Question re Ransom Note

[Toltec]

The door from the wine cellar was removed and taken into evidence as was the basement window. Does anyone know exactly what was lifted besides the palm print from the door?

Why did the BPD request that JonBenet's hands be traced in Georgia? Was another palm or handprint found anywhere else in the home besides her bedroom?

 

[LovelyPigeon]

I don't think we've ever been told where or if JonBenét's fingerprints or palmprints were found in the house.

According to PMPT, there were at least 3 palmprints on the wine cellar door. Two of those were Patsy's and one was unidentified. Fleet White said he opened that door on the morning of Dec 26 while in the basement alone, calling out JonBenét's name but didn't enter the room because it was dark. The door was found latched closed shortly thereafter by a BPD officer who didn't open it. One would assume FW's prints might be there, and they might have...but we don't know that information.

Attempts were made to identify the print by comparing at least family prints. Both Melinda and John Andrew gave their prints before the funeral, while they were in Boulder.

Thomas wrote that a cop might have made the print and been ashamed to admit to it. We don't know how many palmprints have been compared to it.

I think it's possible the killer left that print.

 

[Ivy]

Here's an excerpt from an August 22, 2002 Rocky Mountain News article. The link appears in my post #78:

BOULDER - Investigators have answered two vexing questions in the JonBenet Ramsey case that have long helped support the theory that an intruder killed her, according to sources close to the case.

The answers, which have been known to investigators for some time but never publicly revealed, could be seen to weaken the intruder theory.

The two clues are:

• A mysterious Hi-Tec boot print in the mold on the floor of the Ramseys' wine cellar near JonBenet's body has been linked by investigators to Burke, her brother, who was 9 at the time. It is believed to have been left there under circumstances unrelated to JonBenet's murder.

Burke, now 15, has repeatedly been cleared by authorities of any suspicion in the 1996 Christmas night slaying, and that has not changed.

• A palm print on the door leading to that same wine cellar, long unidentified, is that of Melinda Ramsey, JonBenet's adult half-sister. She was in Georgia at the time of the murder.

"They were certainly some things that had to be answered, one way or the other, and we feel satisfied that they are both answered," said a source close to the case, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

The famous "source close to the case" strikes again. As Lin Wood said, he'd never trust an anonymous BPD "source" to be factually correct.

Here's a quote from Lin Wood: "I do not believe that that palm print has been matched to Melinda. I have never conceded otherwise." - Lin Wood, Dec 27, 2003

 

[Ivy]

And Lin Wood strikes again. He never concedes to anything.

 

[Maikai]

Melinda's palmprint was found on the door........but there is still an unknown one.

 

[BlueCrab]

? A mysterious Hi-Tec boot print in the mold on the floor of the Ramseys' wine cellar near JonBenet's body has been linked by investigators to Burke, her brother, who was 9 at the time. It is believed to have been left there under circumstances unrelated to JonBenet's murder.

Burke, now 15, has repeatedly been cleared by authorities of any suspicion in the 1996 Christmas night slaying, and that has not changed.[/b]

Burke has NEVER been cleared. He was declared a witness and not a suspect by Lin Wood and Alex Hunter in Hunter's fraudulent affidavit of October 12, 2000, but so was everyone else in the case declared a witness and not a suspect. Please show me any credible document that states Burke Ramsey has been cleared. There isn't any, because BURKE HAS NOT BEEN CLEARED.

JMO

 

[Ivy]

Yes, I know, BC... Burke has never been cleared. My point in posting the excerpt was to show that the Hi Tec print belonged to him.

 

[Blazeboy3]

I have followed this case, but not as closely as some of you sleuthers. What I am wondering is has it ever been discussed as to why the kidnappers would leave a ransom note and then kill JB and leave her in the basement???

I thought I had read that the ransom note was written on stationary from the Ramsey home. If this is correct. did the kidnappers write the note before they killed JB, planning on only kidnapping her and then something went wrong and they had to kill her (doesn't make too much sense) and then just left the note with the wrong information on it anyway???

of, did they write the note after they killed her which would make absolutely no sense at all - (like, maybe noone will look in the basement and we can get the ransom money before they find her)???!!!

The whole thing seems staged to me - why would kidnappers write that type of note only to leave the body dead in the house???

Fill me in here, guys. Thanks!

Yup, yup, yup...it's a COMMON SENSE THING...IMHO only Patsy KNOWS FOR SURE (and the one she confided in JOHN) IMHO FWIW. FYIr. Andrew Hodges is the ONLY ONE that wrote TWO BOOKS regarding JonBenet's death by her parents ... AND HE HAS NOT BEEN SUED """MAJOR CLUE""" here don't you "THINK?"? (A Mother Gone Bad & Who Will Speak for JonBenet BOOKS)

 

[Shylock]

Please show me any credible document that states Burke Ramsey has been cleared. There isn't any, because BURKE HAS NOT BEEN CLEARED.

What difference does it make? Even if Burke WAS previously cleared, it's a new investigation now, supposedly from scratch. That means that Burke is a suspect all over again, just like everyone else.

Not that I give Keenan any more credit than the last group of stooges that investigated this crime...

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Burke has been cleared, and it's been stated so by Hunter, Kane, and Thomas, to name just a few.

Burke never has been and is not now a suspect except in the minds of some posters.

 

[BlueCrab]

Burke has been cleared, and it's been stated so by Hunter, Kane, and Thomas, to name just a few.

Burke never has been and is not now a suspect except in the minds of some posters.

LP, please read my lips:

BURKE HAS NEVER BEEN CLEARED! Read it slower this time, BURKE HAS NEVER BEEN CLEARED!

Show me where the word CLEARED has ever been used by anyone of authority in Boulder. Hunter, Keenan, Beckner, and others continually say Burke was never considered a SUSPECT. But NO ONE in the Ramsey case has ever been considered a suspect, not even John or Patsy. It's a trick and you know it.

Calling Burke a witness and not a suspect is a deceitful play on words -- a fraudulent effort to hide the truth. Only in the JonBenet murder case, out of the thousands of murder cases in the world, are "suspects" called "witnesses". Why are Boulder authorities trying to trick the public by openly committing fraud?

My question is rhetorical because the answer is known by many. They are shielding Burke because Colorado law prevents them from disclosing Burke's name as involved in the killing of JonBenet.

JMO

 

[SisterSocks]

I think the owner of that male DNA in her panties is the killer.

Who is that? We don't yet know but I have hope that a "match" will eventually be made. It's happening almost everyday now on other cases, old and new, with DNA comparisons.

I enjoy watching Cold Case Files on A&E. I hope to one day see JB'S Killer caught. I also think The male DNA is JB 's Killer.

Socks :woohoo:

 

[BlueCrab]

I enjoy watching Cold Case Files on A&E. I hope to one day see JB'S Killer caught. I also think The male DNA is JB 's Killer.

Socks :woohoo:

You don't have far to look. The killer is either a Ramsey or someone very well known by a Ramsey.

JMO

 

[Shylock]

Burke has been cleared, and it's been stated so by Hunter, Kane, and Thomas, to name just a few.
Burke never has been and is not now a suspect except in the minds of some posters.

Old news LovelyPigeon, it's a new investigation and Burke is one of the THREE top suspects!

Burke had the ABILITY and OPPORTUNITY to cause harm to JonBenet. He will always be one of the top suspects.

In order to not believe Burke is a suspect a person has to be a "Ramsey Hypocrite"--on one hand you scream about how incompetent the BPD is, but on the other hand you claim the BPD was competent enough to clear Burke. Logic doesn't work that way...

 

[Barbara]

Old news LovelyPigeon, it's a new investigation and Burke is one of the THREE top suspects!

Burke had the ABILITY and OPPORTUNITY to cause harm to JonBenet. He will always be one of the top suspects.

In order to not believe Burke is a suspect a person has to be a "Ramsey Hypocrite"--on one hand you scream about how incompetent the BPD is, but on the other hand you claim the BPD was competent enough to clear Burke. Logic doesn't work that way...

Good Point Shylock! The BPD is conveniently competent when the wind is blowing in the right direction.

Almost like complaining that the BPD wouldn't let the FBI take over and get involved, and then refusing the FBI polygraph because they were corrupt.

Or...complaining about the tabloids and then giving them an exclusive and HOME MADE COOKIES BAKED BY PATSY HERSELF. Remember the lecture to the journalism students where the Rams explained how terrible the tabs were RIGHT BEFORE THE INTERVIEW WITH THE COOKIES????

And then there's the bad, bad Steve Thomas, who is then quoted frequently when they need the non Ramsey male DNA quote from his book. Well, there's some news there too. DNA has come a long way, and if it is related to the crime at all, we really don't know at all if it's male, female, Ramsey or not.

The Spin Team just can't make up their minds

 

[Ivy]

Would any of our loyal Ramsey embeds like to give the rest of us an insider's report on what is happening in the investigation now? Or did the investigation peter out once Sum Yung Gai's DNA was entered into the database?
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IMO

 

[Jayelles]

Jayelle, are you aware that in the Atlanta interviews Kane represented the fibers as identical? You and I know fiber comparison does not result in identical match. Kane apparently does not, or he was misrepresenting. I think it was the latter.

You refer , I believe, to Brennan's article in maintaining that Lin Wood does not refute the palmprint identification. I think LW has refuted the identification as being Melinda's since that article was published. And, as I pointed out, LW said in that same article he would put no stock in any anonymous source from the BPD, which refuted the palmprint identification without specifically naming saying so to Brennan.

What difference does it make whether Kane used the term "identical" instead of "consistent with"? in a police interview? The FACT is that he was implying that they had fibres that they believed came from John's shirt. You can take semantics to ridiculous lengths you know.

As far as the palmprint is concerned, has Lin Wood seen the lab reports? Does he know for a FACT that the palmprint does not belong to Melinda? Would he be willing to state this under oath? I'm afraid that "I do not concede" is really meaningless coming from Lin Wood in this.

As regards anonymous sources - only last night when I was searching through my archives for the source for one of the forensic audio tests did I come across a thread on vanDam where ******* quoted an anonymous source as informing her that Damon was really the police's #1 suspect and that they had found out he had been molesting Danielle. She didn't know this source from Adam and had only spoken to her on a 'safe phone' but she thought she "seemed" sincere. It was interesting that no tabloid reproduced this story from said anonymous source - only *******. I wonder why the tabloids didn't take it up? Perhaps they check out some of these sources?

Other anonymous sources in the Ramsey case have been the person "close to the Ramseys" who told the Enquirer about Patsy "getting her ducks in a row" over John's friendship with a blonde whilst she was having her cancer treatments at Bethedsa. I wonder who that was and if there was any truth in the story?

 

[Ivy]

Can Toth be considered an anonymous source? :waitasec: Apparently nothing he posts is just his opinion.

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IMO

 

[K777angel]

I would not know about rumors. She had a number of film reviews published but I think your use of the term 'job' suggests it was full time and well paid. I don't think either are true. Perhaps the correct journalistic term would be 'stringer' or 'fillers'.

The point that I was trying to make is that she seems in her play from years before and in her reviews to be ever focusing on what might be termed "the dark side" and that therefore her statements about "pensive" and "I don't feel pretty" should be viewed with a very high degree of suspicion particularly when no one else who was there agrees with such comments or has any similar view of JonBenet that night.

Toth - Just WHO told you that it was Janet McReynolds that was the one who claimed to overhear JonBenet say, "I don't feel pretty" the night of the Christmas party on the 23rd??? That has never been published as to just WHO it was that claimed to hear that.
What is your source?
And while your at it - what is your source too that "no one" else at the party agreed with Janet McReynolds' description of JonBenet that night??

Let's have it.