Questions that I have

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by MrsMush99
Hello Everyone,

I've never posted on the JBR forum. This will be my first. One of the reasons is because I know only the basics of this case. I really interested in learning more. I really don't have a strong opinion as to what happened because I don't think I have all the facts. I would love to be a part of this forum, but I feel I should get some of my facts straight.

One questions that I have is who is Susan Stine?

The other one that I have is has the man who was playing Santa Clause been looked at closely and eliminated?

Thank to all of you who respond. I hope to be a part of this forum.

HELLO to you! I'm sorry I'm a slow poster (I've priorities as in "kids/husband/house/work...etc). AGAIN, welcome and hopefully you time here will be well spent/peaceful/theraputic...in a positive way!

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by SisterSocks
Hi Cass , actually Patsy scored low on the handwriting lingustics

I don't think Pats actually Killed JB but , although she scored low I do think she could have written the RN=(


I am also FENCE SITTER .

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN: FENCE SITTER: SAFE ? (AS IN WHAT?)
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Q: HAVE YOU READ IT ALL (JONBENET INFO AVAIL)? Y/N

If not, why?

http://www.cnn.com/US/9701/06/slain.girl/9701.01.ep.html
Secondly, they will be offering a reward perhaps as much as $50,000 starting next week. It has been a very difficult week as you might expect for the Ramsey family, a very difficult interview as well, we talked to them for about 45 minutes.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CABELL (off-camera): Why did you decide you wanted to talk now?

JOHN B. RAMSEY, JONBENET'S FATHER: Well we have been pretty isolated -- totally isolated -- for the last five days, but we've sensed from our friends that this tragedy has touched not just ourselves and our friends but many people. And we know that there's many people that are praying for us, that are grieving with us. And we want to thank them, to let them know that we are healing, and that we know in our hearts that JonBenet is safe and with God and that the grieving that we all have to do is for ourselves and for our loss, but we want to thank those people that care about us.

PATRICIA RAMSEY, JONBENET'S MOTHER: We have just been overwhelmed by the cards and letters and visits and people we haven't seen for years have come to call and be supportive in their -- many of them are parents, and they know and can feel our grief.

RAMSEY, J: But the other -- the other reason is that -- for our grief to resolve itself we now have to find out why this happened.

CABELL: There has been some question as to why you hired a defense attorney.

RAMSEY, J: I know. Well, we were fortunate from almost the moment that we found the note to be surrounded by friends, our minister, our family doctor, a personal friend of mine who is also an attorney, and we relied on their guidance almost from that moment on and my friend suggested that it would be foolish not to have knowledgeable counsel to help both us and with the investigation.

RAMSEY, P: And if anyone knows anything, please, please help us. For the safety of all of the children, we have to find out who did this.

RAMSEY, J: Not because we're angry, but because we have got to go on.

RAMSEY, P: We can't -- we can't --

RAMSEY, J: This -- we cannot go on until we know why. There's no answer as to why our daughter died.

CABELL: Are you fully convinced that your daughter was kidnapped by some outsiders outside your family or circle of friends?

RAMSEY, J: Yes. I -- we don't -- you know, it's just so hard to know, but we are -- our family is a loving family. It's a gentle family. We have lost one child. We know how precious their lives are .

CABELL: Mrs. Ramsey -- you found the note. Was it a handwritten note, three pages?

RAMSEY, P: I didn't -- I couldn't read the whole thing I -- I just gotten up. We were on our -- it was the day after Christmas, and we were going to go visiting, and it was quite early in the morning, and I had got dressed and was on my way to the kitchen to make some coffee, and we have a back staircase from the bedroom areas, and I always come down that staircase, and I am usually the first one down. And the note was lying across the -- three pages -- across the run of one of the stair treads, and it was kind of dimly lit.

It was just very early in the morning, and I started to read it, and it was addressed to John. It said "Mr. Ramsey," And it said, "we have your daughter." And I -- you know, it just was -- it just wasn't registering, and I -- I may have gotten through another sentence. I can't -- "we have your daughter." and I don't know if I got any further than that. And I immediately ran back upstairs and pushed open her door, and she was not in her bed, and I screamed for John.

CABELL: John, you subsequently read the note. Was there anything in there that struck you in any sense?

RAMSEY, J: Well, no. I mean, I read it very fast. I was out of my mind. And it said "Don't call the police." You know, that type of thing. And I told Patsy, call the police immediately. And I think I ran through the house a bit.

RAMSEY, P: We went to check our son.

RAMSEY, J: Checked our son's room. Sometimes she sleeps in there. And we just were --

RAMSEY, P: We were just frantic.

CABELL: How did you happen later to look in the basement?

RAMSEY, J: Well, we'd waited until after the time that the call was supposed to have been made to us, and one of the detectives asked me and my friend who was there to go through every inch of the house to see if there was anything unusual or abnormal that looked out of place.

RAMSEY, P: Look for clues I guess.

RAMSEY, J: Look for clues, asking us to do that, give us something more to do to occupy our mind, and so we started in the basement, and -- and we were just looking, and we -- one room in the basement that -- when I opened the door -- there were no windows in that room, and I turned the light on, and I -- that was her.

RAMSEY, P: She was --

(END VIDEOTAPE)

CABELL (on camera): Mr. Ramsey did confirm that duct tape was found on his daughter's mouth. I asked him about a cord found around her neck, that was a report out of Colorado today, he said he didn't see, it could have been there but he was panicked at that point. He picked up the body, ran screaming upstairs, hoping she was still alive, of course she was not.

There was also a reference to another child that was lost. They lost his daughter -- his adult daughter -- about four years ago in an auto accident. This is the second child they have lost.

Coming up in just a few minutes, we address the question -- I address the question -- to them of their being suspects themselves. That's natural in a case like this and we'll ask them about that coming up.


http://www.cnn.com/US/9701/01/child.slain/index.html
A funeral service for the slain child was held Tuesday in Atlanta, where she was baptized and where her parents met.

 

[Blazeboy3]

JOHN B. RAMSEY, JONBENET'S FATHER: Well we have been pretty isolated -- totally isolated -- for the last five days, but we've sensed from our friends that this tragedy has touched not just ourselves and our friends but many people. And we know that there's many people that are praying for us, that are grieving with us. And we want to thank them, to let them know that we are healing, and that we know in our hearts that JonBenet is safe and with God and that the grieving that we all have to do is for ourselves and for our loss, but we want to thank those people that care about us.



ok...THIS IS IS A CLUE...WHAT'S MISSING FROM THE ABOVE/ABOVE POSTED STATEMENT/POST?

 

[Jayelles]

Toth:-

Might interest you to know that under the Frye test a determinaiton of stun gun use may be made from forensic quality photographs and not from examination of epidermal tissue.

And it would be laughed out of court. Steve Tuttle would be brought on to testify that during years of extensive testing, Taser had never been able to reproduce the marks as seen in JBR's autopsy photos.

Graphics experts would be brought in to show that the marks on JBR don't match up to any known brand of stungun.

The Boggs photos would be shown to demoinstrate what real stungun marks look like when the victim dies soon after.

The pigmarks would be used to show that when a stungun is used, the marks are pink and match up to the weapon perfectly.

I say bring it on - it will be torn to pieces by expert witnesses.

 

[Jayelles]

And Toth, you might be interested in this re the admissability of evidence submited under the Frye Test:-

Out of forty published opinions prior to 1993 deciding the admissibility of voice identification evidence, twenty-three courts applied the Frye standard or a standard very similar to Frye. Sixteen of the twenty-three courts rejected the admission of such evidence

http://www.owlinvestigations.com/fo...pectrographic/standards_of_admissibility.html

 

[Toth]

The sixteen were probably right too.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Mrs. Mush: Hello Everyone,

I've never posted on the JBR forum. This will be my first.

Ned: Under your name it say 145 posts. First one, you must be a Peterson addict then LOL?

 

[Nedthan Johns]

One questions that I have is who is Susan Stine?

The other one that I have is has the man who was playing Santa Clause been looked at closely and eliminated?

Thank to all of you who respond. I hope to be a part of this forum.

Ned: Let me surmise the whole case for you, it's real simple:

No Santa Claus didn't play a part in this crime, except to show up for a Christmas party and hand out presents.

That JOhn and Patsy Ramsey are the only TWO viable suspects, unless you want to go out on a limb and include Burke. That the evidence thus far points ONLY to a Ramsey involvement. Patsy wrote the note, Patsy placed the tape over JB's mouth, and JOhn Ramsey was a participating member for certain which was confirmed by Lin Wood's release of the 911 tape. That the BPD don't have the brains or balls to make an arrest in this case, and that the Ramsey's will forever live in the facade that they have done nothing wrong, including failing to continue to look for their imaginary intruder who they claim took the life of "that child". That Lou Smit will forever believe his stun gun theory since he imployed the use of PIGS to prove it. Because we all know GREAT investigators stop when they have reached only ONE possible conclusion, the one that fits his theory. LOL

Other than that, welcome and how the heck is the Peterson case doing?

 

[Toltec]

Blazeboy...you got me?

Other than the fact that John told a lie about being isolated...I do not know what is missing.

Edited to add: John did not mention a reward for catching the killer?

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Sabrina: Mrs Mush,

There were no hairs found on JonBenet, I think you are thinking about what was reported as a "public" hair found on the blanket JonBenet was wrapped in. This was later changed to "a body hair". It was only ONE hair.

Ned: I believe this hair was confired to be Patsy's. I may be wrong

Sabrina: I could be wrong, but the fibers mostly all match up to Patsy and John.

Ned: Fibers from John's shirt he wore that night were found on Jb's underpants. Patsy's were found on the rope, paint tote and under the tape. Blue fiber was found that matches nothing else found in the home.

Sabrina: I bet they came from a towel that probably was never collected.

Ned: Hence the NEED for the club clubs which lay within a foot of the crime scene. ONe rag that doesn't match anything else in the house. The rag used to clean the clubs Most likely and in reach of a killer

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Sissi: C.decides to create an elaborate staging of murder by
crazed pedophile that's into bondage

Ned: The ONLY reason any parent would chose to knowingly sexually abuse their child to include in a cover up would be if that child was being sexually abused prior to the crime. ONLY REASON. IN fact they went as far as to use the BROKEN end of the paint brush to simulate rape and make sure she bleed. Not an option had the child not have been sexually abused prior. They were trying to COVER up the fact that she was being abused. So accidental or not, the Ramsey's had no choice. They couldn't call an ambulance.

Had this been some sort of accident, and for some crazy reason the parents decided not to call for an ambulance then WHY stage a rape scene with a broken paint brush? It wouldn't have needed to be included. The ransom note was all about a kidnapping, not a rape.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Sissi: No beaver items were ever found in the home,not in vacuuming,not in a closet,and certainly not in "boots" that have become one of the legends surrounding this case

Ned: Actually Sissi, did the BPD every recover the vacuum cleaner? I haven't heard this to be true and would be important had no beaver hairs been found in it, however I believe the BEST source as to answer whether Beaver hair was ever in the home prior would be Linda Pugh, who would have been in charge of vacuuming and would know if Patsy or John had boots which were lined with such

 

[Ivy]

Only a few areas of the house were vacuumed, right?

 

[MrsMush99]

OK Everyone,

I've looked for PMPT and DOI in Barnes and Noble today and they did not have them. They did have a couple of other ones but didn't know if they were any good so I didn't get them. I'm going to keep trying to get them without having to order them online.

 

[Toltec]

Ned...one of the posters on Skanky's forum theorized that the killer stepped on a beaver before entering the home!

 

[Ivy]

MrsMush...Does your public library have the books? If it does, you could check them out and then order the books from Amazon or somewhere. Just a thought.

 

[Maxi]

Mrs Mush, be sure to look in the remainders section. I've seen both of them there at Borders, I think. You can probably find it used on Amazon, and the price plus shipping may not add up to as much as you'd spend in a store.

 

[sissi]

Can I have a go at summarizing it for you MrsMush?
Patsy and John were great business people but rather naive(could say stupid) at life.
They trusted the world (their world) was a safe haven,they didn't do a very good job of protecting their most precious possessions,their children.
They were proud of their accomplishments,flaunted them in the press,they were proud of their beautiful daughter and flaunted her,as well.
Their house was found in the morning with no less than 7 unlocked windows and one door ajar. Many people had keys to their home,current employees as well as past ones,including a neighbor.
They chose to sleep on a different floor of the house than their children,making it impossible to hear anything,not even a midnight illness.
The warning of the housekeeper to keep Jonbenet closer to home,watch her outside at play was unheeded,they didn't see who she talked to on the street,in the alley or in the yard.
There are cities in this United States where parents can be found neglectful for allowing their children to walk to school,let alone play blocks away at the age of six.
Someone took advantage of their incredible trust,and took their child's life. No one knows who, certainly they don't,they weren't looking!
IMO

 

[Sabrina]

Yes, and the Ramseys still haven't learned their lesson because they virtually did not provide any security for Burke right after the kidnapping , and their home in Atlanta was broken into (very suspiciously)

 

[Toth]

Nothing suspicious about the Atlanta breakin.

Fairly good summary of their views and trusting nature. Their 'world' had evil in it only during the Sunday sermon. I would not agree with the 'flaunting' part, but see no particular need to quibble about it. The newspaper article was not even John Ramseys idea, I think it was Jeff Merricks. They did not throw lavish parties or have an opulent lifestyle.