Psychological Markers

[Theforeigner]

Does anyone have the photo of JT's post mortem 'Remy's Angel' tat? Much thanks!

 

[Dwntwnslim]

Does the perp fancy himself a “social engineer” in the following contexts?

Social-Engineering.org
Security Through Education
http://www.social-engineer.org/

Social Engineering (security)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(security)

Is the perp a competent and prolific computer hacker/cracker?

Has he incorporated cyberstalking into his stalking repertoire?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking

Is the perp a physical stalker?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

Stalking ^ a contemporary challenge for forensic
and clinical psychiatry
J. H. KAMPHUIS and P. M. G. EMMELKAMP
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/176/3/206.full

Is the perp both a physical stalker and cyberstalker? Here is a link to a paper on physical penetration testing using social engineering:

Two methodologies for physical penetration testing using social engineering
Trajce Dimkov, Wolter Pieters, Pieter Hartel
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...5JyRCg&usg=AFQjCNFk4I2fNK4pqqMxsxYFr9PDQyAlJQ

Has the perp been physically stalking and cyberstalking the people in his community for years, quietly gathering information to use at some future point? Here is a link to a story about someone who was cyberstalked. Could something like this have happened to some people in his community?

Wired Magazine
Linkin Parks Mysterious Cyberstalker
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2007/05/ff_linkinpark?currentPage=all

Has he found a reason to call his stalking “surveillance” so as to not raise the suspicions of those around him who have noted his peculiar hobby?

Might he have told the people around him that he has surveillance equipment and conducts “surveillance” for “professional reasons”?

Is he a “penetration tester”? Could this profession allow him to violate the rights of others legitimately and get paid for it? Here is a link to a wiki about "penetration testing":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_test

If he isn't employed in this profession, could he have acquired enough working knowledge on his own and use the knowledge to perpetrate his crimes?

Could he have simply told those around him that he is a “penetration tester” without really being employed as one?

Or, does he simply tell those around him that he has “surveillance equipment” and conducts “surveillance” to catch the “real killer”?

Is the perp lonely? I'm not exactly sure what the serial killer version of “lonely” is but, I thought I would ask anyway. Here is a link to an interesting paper:

The Hidden Suffering of the Psychopath
By Willem H.J. Martens, M.D., Ph. D. | December 31, 2001
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/55051#

Does the perp abuse mind altering substances? The following link is an interesting paper on the subject:

Comparing serial and nonserial sexual offenders: alcohol and street drug consumption, impulsiveness and history of sexual abuse
Danilo Antonio BaltieriI,II,III; Arthur Guerra de AndradeI,III
IDepartment of Psychiatry, Faculdade de Medicina do ABC, Santo André (SP), Brazil
IIPenitentiary Counseling of São Paulo State, Brazil
IIIInterdisciplinary Group of Studies on Alcohol and Drugs, Psychiatric Institute, Hospital das Clínicas, Universidade de São Paulo (USP), São Paulo (SP), Brazil
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?scr...1516-44462006005000067&lng=en&nrm=iso&tlng=en

Could the perp frequent websites that support sexual sadism and violence against women like a certain notorious sub-forum on Reddit? Does he use those types of forums to exchange ideas, talk w/ like minded people, exchange photos and other media?

Could the perp have access to voice manipulation software and can, in real time, change the sound and rhythm of his voice over the phone? Has he been recording the voices of people he comes into contact with to use in this endeavor? Could this be the reason why LE has not done a voice line-up (that we know of anyway)?

Does he know how to do things with mobile phones and landlines?

Does he know about caller ID spoofing?

Does he know how to remotely tamper with and reprogram phones?

Does he know how to physically hack into landlines?

Does he have phone cloning software?

Can whatever he does with these phones reflect on phone bills?

Has he tried to hack into LE computer systems? Has he succeeded?

Does he have pirated software? If it's possible that he has pirated software, this could give LE a reason to look through the perp's computer, IMO. All it takes is one song to send him to federal prison, IMO.


*I will expand upon some of the ideas presented in this post in future posts. Ideas, comments, suggestions, questions and opinions regarding this post are welcome and appreciated!

 

[Peter Brendt]

Very excellent theory IMO. I had not heard of this drifter before.

Agreed to the "seasonal timeline", in fact, I worte something similar last Spring already on my website in a profile. But the killer has a car, probably a pickup, less probably a SUV. So I think more of a construction worker/ subcontractor. A number of them follow the same pattern as the snowbirds.

 

[Peter Brendt]

After seeing this in bigger, I wonder. The cuts are all skin, not deeper gushes. This looks in a way more "playful" than "raging". But maybe I'm wrong, my eyes aren't that good anymore.

 

[nugzter]

After seeing this in bigger, I wonder. The cuts are all skin, not deeper gushes. This looks in a way more "playful" than "raging". But maybe I'm wrong, my eyes aren't that good anymore.

They also appear to be just before death or post mortem. I am no pro at determining this, but no scabbing at all. Also I noticed the width of the gashes. They are pretty thick. Compare it to the width of the tattoo. A razor blade or scalpel would have made some pretty thin cuts and would not be ideal for taking away a tattoo.
What would be the significance in removing the lettering and keeping the wing? If you notice there was an effort made NOT to disturb the wing. If he was wildly gashing around he would have made some sort of gash into a part of the wing. It seems real controlled. This means he may of had lots of time. If she was alive, and I'm sure the ME can determine if that was the case, this is a pretty sick SOB. If it post mortem, what significance is that?

 

[Peter Brendt]

Wow, that's quite a list and full of links ... so lets see:

Does the perp fancy himself a “social engineer” in the following contexts?

Social-Engineering.org
Security Through Education
http://www.social-engineer.org/

Social Engineering (security)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(security)

In a way, every SK, I have ever heard of is manipulative. Because even the most delusional cases from the mission-driven categories try at some point to convince people their fears (and by thus their reasons to kill) are real and acceptable. When it comes to psychopaths or psychopath+dissociative identity disorders (in the literature, we find more mild cases of DID plus psychopath, like Ted Bundy), they have often elaborate stories aimed to manipulate persons or a whole court full of people into believing they couldn't be the killer or their killings were in some way justified (read about Ted Bundy and his story with his grandfather's violent stash). So to a degree, they are manipulative. But they don't fance themselves as social engineers because it's not their primary motive to do what they do.
In this special case, given the victimology and especailly the dissimilarities between the victims, I think rather of overcompensation+control issues.

Is the perp a competent and prolific computer hacker/cracker?

I don't see any signs for that. In fact, given the length of his phone calls, he is still on the technical level of 1980 when a phone trace took three minutes. A hcker would know better.

Has he incorporated cyberstalking into his stalking repertoire?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking

He maybe watched also ads of the victims in the web, but cyberstalking leaves a lot of traces and even SCPD would be able to find him that way. They didn't. So in my opinion, rather not, or at least not extensive.

Is the perp a physical stalker?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

Stalking ^ a contemporary challenge for forensic
and clinical psychiatry
J. H. KAMPHUIS and P. M. G. EMMELKAMP
http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/176/3/206.full

Maureen Brainard-Barnes made her last phone call from a bus terminal, Megan Waterman left a hotel and disappeared. The point here is, in no case, the sifting through old phone records brought LE one step further. In my opinion, this means, we don't talk about a client, who orders them in, they were attacked after they left the clients or in case of Maureen, left the hotel on 46th. But this also means, the killer must have followed him because otherwise, he would have no idea where to get them. And that indicates a physical stalker type.

Is the perp both a physical stalker and cyberstalker? Here is a link to a paper on physical penetration testing using social engineering:

Two methodologies for physical penetration testing using social engineering
Trajce Dimkov, Wolter Pieters, Pieter Hartel
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...5JyRCg&usg=AFQjCNFk4I2fNK4pqqMxsxYFr9PDQyAlJQ

Bear with me, I'm old school. In my days, we called the very same thing "social hacking". Which included also a decade and two ago more than just talking someone in giving away ip-addresses.
However, as I said above, I think rather, he is a physical stalker than any kind of cyberstalker or cross-stalker type (because social hacking involves always both, in-/and out of cyberspace activity). In fact, all, he apparently knew about his victims were all details, he could have gotten from the victims (especially Melissa Barthelmy) or the victim's cell phone. He appears even unaware that one of his victims should have a little of a different clientele than the other three: Megan Waterman offered femdom in her ads.

Has the perp been physically stalking and cyberstalking the people in his community for years, quietly gathering information to use at some future point? Here is a link to a story about someone who was cyberstalked. Could something like this have happened to some people in his community?

If so, then Long Island is not his community or rather, his community is not in Long Island. The summer kills and only summer, indicate a perpetrator most of the year not around in the area. At least to me. If my profile is right, he is most of the year not even on the East Coast, which would render extensive spying on anyone virtually impossible beyond the time frame of maybe two weeks.

Wired Magazine
Linkin Parks Mysterious Cyberstalker
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2007/05/ff_linkinpark?currentPage=all

Nice link, but celebrity stalking demands at least some kind of celebrity. Those women were no celebrities in life. So this is entirely different kind of animal, we talk here about.

Has he found a reason to call his stalking “surveillance” so as to not raise the suspicions of those around him who have noted his peculiar hobby?

Might he have told the people around him that he has surveillance equipment and conducts “surveillance” for “professional reasons”?

I think, he is more a physical stalker who just blends in. He isn't around with a surveillance vehicle. Keep in mind the summer-kill-timeframe. He is most likely most of the year not even there.

Is he a “penetration tester”? Could this profession allow him to violate the rights of others legitimately and get paid for it? Here is a link to a wiki about "penetration testing":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penetration_test

I doubt it. A real "penetration tester" needs to be in self-control and this guy has too much rage to be that much in control. Which probably is one of the reasons, he started to kill in the first place.

If he isn't employed in this profession, could he have acquired enough working knowledge on his own and use the knowledge to perpetrate his crimes?

Theoretically yes. If he was ever a professional in the first place. This isn't a special complex or material-demanding business.

Could he have simply told those around him that he is a “penetration tester” without really being employed as one?

Technically, he could pretend, but I don't see the reason. His degree of stalking isn't that extensive, I think, we talk rather about physical pursue aka shadowing.

Or, does he simply tell those around him that he has “surveillance equipment” and conducts “surveillance” to catch the “real killer”?

see above. And in fact, most people are gullible enough to tell them anything. Damn, there were SKs out there, who told people what they did and people didn't believe it.

Is the perp lonely? I'm not exactly sure what the serial killer version of “lonely” is but, I thought I would ask anyway. Here is a link to an interesting paper:

The Hidden Suffering of the Psychopath
By Willem H.J. Martens, M.D., Ph. D. | December 31, 2001
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/display/article/10168/55051#

You need to be registered to read this article. So I didn't. But from the cases, I studied, "loneliness" is ver individual, just like for the rest of us. Some people don't feel lonely because they have 1000 facebook friends and never met one of them, others have dozens of real life friends and still feel lonely. So the difference is not, whether he feels in any other way lonely than "normal" people, but rather, how he maybe acts on this feeling.
In this special case, my bet would be, he feels lonely. This hasn't to do with him being an SK, but he is due to his traveling lifestyle probably divorced or hampered in having a normal relationship because he is for long months away. (you have to google me to read my profile on the website of my wife and me, I'm not allowed to post it here or link it directly).

Does the perp abuse mind altering substances? The following link is an interesting paper on the subject:

Comparing serial and nonserial sexual offenders: alcohol and street drug consumption, impulsiveness and history of sexual abuse
Danilo Antonio BaltieriI,II,III; Arthur Guerra de AndradeI,III
IDepartment of Psychiatry, Faculdade de Medicina do ABC, Santo André (SP), Brazil
IIPenitentiary Counseling of São Paulo State, Brazil
IIIInterdisciplinary Group of Studies on Alcohol and Drugs, Psychiatric Institute, Hospital das Clínicas, Universidade de São Paulo (USP), São Paulo (SP), Brazil
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?scr...1516-44462006005000067&lng=en&nrm=iso&tlng=en

Ted Bundy drank a lot of alcohol to bring out what he called "his entity". Berdella liked his weed, Dahmer was ambivalent as in he loved both together. I can imagine, this perpetrator would use at least alcohol after he snatched a woman. It helps also with objectization.

Could the perp frequent websites that support sexual sadism and violence against women like a certain notorious sub-forum on Reddit? Does he use those types of forums to exchange ideas, talk w/ like minded people, exchange photos and other media?

The bodies were pretty decomposed, but a good ME can also on skeletal remains find evidence of torture and in this case, he didn't. Of course, we don't know how much they don't tell to the public, so this is to be taken with a grain of salt. IF my original profile is right, this is not so much about sexual sadism but rather power and control to overcompensate some kind of subcultural induced inferiority complex. Thus, any form of abuse would most likely include vaginal rape but primarily verbal abuse and no extensive physical torture. This would be also consistent with his urge to make phone calls. So he has probably no need for torture forums. But as usual, that's my opinion.

Could the perp have access to voice manipulation software and can, in real time, change the sound and rhythm of his voice over the phone? Has he been recording the voices of people he comes into contact with to use in this endeavor? Could this be the reason why LE has not done a voice line-up (that we know of anyway)?

There is software to change in real time the pitch of voices. But rhythm and speech patterns are a harder problem. However, a lot of people can change voice and speech patterns just for fun (you should hear my Christopher Walken).
More, speech patterns are not exclusively subcultural anymore, there is a lot of mixing and cultural penetration from either side. Ten years ago, there was a probability, someone using words like "bro" and "dude" would belong maybe to a certain minority, but not anymore.

Does he know how to do things with mobile phones and landlines?

Well, he can use them and he has obviously the average TV induced "knowledge" of forensic counter measure when using phones. But beyond that, I see nothing that would indicate, he is some kind of phone hacker.
Does he know about caller ID spoofing?

Does he know how to remotely tamper with and reprogram phones?

Who wouldn't after some in depth internet searches? However, I see nothing indicating, he did so.

Does he know how to physically hack into landlines?

This is also an information easy to be found and since other parts make me think, he is crafty, he shouldn't have too many problems if he wants to do it. However, since he was at some point obviously near to his victims, physical stalking appears more likely to me.

Does he have phone cloning software?

It's not hard to get such software. But again, I don't see any indication, he used such a software or cloned phones. He had the original one in the Barthelmy case, why would he need a copy of it?

Can whatever he does with these phones reflect on phone bills?

If he would have used them extensively, there would be discrepancies. However, that was one of the first things LE checked after they realized they sat for years on some dead bodies. And they came up with zilch. Which isn't a miracle if the killer is more of a physical stalker. Anyway, I doubt, he would be too obsessed with cell phones at all. He used Melissa's and some burner phones when he had no other choice to reach out to his secondary targets, nut that's in fact all, he did with phones as it appears to me.

Has he tried to hack into LE computer systems? Has he succeeded?

Someone I know, told me once, it isn't a problem to hack police computers. The problem is to find a damn thing in their chaos. But hey, that was back in Europe. So, well, if he wants too and is computer savvy, LE's computers in general count as easy exercise targets.
However, I doubt, he tried. This kind of perpetrator overcompensates for what he feels as his inferiority. So all his actions are personal, up-front with the victims and persons near to him to establish a feeling of domination. If my profile is correct (I can't link it here, so google me and look in the collections), he belongs to a newer type of serial and spree offender, which has raised over the last twenty years mostly in the US and here mostly the East Coast and Midwestern States. Significant for all of them is personal interaction and they have no intention to inject themselves in the investigation or manipulate case files.

Does he have pirated software? If it's possible that he has pirated software, this could give LE a reason to look through the perp's computer, IMO. All it takes is one song to send him to federal prison, IMO.

Shouldn't be a problem as soon as someone finds him and his computer. But then, nobody would need the computer anymore because he would have stashed some souvenirs away.

*I will expand upon some of the ideas presented in this post in future posts. Ideas, comments, suggestions, questions and opinions regarding this post are welcome and appreciated!

Do that. I don't agree with some of your suspicions, but in cases like this, we will only know for sure, after they got him. Till then, it's essential to check out every alley and if we work two different alleys, that would make already two of them covered.

 

[Peter Brendt]

They also appear to be just before death or post mortem. I am no pro at determining this, but no scabbing at all. Also I noticed the width of the gashes. They are pretty thick. Compare it to the width of the tattoo. A razor blade or scalpel would have made some pretty thin cuts and would not be ideal for taking away a tattoo.
What would be the significance in removing the lettering and keeping the wing? If you notice there was an effort made NOT to disturb the wing. If he was wildly gashing around he would have made some sort of gash into a part of the wing. It seems real controlled. This means he may of had lots of time. If she was alive, and I'm sure the ME can determine if that was the case, this is a pretty sick SOB. If it post mortem, what significance is that?

Looks like post-mortem to me. At least, I see no sign, the muscles under the tissue would have contracted during the cutting, which would have the cuts less straight. The thickness of the wounds and their almost scared appearance is probably from bugs or something. The cuts are prssed open by the larvae and when the ME pushes them together to figure out what the tattoo was, he used maybe some catgut on it. Have seen similar things in other cases.
This wasn't a thin blade, rather a bigger edged knife, older model combat knife or something. Doesn't look jagged to me. So, either it was more experimental, playful and he lost the fun before he reached the wings, or the part that upset him was more Remy than the Angels. By the looks of it, I would say, a left-handed perpetrator, using the right had to stretch the skin to have an easier cut. The right wing is mutilated, but not the left. So, it's not effort to preserve, but rather the wing, he would have reached last ... only, he stopped before. The weird thing is, the cuts, the way, he did it, that was controlled, while the deed in itself shows some rage. I have rarely seen such a clear sign of cold controlled rage in an SK. Most go pretty rampant. So, what we are looking for could be no psychopath but a sociopath with a secondary diagnosis and a special disgust for Remy - whoever Remy is.

 

[Lera213]

Looks like post-mortem to me. At least, I see no sign, the muscles under the tissue would have contracted during the cutting, which would have the cuts less straight. The thickness of the wounds and their almost scared appearance is probably from bugs or something. The cuts are prssed open by the larvae and when the ME pushes them together to figure out what the tattoo was, he used maybe some catgut on it. Have seen similar things in other cases.
This wasn't a thin blade, rather a bigger edged knife, older model combat knife or something. Doesn't look jagged to me. So, either it was more experimental, playful and he lost the fun before he reached the wings, or the part that upset him was more Remy than the Angels. By the looks of it, I would say, a left-handed perpetrator, using the right had to stretch the skin to have an easier cut. The right wing is mutilated, but not the left. So, it's not effort to preserve, but rather the wing, he would have reached last ... only, he stopped before. The weird thing is, the cuts, the way, he did it, that was controlled, while the deed in itself shows some rage. I have rarely seen such a clear sign of cold controlled rage in an SK. Most go pretty rampant. So, what we are looking for could be no psychopath but a sociopath with a secondary diagnosis and a special disgust for Remy - whoever Remy is.

Read your site, and I found it fascinating.

After reading I still don't see how you came up with the unsub being African American. Couldn't it also be a Hispanic? I totally agree with investigator's should look closer to the outer circle friends of Melissa Barthelmy. That is a very good lead they should follow. Also all of them had to have went to the same place in NYC weather it be a bank, coffee shop, clothing store, or a pizza shop.

I didn't read all the threads here on the topic but if you don't mind me asking. Did Melissa's sister ever report if the caller had a accent?

Like me, people can hear southern, and NY accent in me.

There was someone a year ago and I have no idea what thread it was on, posted a pretty neat program online, and it is a database, you could search MO's, types of people all kinds of different things. I wish I knew it, perhaps we could see a pattern of other kills in another state or states.

Maybe a fellow Sleuth'er will read this and remember it. Come to think of it, maybe it was in the Zarha Baker thread. Way to many. It was a link.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Read your site, and I found it fascinating.

After reading I still don't see how you came up with the unsub being African American. Couldn't it also be a Hispanic? I totally agree with investigator's should look closer to the outer circle friends of Melissa Barthelmy. That is a very good lead they should follow. Also all of them had to have went to the same place in NYC weather it be a bank, coffee shop, clothing store, or a pizza shop.

I didn't read all the threads here on the topic but if you don't mind me asking. Did Melissa's sister ever report if the caller had a accent?

Like me, people can hear southern, and NY accent in me.

There was someone a year ago and I have no idea what thread it was on, posted a pretty neat program online, and it is a database, you could search MO's, types of people all kinds of different things. I wish I knew it, perhaps we could see a pattern of other kills in another state or states.

Maybe a fellow Sleuth'er will read this and remember it. Come to think of it, maybe it was in the Zarha Baker thread. Way to many. It was a link.

Look at the pictures of those four women, what do they have in common in their appearance? Not much at all. When you compare this to other cases, isn't that weird? Normally, in cases of women-killers, we have two kinds of appearance patterns:

a.) The victims follow mostly a clearly optical pattern, have all the same ethnicity, are bout the same height and weight class. This is the pattern of a number of SKs types, for example surrogate killers (which are in fact relatively rare), sexual predators of all kinds (from the anger assault rapist to the power assurance rapist and on to the usual psychopath/sadist101). In those cases usually, the perpetrator has the same ethnicity as his victims and kills women, he finds sexually attractive. A good example here is Bundy with the pattern of a certain face shape, all long hair, often (not always) parted in the middle.

b.) A victimology all over the place when it comes to appearance. Some guys love their change. Typically, you find already in the first few kills African-American, Caucasian, Asian victims. Albright for example killed one Caucasian, two African-Americans and is suspected in the case of a Hispanic.

Now we can see, none of those two "regular" patterns fits here. So we know, this killer has one of the rarer patterns. One of them is for example the narcissistic pattern. That appears in cases of killers, who feel attracted to victims, who look in certain not so obvious details just like he does. Alcala picked for example women with similar facial symmetry patterns as his own face.
Another one is the fetish pattern. For example Volker Eckert killed women, who had only two things in common: they were prostitutes (easy access) and had long hair. Because he had a hair fetishism.
There is a rare pattern, even it has a raising frequency in the US, that appeared more often in the serial-rapist area: Women of one ethnicity, which have nothing else in their appearance in common. Sometimes, in the spree-killer variant of that type, it's not even limited to female victims. A rare variant kills maybe also boys only. Sanders, a white supremacist in Atlanta, killed probably half a dozen black boys (which then were accounted on Wayne Williams, who killed black boys for entirely different reasons). Omar Thornton was a beer driver, who, after caught stealing and being fired, started a shooting spree killing white employees at the beer distribution where he had worked. Bernard Jackson raped white women in Waldo (which gave him the nickname Waldo-Rapist), basically dominating them over and over again to overcompensate his subcultural racist inferiority feelings.
The point is, racists come in all colors. But if all victims are Caucasian, this one under those considerations is not a Caucasian. He is also not a Hispanic because the Hispanic variant of this pattern kills white and black alike. So, in my opinion, we are looking for an African-American male, probably raised in one of the inner cities many years ago.

 

[Lera213]

I see. The faces and the pictures just wish we had a very recent picture of them. Perhaps they all died their hair, body piercings stuff like that would that appeal to a SK and if so, what would that tell you?

You're research is extensive I might add.

Also there were several victims who had tattoo's. I know that the Atlantic City Victims you don't see a connection and I'm leaning that way too. I just want to play devils advocate to ask. Could the SK have killed with one MO like at AC then change. Perhaps he got lazy, or maybe didn't get the satisfactions anymore then changed?


I'm picking your brain, sorry. lol

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Thank you, Theforeigner!

My first thought upon seeing this is religious connotations. The killer defaced the part of her tat which implicated she was 'owned' by Remy. I find it interesting that he left the angel wing intact. MOO

 

[Lera213]

I think it was animals that did that to the tat. It could be a few animals. Heck one area looks like a talon could have done it. Possible that part of the arm was the most exposed part. A bird trying to take flight with it, another animal clawing at it. could be too

I am wondering if perhaps the The Zebra murders were not read by the unsub or even if this type of group started up again.

I don't mean to target one group at all, just coming up with different plausible scenarios of profile of the unsub could be.

 

[Redbird]

I was unsure one way or the other if Atlantic City and Long Island were connected until TS discovered CPH's father's semiautobiographical book. Finding out his father used to take him there, where he was exposed to his father's carousing with " who cannot be rehabilitated" blew me away. If CPH is the SK, I'm thinking he did not have the time or privacy in Atlantic City that he had with the escorts he preyed on later. Some of the Atlantic City women were homeless and lived on the street from one fix to the next. Without a place to stay or take their customer, they may have been forced to get in his car. He may have taken them out to an isolated spot, killed them and then dumped them behind the seedy motel where they were found. He probably did not have Craig's list and they probably did not advertise their services. Truth Spider's brilliant find in CPH's father book makes me wonder if CPH was returning to his father's old haunting grounds, living out fantasies he had been hanging onto since childhood. As far as I can find out, CPH has not practiced medicine full time since 2006. The women were killed in November 2006 and his Emergency Medical license expired in December 2006. I think after that date he began to plan with care his future pursuit of escorts. Maybe while he was working he had a set up to mutilate and dismember his victims that ended when his emegency medical certification ended.

Just rambling. Trying to connect the dots.

 

[Lera213]

I was unsure one way or the other if Atlantic City and Long Island were connected until TS discovered CPH's father's semiautobiographical book. Finding out his father used to take him there, where he was exposed to his father's carousing with " who cannot be rehabilitated" blew me away. If CPH is the SK, I'm thinking he did not have the time or privacy in Atlantic City that he had with the escorts he preyed on later. Some of the Atlantic City women were homeless and lived on the street from one fix to the next. Without a place to stay or take their customer, they may have been forced to get in his car. He may have taken them out to an isolated spot, killed them and then dumped them behind the seedy motel where they were found. He probably did not have Craig's list and they probably did not advertise their services. Truth Spider's brilliant find in CPH's father book makes me wonder if CPH was returning to his father's old haunting grounds, living out fantasies he had been hanging onto since childhood. As far as I can find out, CPH has not practiced medicine full time since 2006. The women were killed in November 2006 and his Emergency Medical license expired in December 2006. I think after that date he began to plan with care his future pursuit of escorts. Maybe while he was working he had a set up to mutilate and dismember his victims that ended when his emegency medical certification ended.

Just rambling. Trying to connect the dots.

I don't know who CPH is but could a son be doing this on an anniversary type thing maybe?

 

[scandi]

I was unsure one way or the other if Atlantic City and Long Island were connected until TS discovered CPH's father's semiautobiographical book. Finding out his father used to take him there, where he was exposed to his father's carousing with " who cannot be rehabilitated" blew me away. If CPH is the SK, I'm thinking he did not have the time or privacy in Atlantic City that he had with the escorts he preyed on later. Some of the Atlantic City women were homeless and lived on the street from one fix to the next. Without a place to stay or take their customer, they may have been forced to get in his car. He may have taken them out to an isolated spot, killed them and then dumped them behind the seedy motel where they were found. He probably did not have Craig's list and they probably did not advertise their services. Truth Spider's brilliant find in CPH's father book makes me wonder if CPH was returning to his father's old haunting grounds, living out fantasies he had been hanging onto since childhood. As far as I can find out, CPH has not practiced medicine full time since 2006. The women were killed in November 2006 and his Emergency Medical license expired in December 2006. I think after that date he began to plan with care his future pursuit of escorts. Maybe while he was working he had a set up to mutilate and dismember his victims that ended when his emegency medical certification ended.

Just rambling. Trying to connect the dots.

. . . . and doing a great job of it. You just blew my mind Redbird, putting that together. It sounds so plausible. And of course kudos to all the other posters who have pulled points out of the proverbial hat. That all contributes.

 

[Dwntwnslim]

@ Peter Brendt-

Thank you so much for reading and considering my post and answering my questions! The critique and insight you offered has been a tremendous help!

I was wondering if I might benefit from your knowledge once again? I have some questions I'd like to run past you.

You mentioned in your response to my post in the portion that asks about substance abuse, that Ted Bundy drank a lot of alcohol to “bring out his entity”. How common is it for a serial killer to have an alter ego like the one you mentioned? Is that sort of thing confined to a particular type of serial killer? Or, is it seen in more than one type? Do these alter egos have names? If so, do they have ordinary names like Joe, John or Mike? Do they ever have imaginary conversations with the alter egos and/or correspond with them in some way that isn't psychotically induced?

My other questions are about trophies. Do you think the perp in question takes trophies? If so, what might they be? Where do you think he keeps them?

I hope I haven't asked too many questions. Thanks again for responding to my post!

 

[etkay]

Thank you, Theforeigner!

My first thought upon seeing this is religious connotations. The killer defaced the part of her tat which implicated she was 'owned' by Remy. I find it interesting that he left the angel wing intact. MOO

Hi all - I'm normally just a lurker but I have to comment on this - the religious angle has been nagging at me for a while. In poking around for information about burlap, I found reference to it's use in religious context as a material for 'hair shirts' in some kind of ritual referred to as "mortification of the flesh" (the same entry also refers to some people wearing burlap on Ash Wednesday - don't see any significance there). See [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_%28cloth%29[/ame]
The wikipedia entry on the mortification ritual ([ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortification_of_the_flesh"]Mortification of the flesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]) is under dispute so the information should be taken in context, but the gist of it is the idea that the earthly body is subject to 'mortification' (death) in order to save the soul from it's earthly 'sins' - the article even references original sin. Apparently burlap was a part of all this.
The idea seems so preposterous, but I suppose if someone got it in his head that he was saving prostitutes by subjecting them to this ritual, the cut up tattoo, the burlap, the victim type, the location (babylon) could all fit...

 

[Peter Brendt]

I see. The faces and the pictures just wish we had a very recent picture of them. Perhaps they all died their hair, body piercings stuff like that would that appeal to a SK and if so, what would that tell you?

You're research is extensive I might add.

Also there were several victims who had tattoo's. I know that the Atlantic City Victims you don't see a connection and I'm leaning that way too. I just want to play devils advocate to ask. Could the SK have killed with one MO like at AC then change. Perhaps he got lazy, or maybe didn't get the satisfactions anymore then changed?


I'm picking your brain, sorry. lol

No problem, my brain is used to be picked lol. But seriously:

Not all SKs are the same. and if you cast your net wider, other kinds of offenders, especially to the serial rapists, you find a pretty wide variety of behavioral patterns. So basically an MO isn't written in stone, a signature is. That sounds a bit complex, but is in fact very simple. Hunting methods and kill methods can change, but that certain extra, the thing, the perpetrator wants or needs (I'm not a fan of declaring they need or can't help themselves on a general base), that is what never changes. However, this little part is for an observer often hidden behind the grizzly details. It's always there, but sometimes everyone is just staring at the grizzly picture not noticing details anymore.
So basically, AC and LISK are not that different in MO. Both hunted for prostitutes and both are by the little, LE told us, stranglers. Now that's a pretty common combination. In fact, strangling/asphyxiation is pretty much the most common way to kill followed by blunt force trauma under SKs (worldwide). And it is imaginable, that a killer starting with street corner prostitutes may change to Craigslist escorts, if that hunting ground fits his needs better or as he evolves in his "career".
But looking at the details, in AC, the bodies were staged in a way, that makes quick recovery possible while it made revisiting a hell to do. On the other side, the GB4 were not staged, but placed at a stripe of road, allowing easy drive-by revisiting. I don't say, any of them can't change, but they have limited options to change. AC would have possibilities to go bolder. Every kind of intentional staging contains a statement and he could have gone bolder in making that statement by dropping a body with the same layout right in a public place o something. But he couldn't go back voluntary to hide his bodies better and stop staging at all. Simply because the staging is, what defined him and his work.
LISK2 on the other side can kill somewhere else (and probably do so), wrap his victims in some other material, but I don't think, he would drop the bodies in a place, he can't revisit. So yes, things can change, but not entirely unlimited.

Now back to the LISK2 case. I asked last year on the other thread the female members, to play around with those pictures. Could dying hair, maybe extensive make up make them similar enough to represent basically a type? Of course, I got mobbed and nobody even tried and personally, I'm not good enough with makeup to perform that experiment. Thankfully, my wife, between the end of book hectic that broke out the last few months here, helped me out here. The result is, we can of course, give them all the same chemical induced hair color, we can use eye liner and shadow as we want, but they still were different. The face shapes and sizes are too different. And that's the interesting point. Basically, what men find attractive in women is often face symmetry or hair color/eye color and only then comes the often quoted look for and butt. And in this case, the symmetry patterns are all over the place. That tells me, this killer isn't following the usual optical attraction patterns. In all cases, that happens, this is a red flag. Because in those cases, regularly, sex in itself is only a secondary motive. Can be, we have a fetishist, can be we have a racist there, can be, we have any kind of mission driven offender at hand. So there we are and start an elimination process.
Fetish? The common fetishes under SKs and rapists are hair and feet. No way, someone sees feet in a Craigslist ad. That leaves us with hair. Do all victims have long, well cared hair? Well, some have, some don't. That excludes a hair fetishist.
Mission driven? No extensive ritual evidence, no candles at the dump sites, no ritualistic staging? We can't exclude blood sacrifices though, but we can be pretty sure, the time frame is in this case extreme long and this makes a classical mission driven offender unlikely.
A racist would kill victims, who have nothing in common but their ethnicity (with the notable exception of Hispanics, who tend to dislike whites AND blacks). He wouldn't go for high-risk victims because basically all kinds of racists are in their inner core cowards. With a high probability, racists would also be rapists because forced sex is an ultimate act of domination.

So all points in my opinion rather to a black racist in this case than the usual psychopath/sadist101 standard profile, everybody in LE blurs out five minute after finding a body.
Put that together with the time frame (one per year, none in 2008, all victims last seen in summer, very early fall) and you can assume, this killer isn't in the area most of the year and has other killing grounds in other parts of the county. Maybe, LI isn't even his main dumping ground and somewhere else, he has a dozen hidden or more.
Put that also together with those phone calls. He did so only in the Barthelmy case. So either, he had a special relation to Barthelmy (which then holds the key to get him) or his signature is still unstable in some aspects and he experimented to evolve. Technically, that is what you mentioned above, he would be looking for ways to get more out of it.
And look at what LE referred to as extensive knowledge in forensic counter measure. He basically did nothing, anybody couldn't learn from the usual TV shows - but he did that. That shows us, he isn't stupid, he is able to adapt strategies he has seen somewhere else in his own doing. Maybe he is not a genius, but he is at least of average intelligence.
He is also to some degree organized. Transporting bodies to a kind of private trophy yard, wrapping the bodies, this all demands some planing.
He is physical. To grab lift bodies out of a vehicle and carry them to the bushes demands at least some strength.
In daily life, he isn't a loner, even he is most likely divorced or not in a permanent relation. Not because he can't, but due to his traveling lifestyle. IMO.
He is (also in my opinion), probably right-handed. On all photos, he laid down the body to the right of the bigger bushes (means, he turned a little clock-wise). Most left-handers would have turned counter-clock-wise.
And he is no local of one of the communities around. The time frame indicates, he isn't anywhere really a local but travels around in a kind of rough schedule.
So this is, what I see. Others may disagree, that's in the nature of things.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Hi all - I'm normally just a lurker but I have to comment on this - the religious angle has been nagging at me for a while. In poking around for information about burlap, I found reference to it's use in religious context as a material for 'hair shirts' in some kind of ritual referred to as "mortification of the flesh" (the same entry also refers to some people wearing burlap on Ash Wednesday - don't see any significance there). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_(cloth)
The wikipedia entry on the mortification ritual (Mortification of the flesh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) is under dispute so the information should be taken in context, but the gist of it is the idea that the earthly body is subject to 'mortification' (death) in order to save the soul from it's earthly 'sins' - the article even references original sin. Apparently burlap was a part of all this.
The idea seems so preposterous, but I suppose if someone got it in his head that he was saving prostitutes by subjecting them to this ritual, the cut up tattoo, the burlap, the victim type, the location (babylon) could all fit...

In my opnion, Manorville and LISK2 are two different persons. The burlap was only used in the GB4 cases and that is LISK2.
Normally, in cases of religious delusions (and I don't say, it's impossible per se), one would expect instead of discretely dropping wrapped bodies an extensive ritual, probably altar or shrine building and signs of self-justification with staging (as in laying out the victim in a pose to document, how "rescued" she now looks). So I'm not really ready yet, to go over that bridge, but then, that's only my opinion.

 

[Lera213]

I don't know what to think anymore. After readying the thread "The Last Happy Hour" thread the dr. could fit a SK. I mean his background fits, his job fits, many parts fit. I have no idea now.