics, the uploads of trial video, interviews and of course spending evenings watching interviews on Nancy Grace, Dr Drew and HLN Up all Night and how they got facts wrong!! Lol!

You Guys Rock!!

:cheers: Thank you! There are much more fundamentals to this case I believe, and I will not give up and let it be a cold case.

Granted, we all know Jodi has been charged with M1 - the Sentencing phase is not over.

I LOVE YOU ALL ! :loveyou: eace:

 

[ElleElle]

The mirror and vanity were across and to the left of the shower, directly across from the shower was the linen closet (see attached diagram). It's certainly possible, and I wouldn't be surprised, that the vanity light was on but the only pic showing any lighting is the accidental ceiling pic, showing the light on over the shower.

I am still not convinced no flash was used, until the 5:29:08 pic. :twocents:

This is no small bathroom.

 

[ElleElle]

The only thing directly in front of the shower is the diagonal angle of the closet and a sidestep to the hallway--and possibly the linen closet. this picture attached is taken, I believe, with the cameraman standing with his back to the mirror.

View attachment 40453

I wish I had the picture, but I don't, of Travis taking a picture of himself in his mirror with is camera. In that picture, you see the bathtub behind him.

Here's a link to a picture I know was taken from the sinks:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z216/disneymom69/Travis Alexander/IMG_0236.jpg

It seems unlikely that it would be any reflection off the mirror going directly into the shower like that.

In the police picture, it's more obviously a flash, hitting the tiles, the frame, everything.

Thanks for the pic. Now that I see the shower door open; it is possible Travis took a "quick" shower with the door open after Jodi "left" to Utah.

Remember: The time from first pic to dragging pic is 11 minutes; technically a cigarette on my deck.

 

[geevee]

I'd still like to know why, if these pics were taken all at the same time, there's something on the shower shelf in 5:24:30 that disappears 30 seconds later in 5:25:00:

 

[Shadowboy]

Geevee: Forgive me for not including your pix and for not directly "quoting" your entry; I couldn't make it happen (thank you stupid me/computer/connection)

Anyhoo... This references WS entry 1716 and your comment: "I'd still like to know why, if these pics were taken all at the same time, there's something on the shower shelf in 5:24:30 that disappears 30 seconds later in 5:25:00"

I don't normally get into the "pix discussion," but allow me to call attention to the (apparent) "loofa" hanging from a shower rack in your 5:24:30 pix. You can see the (camera perspective) left edge of the same loofa at 5:25:00 (seen in far camera right). If that's what you're referencing, it didn't disappear.

Granted, the 5:25 pix does not show the "patch and void in the tile" which is visible at 5:24:30. Remember, however, we're looking at low-rez, BARELY recovered "not even fully there" images ... displayed, then captured off an in-court video projector by yet another still/video camera ... and produced/compressed/reproduced/recompressed ad nauseum.

 

[geevee]

Geevee: Forgive me for not including your pix and for not directly "quoting" your entry; I couldn't make it happen (thank you stupid me/computer/connection)

Anyhoo... This references WS entry 1716 and your comment: "I'd still like to know why, if these pics were taken all at the same time, there's something on the shower shelf in 5:24:30 that disappears 30 seconds later in 5:25:00"

I don't normally get into the "pix discussion," but allow me to call attention to the (apparent) "loofa" hanging from a shower rack in your 5:24:30 pix. You can see the (camera perspective) left edge of the same loofa at 5:25:00 (seen in far camera right). If that's what you're referencing, it didn't disappear.

Granted, the 5:25 pix does not show the "patch and void in the tile" which is visible at 5:24:30. Remember, however, we're looking at low-rez, BARELY recovered "not even fully there" images ... displayed, then captured off an in-court video projector by yet another still/video camera ... and produced/compressed/reproduced/recompressed ad nauseum.

Thanks for your comments Shadowboy (loove your nic ), I should have made arrows to point it out, what I'm actually referencing is the small built-in shower shelf; in the first pic, something is on that shelf (directly in front of his forehead) and in the second pic, behind his shoulder/mid-back you see the same shelf with nothing on it. There's another pic (5:24:56) that shows nothing on it as well, but it's less clear (actually pretty blurry). But in 5:24:30 something is clearly there and not there later. And I'm stumped by it.

I cannot wait for the originals to be released, your point is well taken on the quality of these third-hand shots.

 

[LambChop]

Thanks for your comments Shadowboy (loove your nic ), I should have made arrows to point it out, what I'm actually referencing is the small built-in shower shelf; in the first pic, something is on that shelf (directly in front of his forehead) and in the second pic, behind his shoulder/mid-back you see the same shelf with nothing on it. There's another pic (5:24:56) that shows nothing on it as well, but it's less clear (actually pretty blurry). But in 5:24:30 something is clearly there and not there later. And I'm stumped by it.

I cannot wait for the originals to be released, your point is well taken on the quality of these third-hand shots.

In 30 seconds he could have removed the article for the shelf and put it in the hanger at the showerhead. Looks like it might be a razor. jmo

 

[geevee]

Arrows pointing at the shelf: