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[MADJGNLAW]

Has anyone seen or heard anything in any media about a boat running late that night of Feb 9th 2010 and what area? I have searched and searched and came up with nothing. I want to say I thought I seen it on the news the first week Haleigh went missing. I want to say it was a black news woman who was reporting it... She said that someone that lived on the waterway heard a boat running late in the night.... TIA :blowkiss:

 

[Flow]

Any clues as to how Terry Shoemaker, RC's attorney, is being compensated? TN and/or AS? Future book deal? HaLeigh reward money? I can't imagine that TS is doing this pro bono, and I don't think that he's court-appointed counsel. Your thoughts?

Maybe he got a hefty retainer up front [back in August] when Ron did have money and was later named to be Ron's court-appointed attorney. Similar to what happened with Misty's attorney [although I don't recall hearing he was ever paid by anybody but the state.]

 

[SoSueMe]

Any clues as to how Terry Shoemaker, RC's attorney, is being compensated? TN and/or AS? Future book deal? HaLeigh reward money? I can't imagine that TS is doing this pro bono, and I don't think that he's court-appointed counsel. Your thoughts?

I would imagine property deeds and/or liens against property.

 

[SoSueMe]

Any clues as to how Terry Shoemaker, RC's attorney, is being compensated? TN and/or AS? Future book deal? HaLeigh reward money? I can't imagine that TS is doing this pro bono, and I don't think that he's court-appointed counsel. Your thoughts?

At this juncture, my guess would be rights to a book deal. It would bring in enough money (advance) to pay a firm like Shoemaker's for the type of representation RC is receiving.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

I am just curious as to why this case against Ronald has been sitting since 9/2009? It does not show that it was dropped only that it is pending, so why have they not moved forward?

"Snip" http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

UCN: 542009CF001430XXAXMX
File Date: 08/06/2009
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: PENDING CASE
Defense Atty: SHOEMAKER, TERRY J
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION

Defendant: CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES
Alias: No Alias Records

Date # Docket Description
08/06/2009 1 ARREST REPORT - PCSO D/S QUINTIER (ARREST 8/5/09)

08/06/2009 1 BOOKING NUMBER: 09-3225

08/06/2009 1 BURGLARY OF CONVEYANCE WITH BATTERY

08/06/2009 2 DEFENDANT PRESENT FOR FIRST APPEARANCE HRG 8/6/09

08/06/2009 2 ADJ INS P D APPOINTED FOR FIRST APPEARANCE ONLY

08/06/2009 2 SUFFICIENT PROBABLE CAUSE FOUND

08/06/2009 2 $12,5004.00 SECURED BOND SET

08/06/2009 3 AFFIDAVIT OF INSOLVENCY

08/06/2009 4 ORDER APPOINTING PUBLIC DEFENDER FOR 1ST APP HEARING

08/07/2009 5 $12504.00 A-1-24 HOUR CITY BEST BAIL BONDS #2148146

08/07/2009 5 AMERICAN BANKERS INSURANCE CO

08/19/2009 6 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE BY: TERRY J SHOEMAKER

08/19/2009 7 NOTICE OF DISCOVERY

 

[MADJGNLAW]

What is a PSI? Also, if you notice it says ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30YRS DOC &/OR $15000 FINE. Does this mean that there is a possibility that Tommy may only get find-ed $15000 and do no jail time since it says &/OR?
Also, it states Plea accepted. But it also states that on 06/03/2010 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN
06/03/2010 35 HYDROCODONE (4G-14G).
Does that just mean that his plea of Nolo was accepted, not that the DA gave him a plea deal right? I am so confused! :loser:
TIA :blowkisses:

"Snip" http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/crim_dkts/frame.php

UCN: 542010CF000147XXAXMX
File Date: 01/21/2010
Judge: TERRY J LARUE
Case Status: SENTENCING
Defense Atty: WERTER, JAMES S
Case File Location: CRIMINAL DIVISION

Defendant: CROSLIN, HANK T JR
Alias: No Alias Records

Date # Docket Description
01/21/2010 1 COMPLAINT - PCSO DET. T CAMPBELL (12/22/09)

01/21/2010 1 BOOKING NUMBER: N/A

01/21/2010 1 TRAFFICKING OXYCODONE



06/03/2010 35 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN 06/03/2010 35 HYDROCODONE (4G-14G)

06/03/2010 35 ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30YRS DOC &/OR $15000 FINE

06/03/2010 35 PLEA ACCEPTED, PSI ORDERED, SENTENCING SET 07/06/2010

06/03/2010 36 REQUEST FOR PSI

06/08/2010 37 NOTICE TO ATTORNEY (07-06-2010)

06/08/2010 38 NOTICE TO DEFENDANT (07-06-2010) IN JAIL

06/14/2010 39 NOTICE RETURNED UNEXECUTED (NOT IN OUR JAIL)

06/15/2010 40 SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY / WITNESS LIST

 

[Kathy1964]

What is a PSI? Also, if you notice it says ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30YRS DOC &/OR $15000 FINE. Does this mean that there is a possibility that Tommy may only get find-ed $15000 and do no jail time since it says &/OR?
Also, it states Plea accepted. But it also states that on 06/03/2010 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN
06/03/2010 35 HYDROCODONE (4G-14G).
Does that just mean that his plea of Nolo was accepted, not that the DA gave him a plea deal right? I am so confused!

Pre-Sentence Investigation: Also called PSI. A background investigation conducted by a probation officer on a person who has been convicted of a criminal offense

 

[lonetraveler]

Has anyone seen or heard anything in any media about a boat running late that night of Feb 9th 2010 and what area? I have searched and searched and came up with nothing. I want to say I thought I seen it on the news the first week Haleigh went missing. I want to say it was a black news woman who was reporting it... She said that someone that lived on the waterway heard a boat running late in the night.... TIA :blowkiss:

Not that it is going to help you any but I do remember that someone did report that they heard a boat out on the water during the night of Feb. 9th.

 

[Gwen]

Why was Tommy moved to Putnam Co. Jail today? Did he make bail? Maybe Grand Jury testimony? I can hope!

 

[Peliman]

Here's my guess as to why. Searching current inmate in the last 3 days I see this.

CROSLIN HANK THOMAS 8/02/1986 M W 10-00277 6/23/2010 7:09:07 PM

So he was moved tonight and booked into Putnam at 7:09PM.

Checking his booking and charges log, I see this. No bond set for the semi charge yet. Thus no court info for that charge is in the court records yet.

893.135-1c1 DRUGS-TRAFFIC 4 GRAMS LESS 30 KG OTHER CNTRL SUBST F F $100,000.00
810.02-2b BURGL DWELLING STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE ARMED F F $5,004.00
812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $2,504.00
812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $0.00

My guess is bond will be set on the Grand Larceny Semi charge in the morning.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758545&IMG=59423

 

[Dr. Know?]

Croslin back in Putnam custody-Sentencing on drug

Palatka Daily News

The brother of the woman called the key to solving the Haleigh Cummings disappearance is back in the Putnam County Jail.

Hank Tommy Croslin Jr. has been held in the St. Johns County Jail in St. Augustine since he and four others were arrested on drug charges earlier this year. He was brought back to Putnam County on Wednesday night.

He pleaded no contest three weeks ago to trafficking in hydrocodone.

St. Johns County was holding Croslin at the request of Putnam Sheriff Jeff Hardy so he would not be with others jailed in the case held in custody in Palatka.

Now that he has pleaded and is scheduled to be sentenced soon, its my decision that its appropriate to bring him back to this jail, Hardy said.


http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/06/24/news/news01.txt

 

[Flow]

Here's my guess as to why. Searching current inmate in the last 3 days I see this.

CROSLIN HANK THOMAS 8/02/1986 M W 10-00277 6/23/2010 7:09:07 PM

So he was moved tonight and booked into Putnam at 7:09PM.

Checking his booking and charges log, I see this. No bond set for the semi charge yet. Thus no court info for that charge is in the court records yet.

893.135-1c1 DRUGS-TRAFFIC 4 GRAMS LESS 30 KG OTHER CNTRL SUBST F F $100,000.00
810.02-2b BURGL DWELLING STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE ARMED F F $5,004.00
812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $2,504.00
812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $0.00

My guess is bond will be set on the Grand Larceny Semi charge in the morning.

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758545&IMG=59423

What did he steal in the 1st degree Grand Larceny case? Was it a Law Enforcement Officer's semi-automatic handgun?

JMO the other items didn't sound like they could add up to $100,000 or even $10,000, so I am taking a guess that what he stole is the "or LEO SEMI". The only LEO SEMI I can come up with is a cop's gun.

TIA for any additional information anyone can provide.

 

[1Chump]

What is a PSI? Also, if you notice it says ADVISED OF MAX PENALTY 30YRS DOC &/OR $15000 FINE. Does this mean that there is a possibility that Tommy may only get find-ed $15000 and do no jail time since it says &/OR?
Also, it states Plea accepted. But it also states that on 06/03/2010 W/D FORMER PLEA, PLEAD NOLO A/C TO TRAFFICKING IN
06/03/2010 35 HYDROCODONE (4G-14G).
Does that just mean that his plea of Nolo was accepted, not that the DA gave him a plea deal right? I am so confused! :loser:
TIA :blowkisses:

The PSI is a the Pre-Sentencing Investigation that is done by a probation officer. It is basically the Defendant's life story. It is used to determine sentencing such as should they go to prison, jail or rehab. It is used to determine prison security level, custody level in prison, cell assignments, possible work assignments, restitution issues, etc. Basically, they do not want to sentence a low level criminal to serve with a highly dangerous career criminal.

The PSI will also help to determine your next question...the $15,000 fine. Technically, a Judge could sentence them to a fine only. But the and/or when it is time or money usually means time is absolute but money is not. They do not usually fine people an amount that they will never be able to pay which would result in them going to jail for not paying. It costs more to jail them for not paying.

As far as the pleas, you have to read them in order by date...the first entry is first and the last entry is last for that date.

The first entry on 6/3 is to withdraw his previous plea which has to be done before he can enter a new plea. Then the Judge has to make sure Tommy knows the ramifications of pleading guilty or NOLO before accepting his new plea...next entry on 6/3 maximum 30 years/$15000 fine..last entry "NOLO plea accepted."

You are correct that the plea does not tell us if there was a plea deal.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I'm going to take a stab at Tommy's charge for the stolen gun. The statue he was arrested under was 812.014(2a1) reads like this

812.014(2)(a)
1st
Property stolen, valued at $100,000 or more; cargo stolen valued at $50,000, or more; property stolen while causing other property damage; 1st degree grand theft.

Looking up this statute, FDLE has this

Florida Criminal Punishment Code
Offense Severity Ranking Chart Section 921.0022, Florida Statutes

His charge following the Severity Ranking chart, makes it a Felony Degree of 1st degree, level 7.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/sg_annual/0001/appendices.html

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/filestores/web/statutes/fs07/CH0921/Section_0921.0022.HTM

So, rookie that I am, it means to me that they wanted it to be a 1st degree felony charge. The statutes are confusing especially this one. Also ran across someone who had petit theft charge with the same statute. So it's not a LEO vehicle, gun, etc...it's how strong they wanted the charge to be. Don't worry, you won't offend me if I am wrong but that's my take from reading the links above.

 

[1Chump]

What did he steal in the 1st degree Grand Larceny case? Was it a Law Enforcement Officer's semi-automatic handgun?

JMO the other items didn't sound like they could add up to $100,000 or even $10,000, so I am taking a guess that what he stole is the "or LEO SEMI". The only LEO SEMI I can come up with is a cop's gun.

TIA for any additional information anyone can provide.

The actual code does not make it any clearer:

810.02-2b BURGL DWELLING STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE ARMED F F $5,004.00

810.02-2b

Burglary is a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life imprisonment or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if, in the course of committing the offense, the offender is or becomes armed within the dwelling, structure, or conveyance, with explosives or a dangerous weapon; or


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0810/SEC02.HTM&Title=->2009->Ch0810->Section%2002#0810.02


812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $2,504.00
812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $0.00


812.014(2)(a)1 . Theft - If the property stolen is valued at $100,000 or more or is a semitrailer that was deployed by a law enforcement officer; or

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0812/SEC014.HTM&Title=->2009->Ch0812->Section%20014#0812.014

The only thing I can possibly come up with would be if the gun was a collector's item and/or they figure the monetary value of the stolen blank checks (that Mom forged) by balance in those accounts to determine the charges.

 

[Flow]

The actual code does not make it any clearer:

810.02-2b BURGL DWELLING STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE ARMED F F $5,004.00

810.02-2b

Burglary is a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life imprisonment or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, if, in the course of committing the offense, the offender is or becomes armed within the dwelling, structure, or conveyance, with explosives or a dangerous weapon; or


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0810/SEC02.HTM&Title=->2009->Ch0810->Section%2002#0810.02


812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $2,504.00
812.014-2a1 LARC GRAND 1ST DEGREE 100K DOLS MORE OR LEO SEMI F F $0.00


812.014(2)(a)1 . Theft - If the property stolen is valued at $100,000 or more or is a semitrailer that was deployed by a law enforcement officer; or

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0812/SEC014.HTM&Title=->2009->Ch0812->Section%20014#0812.014

The only thing I can possibly come up with would be if the gun was a collector's item and/or they figure the monetary value of the stolen blank checks (that Mom forged) by balance in those accounts to determine the charges.

Thank you for going to all that trouble. [lol still doesn't compute in my brain but I do thank you.]

For some reason I thought this was the arrest for stealing the cleaning supplies and golf cart battery and towels and the shotgun. [The one reported by Misty after the big drug sting.] But if it was that burglary then it still wouldn't match up to the statute.

So its a semi tractor trailer and not a semi automatic weapon. I can't think of why a LE would deploy a semi. That's an interesting [and very strange] law they have there. I wonder how the state came up with that one!

 

[Flow]

I'm going to take a stab at Tommy's charge for the stolen gun. The statue he was arrested under was 812.014(2a1) reads like this

812.014(2)(a)
1st
Property stolen, valued at $100,000 or more; cargo stolen valued at $50,000, or more; property stolen while causing other property damage; 1st degree grand theft.

Looking up this statute, FDLE has this

Florida Criminal Punishment Code
Offense Severity Ranking Chart Section 921.0022, Florida Statutes

His charge following the Severity Ranking chart, makes it a Felony Degree of 1st degree, level 7.

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/pub/sg_annual/0001/appendices.html

http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/filestores/web/statutes/fs07/CH0921/Section_0921.0022.HTM

So, rookie that I am, it means to me that they wanted it to be a 1st degree felony charge. The statutes are confusing especially this one. Also ran across someone who had petit theft charge with the same statute. So it's not a LEO vehicle, gun, etc...it's how strong they wanted the charge to be. Don't worry, you won't offend me if I am wrong but that's my take from reading the links above.

That does make more sense. I think.

Does that mean that

While was he was causing damage to someone else's property [breaking the door or window] he incidentally stole the other items?

You are correct that it appears they had plenty of leeway in deciding how to charge this. IMO. That kind of STINKS.

IMO.

 

[1Chump]

Thank you for going to all that trouble. [lol still doesn't compute in my brain but I do thank you.]

For some reason I thought this was the arrest for stealing the cleaning supplies and golf cart battery and towels and the shotgun. [The one reported by Misty after the big drug sting.] But if it was that burglary then it still wouldn't match up to the statute.

So its a semi tractor trailer and not a semi automatic weapon. I can't think of why a LE would deploy a semi. That's an interesting [and very strange] law they have there. I wonder how the state came up with that one!

I think by LEO semitrailer it refers to a mobile crime lab or mobile processing trailer.

As far as the charges, they usually over-charge to negotiate a plea. By over-charging, they can plea down to what they should be charged with. It is a win-win. They get the defendant to plea to the crime they committed and get the sentence they deserve.

 

[4Jacy]

!. Why did Lindsay throw out Tommy and Timmy's boots?

2. Why did Cousin Joe dispose of his clothes on the way home to Tenn.?

3. Why hasen't Lindsay been arrested for receiving stolen goods, after she lead the police directly to these items?

4. I'm not sure what the law is down there, however, is it EVER LEGAL, to allow, let's see now, five (5) drug users to live in YOUR home AROUND YOUR CHILDREN? Let's count them: Hank, Jr. (her husband), Hank, Sr. (her f/i/l, Lisa, her m/i/l, Misty, her s/i/l, and, of course, Nay Nay, (a friend of Mistys.)

You may, of course, throw all the tomatos you want. However, this woman is not a little innocent!

 

[krkrjx]

Did JO dispose of his clothes on the way home to Tenn? Is there a link to where this info can be found?