Preliminary Report Human Remains are not Hailey

[Tugela]

Because others preferred to not be making statements or jumping before the media this past week it does NOT mean they was oblivious as to what was going on this past week.


Not just that..if family members thought it was Hailey that was found..it was NOT simply due to the media gettings things wrong.

I know what my own opinion is regarding Billie but..just supposing she really isnt involved in what happened? She has been through hell this week and I dont get how the events this week could have happened

The danger with that argument is that someone is damned if the do, damned if they don't. If SA said and did nothing it would be taken as evidence as his guilt, if he spoke out and came home it would be taken as evidence of his guilt.

My personal opinion on this is that if someone does react and return for bad news in a situation where a discovered body is said to be someone, but is actually someone else, then that person doesn't know the body has been misidentified.

The location of the discovered corpse and the supposed "90%" certainty that it was HD would have left no doubt in their minds if they were the guilty ones, and they behaved like people who expected the body to be HD. That means they didn't know it wasn't. But on the other hand if they don't react at all it is probably because they know that they body is the wrong one, so why get upset. It is sort of like a lie detector test.

Based on their actions last week I would say that SA and BD have no idea where HD is.

 

[Tugela]

I agree with that but there were places closer where she could maybe of gotten a job.I do think personally that part of the reason was so that she could be on her own with Shawn without other people commenting on it.

It is a bad economy. Plus, a large part of her inability to get a job locally would probably have been that everyone around there knew who she was and many may not have wanted to be associated with her. That is usually bad for business and causes a distraction, so employers would not want her around.

I think she would be pretty much forced to move out of town to find work and escape constant harrasment, which would surely wear her down.

 

[For The Kids]

The danger with that argument is that someone is damned if the do, damned if they don't. If SA said and did nothing it would be taken as evidence as his guilt, if he spoke out and came home it would be taken as evidence of his guilt.

My personal opinion on this is that if someone does react and return for bad news in a situation where a discovered body is said to be someone, but is actually someone else, then that person doesn't know the body has been misidentified.

The location of the discovered corpse and the supposed "90%" certainty that it was HD would have left no doubt in their minds if they were the guilty ones, and they behaved like people who expected the body to be HD. That means they didn't know it wasn't. But on the other hand if they don't react at all it is probably because they know that they body is the wrong one, so why get upset. It is sort of like a lie detector test.

Based on their actions last week I would say that SA and BD have no idea where HD is.

Personally I disagree. Bones were found and in the local area it was being stated quite openly that it was Hailey. If they hadnt returned Billies relations and friends would have been asking tough questions - therefore IMO they had no choice but to return in the circumstances.

 

[For The Kids]

It is a bad economy. Plus, a large part of her inability to get a job locally would probably have been that everyone around there knew who she was and many may not have wanted to be associated with her. That is usually bad for business and causes a distraction, so employers would not want her around.

I think she would be pretty much forced to move out of town to find work and escape constant harrasment, which would surely wear her down.

The one thing you forget is that she had a lot of support in the local area. It was Shawn that people were against. Once they m oved to Austin..that was no longer a problem as people didnt know Shawn.

 

[txsvicki]

All I have to say is that Abilene, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa, and even San Angelo are pretty good size towns where one can find work, even if it's at Walmart. Two people don't need lots of money to get by and they would be close to organize and search for a little missing girl. The returning and not being afraid to wait for the identification of this body could be very telling. Now it's time to go by the timeline and start searching again in the areas where Haylie could have been placed. I've always thought it could be all the way to Lamesa or near San Angelo. Apparently even the closest and first places to rule out haven't been thoroughly searched.

 

[nobull]

Law enforcement are under no obligation to provide any information regarding an active investigation. I'm not altogether convinced by preliminary reports that this is not HD. LE can release/leak whatever information they want, just as they are allowed to ask misleading questions and make untruthful statements when interrogating a perp. They could definitely throw out a red herring if they felt it would help the investigation.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Something about the small hands, because I think someone asked recently if they were sure it was a child. One of my labmates, a guy in his 20s, has hands smaller than mine. He always wears size small gloves, and in fact once when we were out of them he wore XS for a couple hours. They were tight but not so much that he was unable to do any of his normal tasks. This guy is shorter than I am by a couple inches, so I'd guess 5'3 or 5'4, but IMO just to see him walking by I wouldn't think anything of his height. Obviously I notice that he's not a big dude, but I spend many hours working alongside him everyday. I don't think a casual bystander would think he was a kid or anything but probably someone could mistake his hand for a child's, ESP if the tissues were dehydrated.

 

[WideOpen]

The danger with that argument is that someone is damned if the do, damned if they don't. If SA said and did nothing it would be taken as evidence as his guilt, if he spoke out and came home it would be taken as evidence of his guilt.

My personal opinion on this is that if someone does react and return for bad news in a situation where a discovered body is said to be someone, but is actually someone else, then that person doesn't know the body has been misidentified.

The location of the discovered corpse and the supposed "90%" certainty that it was HD would have left no doubt in their minds if they were the guilty ones, and they behaved like people who expected the body to be HD. That means they didn't know it wasn't. But on the other hand if they don't react at all it is probably because they know that they body is the wrong one, so why get upset. It is sort of like a lie detector test.

Based on their actions last week I would say that SA and BD have no idea where HD is.

I agree with this. This is how I am feeling about their response time and speedy return. It is not easy to pull away from daily life and get away so quickly. You might have to reschedule work, plan for pet care, do laundry for your trip, pay some bills so when you get back your power isnt shut off. There are prior arrangements to make. In this case I think BD and SA made this a priority to be there. I could easily see it being reasonable that they waited a day or into the late night hours but they came much quicker.
This alone is the first time since the very beginning when I find myself having a slight doubt whether they are responsible.

This is also the reason that I believe and will wait for DNA results to come in on this body. It must still be possible that the remains found are Hailey. This is the only way I can rationalize the events as they are happening.

I still believe SA and BD are the pair responsible.
It has always been the responses from BD that convinced me that she was guilty and responsible. I feel SA is a creep and odd but it was BD that never acted as a mother who was desperate, in pain, or desired to find Hailey.
She allowed a New Years Eve party to take place at her home just days into Hailey disappearing, what innocent person would do that? I would be crazy insane with grief and fear not inviting family and friends to celebrate as usual. Her actions speak volumes. BD gets no breaks from me.

JMO

 

[ozazure]

If you are faking the abduction of your daughter or stepdaughter, going on Nancy Grace, other media, blog talk radio, attending search headquarters, etc, you can go to a town where suspicious remains are found. You can especially do it if you are confident it is not her because she was put somewhere else.

I wonder what the perp of the victim buried there was thinking when Hailey went missing, if that body was there before her? That's some bad luck to bury a body of someone no one is missing, or have got far away from where they are reported missing and then have a high interest case break in the vicinity for someone else. I mean there is all the open expanse of land everywhere!?

Speaking of which, I have looked through the SAR threads but don't understand what's going on in them. What kind of land is it either side of the i20 between big spring and ccity? It's green at one level of zooming and looks dry at the next. Grazing land, some farms?? Are those white dot bits on tracks something to do with oil? What's that big body of water to the right of moss creek lake? I'm from Australia so have no clue about the area at all.

 

[Tugela]

The one thing you forget is that she had a lot of support in the local area. It was Shawn that people were against. Once they m oved to Austin..that was no longer a problem as people didnt know Shawn.

It is still a distraction. No business owner in their right mind is going to hire someone half the people in town have strong feelings about, because chances are if they do those people will take their business elsewhere.

 

[Mjskit]

The danger with that argument is that someone is damned if the do, damned if they don't. If SA said and did nothing it would be taken as evidence as his guilt, if he spoke out and came home it would be taken as evidence of his guilt.

My personal opinion on this is that if someone does react and return for bad news in a situation where a discovered body is said to be someone, but is actually someone else, then that person doesn't know the body has been misidentified.

The location of the discovered corpse and the supposed "90%" certainty that it was HD would have left no doubt in their minds if they were the guilty ones, and they behaved like people who expected the body to be HD. That means they didn't know it wasn't. But on the other hand if they don't react at all it is probably because they know that they body is the wrong one, so why get upset. It is sort of like a lie detector test.

Based on their actions last week I would say that SA and BD have no idea where HD is.

BBM Interesting logic. CD couldn't be located. Some story about an oil rig if I remember correctly. Even if I was halfway around the world I would have raced back for the identification. IMO

 

[Soulmagent]

I think the flea from CCity had to do with LE and fears concerning the preceived harrassment in the area, and the job hunt and an offer from someone in Austin. This is just opinion ,but I think it had more to do than one or two issues.

I also think someone close to her might have suggested she move out of Ccity's LE area. MOO. I think I would do the same after that many arrest of my family members and myself. LE reporting my every moment to the media. Everyone in CCity facebooking about everything I did , where I was seen shopping and plain out making up rumors and posting photoshopped pictures of my house ,and my body.
LE has said she is not a suspect, they have stuck to the 315 pm for the last time seen.
I believe they know Hailey played the XBOX during the day of the 27th. But that is speculation.

 

[audie]

Law enforcement are under no obligation to provide any information regarding an active investigation. I'm not altogether convinced by preliminary reports that this is not HD. LE can release/leak whatever information they want, just as they are allowed to ask misleading questions and make untruthful statements when interrogating a perp. They could definitely throw out a red herring if they felt it would help the investigation.

Been thinking the same here.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I'll join those of you who aren't convinced that this body is male.

With all of the messed up information that has been passed around by LE since the beginning of this case, I'm not ready to believe that this information is true without some proof.

Remarks made to the media by the lead investigator in Howard County indicated that the autopsy was in progress on the day that we were told that it was male.
Two days later we are being told that a "preliminary autopsy" has yet to be done.
Huh?

 

[SmoothOperator]

If this male is a child and bi-racial I hope Dna is analyzed for his ID but also to check for Haileys DNA. A hairdresser stated she saw Hailey with a bi-racial boy so it could be that they were both killed but put in different places or Hailey is close by where he was discovered. IMO

Are there any missing bi racial boys missing in Colorado City? One that would know Hailey and walk with her (if the alleged siting is true)?

Oh yes there very much is a young bi-racial little boy. .and yes that little boy did in fact walk to the convenient store with Hailey and the route they walked led them past the residence where the hairdresser lives/works..

The little boy is the son of Naomi.. Naomi is Clint Dunn's girlfriend..both Naomi and her son were living with Clint Dunn across the field from Billie/DD/Hailey's home at the time of Hailey's disappearance.. Hailey and Naomi's son did in fact walk to the convenient store BUT IT WAS NOT ON THE DAY SHE DISAPPEARED.. HAILEY AND THE LITTLE BOY WALKED TO THE STORE THE DAY PRIOR.. store surveillance footage backed this up as well..

It is very likely the two were seen but it wasn't on the day in question but rather the day before..

And he's alive and well and accounted for..

HTH

 

[For The Kids]

I think the flea from CCity had to do with LE and fears concerning the preceived harrassment in the area, and the job hunt and an offer from someone in Austin. This is just opinion ,but I think it had more to do than one or two issues.

I also think someone close to her might have suggested she move out of Ccity's LE area. MOO. I think I would do the same after that many arrest of my family members and myself. LE reporting my every moment to the media. Everyone in CCity facebooking about everything I did , where I was seen shopping and plain out making up rumors and posting photoshopped pictures of my house ,and my body.
LE has said she is not a suspect, they have stuck to the 315 pm for the last time seen.
I believe they know Hailey played the XBOX during the day of the 27th. But that is speculation.

Erm what rumours were made up? and what photoshopped pictures of her house and body are you talking about? Also i thought someone spoke to the DA on Tricias behalf and they said she was a POI?

 

[Tugela]

The little boy is the son of Naomi.. Naomi is Clint Dunn's girlfriend..both Naomi and her son were living with Clint Dunn across the field from Billie/DD/Hailey's home at the time of Hailey's disappearance.. Hailey and Naomi's son did in fact walk to the convenient store BUT IT WAS NOT ON THE DAY SHE DISAPPEARED.. HAILEY AND THE LITTLE BOY WALKED TO THE STORE THE DAY PRIOR.. store surveillance footage backed this up as well..

The hairdresser was emphatic about the time, because she had a client when she saw them. I guess the questions would be (A) how sure are you that this store video surveillance exists; (B) if it exists, how sure are you that the camera's date was correctly set; and (C) how sure are you that HD could not under any circumstances have walked somewhere with the boy on any other day.

We don't know who the boy was btw. The hairdresser didn't know him, it was assumed here that he was Naomi's son. Allthough it probably was, you can't be sure about that because he wasn't identified by the witness.

 

[Tugela]

CD could be located and was in local area before the bones were even found. It was just sloppy reporting that said he couldnt be located.

Really? I don't think anyone reported actually finding him. The only thing to suggest that he was there was a fippant remark by the GM, and even she apparently wasn't sure where he was.

 

[stillwatersc]

BBM Interesting logic. CD couldn't be located. Some story about an oil rig if I remember correctly. Even if I was halfway around the world I would have raced back for the identification. IMO

Unless he was told up front that it was not likely Hailey - I don't think this is the case, but anything is possible. I don't see a reason to rush away from a job until you know for sure, at least in this case. It doesn't appear that LE was giving the family any special consideration, like personal updates or allowing them at the site. Another possibility is that he could be in total denial and not want to acknowledge that the remains could have anything to do with his child.

 

[stillwatersc]

I believe they know Hailey played the XBOX during the day of the 27th. But that is speculation.

My sons have online XBOX Live accounts they use to play against friends. If she connected to an account, they could verify it. I think they are able to chat with friends thru the XBOX also - possibly a reason why there was only one text that day.