Ramsey reaction to JonBenet's death

[Ames]

Okay, so maybe he hit her intentionally. Very possible. But the end result was she was taken to the hospital immediately. It was hardly a life threatening incident.

Exactly....

 

[Ames]

Ames,

JonBenet's head injury is classified as severe, and is rarely seen in children!

In both cases medical attention was required but only in the former was it sought.

I'm assuming there is no death penalty for accidental death in Colorado?

Now the wine-cellar crime-scene sure looks like a homicide, and for that I guess its life or the death penalty, why risk all that for an accident?

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Because, imo...the golf club incident was not as severe, and wasn't caused by a parent that could end up being thrown in jail for the murder of their daughter. JB would have probably died en route to the ER....thats a little bit different than being hit in the face and leg with a golf club by her brother. It obviously wasn't as severe...because she overcame the golf club incident....she obviously didn't overcome the severe head wound that displaced part of her skull. Her parents would have been arrested on the spot. And if your sexual abuse theory is correct, WHY then did they take her to the ER for the golf club incident, in the first place.....what IF JB told the doctors that she was being abused?? Why weren't the Ramsey's afraid of that, if that was happening to her? Maybe she was being sexually abused, but I don't believe that it was by her father.

 

[UKGuy]

Why do you think that they decided to silence her on Christmas night, when they had a trip planned, and later a cruise? How do you think that she got the head wound? She could have been attacked because of the bed soiling incident, and later silenced to cover up her sexual abuse. Sort of like, killing two birds with one stone.....(excuse the expression).

Ames,

JonBenet was sexually assaulted on Christmas night because her killer decided the holiday period offered perfect circumstances, e.g. no school etc

She may have been initially asphyxiated then whacked on the head to ensure she was dead?

One thing to note is that her inital asphyxiation appears to be done from the front with her compressed abrasion marking on her lower neck, but her head injury appears to have been delivered from behind and above, suggesting JonBenet was lying face down. The force of her fracture goes beyond that of a fall, and is analogous to a high speed vehicle collision.


There is no evidence to suggest bedwetting or soiling was the initial factor in JonBenet's death, with all the care her killer(s) took to remove forensic evidence, they neglected her urine-soaked longjohns and feces-soiled pants lying on the floor in her bathroom, both evidence of a possible Toilet Rage incident.

I reckon JonBenet was being chronically sexually abused, and that both parents colluded in this, its this that was intended to be hidden by the staging.

Introducing an accidental death simply complicates an already complex homicide.


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[rashomon]

Ames,

JonBenet was sexually assaulted on Christmas night because her killer decided the holiday period offered perfect circumstances, e.g. no school etc

Late at night and a few hours before they were to fly to Michigan? You call that perfect circumstances?

 

[Solace]

Ames,

JonBenet was sexually assaulted on Christmas night because her killer decided the holiday period offered perfect circumstances, e.g. no school etc

She may have been initially asphyxiated then whacked on the head to ensure she was dead?

One thing to note is that her inital asphyxiation appears to be done from the front with her compressed abrasion marking on her lower neck, but her head injury appears to have been delivered from behind and above, suggesting JonBenet was lying face down. The force of her fracture goes beyond that of a fall, and is analogous to a high speed vehicle collision.


There is no evidence to suggest bedwetting or soiling was the initial factor in JonBenet's death, with all the care her killer(s) took to remove forensic evidence, they neglected her urine-soaked longjohns and feces-soiled pants lying on the floor in her bathroom, both evidence of a possible Toilet Rage incident.

I reckon JonBenet was being chronically sexually abused, and that both parents colluded in this, its this that was intended to be hidden by the staging.

Introducing an accidental death simply complicates an already complex homicide.


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So Patsy and John are both sexually abusing JonBenet; yet Patsy brings JonBenet to the doctors 33 times in 3 years. I don't think so UK.

 

[Ames]

Ames,

JonBenet was sexually assaulted on Christmas night because her killer decided the holiday period offered perfect circumstances, e.g. no school etc

She may have been initially asphyxiated then whacked on the head to ensure she was dead?

One thing to note is that her inital asphyxiation appears to be done from the front with her compressed abrasion marking on her lower neck, but her head injury appears to have been delivered from behind and above, suggesting JonBenet was lying face down. The force of her fracture goes beyond that of a fall, and is analogous to a high speed vehicle collision.


There is no evidence to suggest bedwetting or soiling was the initial factor in JonBenet's death, with all the care her killer(s) took to remove forensic evidence, they neglected her urine-soaked longjohns and feces-soiled pants lying on the floor in her bathroom, both evidence of a possible Toilet Rage incident.

I reckon JonBenet was being chronically sexually abused, and that both parents colluded in this, its this that was intended to be hidden by the staging.

Introducing an accidental death simply complicates an already complex homicide.


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There is not a doubt in my mind that she was hit in the head FIRST. I have a thread somewhere on this board...you would have to search for it....titled..."What It Feels Like To Be Strangled". As a young girl...I too was strangled. I don't feel like going into the details right now..you will have to find that thread if you want them. I am lucky, I survived....BUT...I can tell you that UNLESS JB's hands were tied while she was being strangled, she would have ripped her neck to shreds trying to remove the cord...because thats what I did...and its what anyone would do when they are fighting to breathe, and for their life. Pieces of her own flesh would have been found under her nails. I do not believe that her hands were tied as she was being strangled, because there would have been some "fight marks" on her wrists....burn marks from the rope or the rope against her shirt sleeve, where she was wiggling and trying to get free to try and loosen that cord that was cutting off her airway.

 

[Ames]

So Patsy and John are both sexually abusing JonBenet; yet Patsy brings JonBenet to the doctors 33 times in 3 years. I don't think so UK.

Yep, I agree...that it totally ridiculous.

 

[Solace]

Yep, I agree...that it totally ridiculous.

Ames, it is ridiculous. Another thing is Patsy was totally medicated after the murder, totally. We can see it in the CNN interview. She is slurring all over the place. If her intent was to come home and kill JonBenet, why then does no one who she visited notice anything out of the ordinary with Patsy at the Party. No one says she seemed nervous or preoccupied. She is fine. So that would mean she is as cool as can be and planning her daughter's murder. Why does she need medication later. If she is as ruthless as UK would have us believe, she would have it a little more together than that. This theory is so out there that I can't even reply to it anymore. It is as bizarre as saying there was a "sex ring" going on and JonBenet was the prize.

But Albert 18 says it best when he posts that that idea should be put in storage because it only leads us anyway from solving the crime. It is exactly what John and Patsy wanted people to believe that she was sexually assaulted and no parent would do that. I can absolutely see Patsy going into survival mode and justifying it

This is a rage incident committed by one of the Ramseys.

 

[Solace]

Ames,

JonBenet was sexually assaulted on Christmas night because her killer decided the holiday period offered perfect circumstances, e.g. no school etc.

UK, can we get serious about this please.

 

[Ames]

UKGuy;1429510]Ames,[/color]

JonBenet was sexually assaulted on Christmas night because her killer decided the holiday period offered perfect circumstances, e.g. no school etc.

UK, can we get serious about this please.

LOL...yeah, really. Patsy to John: "Dear, when do you think that we should molest and kill JonBenet? I was thinking maybe after New Years, what do you think?" John: "No, honey...that wouldn't be the best time, because ...you know, she would be in school and everything. Since she is out of school for Christmas break now, why don't we just do it now?" I am sorry, I don't mean to make light of such a serious subject....but, JB being sexually assaulted and killed on Christmas night, because she had no school...is the most ridiculous thing that I have read in a long time.

 

[Solace]

LOL...yeah, really. Patsy to John: "Dear, when do you think that we should molest and kill JonBenet? I was thinking maybe after New Years, what do you think?" John: "No, honey...that wouldn't be the best time, because ...you know, she would be in school and everything. Since she is out of school for Christmas break now, why don't we just do it now?" I am sorry, I don't mean to make light of such a serious subject....but, JB being sexually assaulted and killed on Christmas night, because she had no school...is the most ridiculous thing that I have read in a long time.

I don't blame you Ames - "And lets only kill JonBenet, after all we haven't been molesting Burke, so there is no need".

 

[Albert18]

That does bring up an interesting question I have often wondered about. Would JonBenet still be alive today if she had been a boy?

It appears there were some rousing battles between Patsy and JonBenet and a little boy might have been able to be away with Burke and been allowed to be a little boy.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

I get turned around sometimes trying to figure out what happened to JonBenet and why. I definitely think there's evidence that seriously suggests she was the victim of molestation prior to the night she was killed, but I'm not sure who was doing it. I don't think the murder appears to have been planned - if she was killed to be silenced, then whoever did it decided to do that night without any pre-planning...or else that entire scene wouldn't have been such a jumbled up mess with everything but the kitchen sink thrown in.

And Albert, I definitely think JonBenet being a girl had a lot to do with the fact that she isn't here anymore. I think Patsy had a hard time dealing with JonBenet establishing independence and individuality. I think she was having a hard time at that point in her life in general, even though people try to claim everything was roses for the Rs and there were no problems whatsoever. There were problems, from JR's business down to home issues and personal ones for Patsy, like turning 40, and I guarantee you JR's consistent absence in the house (and emotional distancing when he was) didn't help much.

I also think the Snow White theory isn't all that unbelievable at all.

 

[Solace]

That does bring up an interesting question I have often wondered about. Would JonBenet still be alive today if she had been a boy?

It appears there were some rousing battles between Patsy and JonBenet and a little boy might have been able to be away with Burke and been allowed to be a little boy.

Albert18, she probably would be alive. I have a feeling that JonBenet and this is not to speak ill of her, but I bet she was use to getting everything she wanted, except a childhood, and she could be a "handful" if she were not in the mood. She did NOT have an ordinary childhood. Just the dressing up alone separates her. I just have no idea what happened that night. Do you?

 

[Ames]

That does bring up an interesting question I have often wondered about. Would JonBenet still be alive today if she had been a boy?

It appears there were some rousing battles between Patsy and JonBenet and a little boy might have been able to be away with Burke and been allowed to be a little boy.

Maybe, maybe not. (I orginally put "sure she would"..but, changed my mind). They didn't try to make a living Barbie doll out of Burke...., dressing him up, putting makeup on him, putting him in pageants, having picture after picture taken....because he was a boy...BUT, I still believe that Patsy flew into an alcohol induced rage attack on JB, ...maybe Patsy had one too many cocktails at the White's christmas party (she admitted to drinking "a couple"....but, how big were the glasses? And was she telling the truth about how many she had?)...and flew into an alcohol induced rage attack on JB, because JB soiled her bed, OR she wanted to stay up and play with her toys...whatever the reason....I believe that Patsy flew rage attack, and didn't intend to harm JB. I believe the reason that she was a "handful" is because her parents made her that way. If she had of been a boy, AND had of been just as spoiled as she was (as a girl)...and the same scenario happened that night with her/him...I believe that its possible that she would still be dead. I do not think that Burke was as spoiled as JB was, though...and maybe because of this...if JB had of been a boy she WOULD still be alive today. It would have probably depended on how they would have treated her, IF she had of been a boy. I believe that they loved her...and that she wasn't being molested at home...because of all of the dr's visits. Would you take a child that you didn't love, that was being molested at home...to the dr. as many times as Patsy took JB? Or even at all??? This is why I believe that it they didn't "mean for this to happen".

 

[Solace]

Maybe, maybe not. (I orginally put "sure she would"..but, changed my mind). They didn't try to make a living Barbie doll out of Burke...., dressing him up, putting makeup on him, putting him in pageants, having picture after picture taken....because he was a boy...BUT, I still believe that Patsy flew into an alcohol induced rage attack on JB, ...maybe Patsy had one too many cocktails at the White's christmas party (she admitted to drinking "a couple"....but, how big were the glasses? And was she telling the truth about how many she had?)...and flew into an alcohol induced rage attack on JB, because JB soiled her bed, OR she wanted to stay up and play with her toys...whatever the reason....I believe that Patsy flew rage attack, and didn't intend to harm JB. I believe the reason that she was a "handful" is because her parents made her that way. If she had of been a boy, AND had of been just as spoiled as she was (as a girl)...and the same scenario happened that night with her/him...I believe that its possible that she would still be dead. I do not think that Burke was as spoiled as JB was, though...and maybe because of this...if JB had of been a boy she WOULD still be alive today. It would have probably depended on how they would have treated her, IF she had of been a boy. I believe that they loved her...and that she wasn't being molested at home...because of all of the dr's visits. Would you take a child that you didn't love, that was being molested at home...to the dr. as many times as Patsy took JB? Or even at all??? This is why I believe that it they didn't "mean for this to happen".

No you would not. I said the same thing.

 

[UKGuy]

There is not a doubt in my mind that she was hit in the head FIRST. I have a thread somewhere on this board...you would have to search for it....titled..."What It Feels Like To Be Strangled". As a young girl...I too was strangled. I don't feel like going into the details right now..you will have to find that thread if you want them. I am lucky, I survived....BUT...I can tell you that UNLESS JB's hands were tied while she was being strangled, she would have ripped her neck to shreds trying to remove the cord...because thats what I did...and its what anyone would do when they are fighting to breathe, and for their life. Pieces of her own flesh would have been found under her nails. I do not believe that her hands were tied as she was being strangled, because there would have been some "fight marks" on her wrists....burn marks from the rope or the rope against her shirt sleeve, where she was wiggling and trying to get free to try and loosen that cord that was cutting off her airway.

Ames,

There is not a doubt in my mind ...

Well there is in mine, since I was not there I cannot share your certitude.

JonBenet may have been manually strangled by someone kneeling over her, or the top she was wearing was used to hold her head in place, in an attempt to force her to comply with her killers demands, her refusal may have led to her death.


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[UKGuy]

That does bring up an interesting question I have often wondered about. Would JonBenet still be alive today if she had been a boy?

It appears there were some rousing battles between Patsy and JonBenet and a little boy might have been able to be away with Burke and been allowed to be a little boy.

Albert18,

Probably since a pageant career, and sexual molestation, may not have been inflicted upon a boy?


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[UKGuy]

So Patsy and John are both sexually abusing JonBenet; yet Patsy brings JonBenet to the doctors 33 times in 3 years. I don't think so UK.

Solace,

Post your source that states JonBenet had an internal examination on any one of those visits?


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[Nuisanceposter]

Now there's something to ponder...Patsy could have put Burke through pageants like she did with JonBenet. Boys compete as well. Why didn't Patsy have Burke at dance class, with singing lessons and French lessons in between violin and piano? Why weren't there portfolios of Burke, featuring pictures of him in different outfits, taken by a professional photographer? Why wasn't she having him perform cute little song and dance numbers for the school, like she had JonBenet doing?

She talks about Burke participating to the same parades JonBenet did, dressed up in costume with the Boys Scouts handing out candy as they walked along. How did Burke manage to get a pass on being Patsy's other pet pageant project? Because he was a boy? How would the Ramsey family have been different if both Burke and JonBenet had boys, or girls?