Ransom note, as viewed by a foreigner!

[twizzler333]

Try reading some texts on psychosis, religion, art and murder.

While in some cases, BrotherMoon, this is true, it just doesn't fit in this case, no matter how you try to make it look that way. As far as I have read and heard about, there is nothing in Patsy's history to indicate she was this type of person or would kill her child for the reasons you believe. I'm sorry, I just don't see it in THIS case. I know people who are exactly the type of mother/person Patsy was back then (based on what I have read and learned), and your theory just isn't adding up to this type of person. I truly think there would be signs BEFORE it got to this murder to indicate some strange behaviors leading to this.

She was the type of mother who would more likely have someone really PO'd at her and her high price living and showing off all she had, do this to "bring her off her high horse" than for her to do this for the reasons you state.

I have friends just like her. They do all this stuff like they are trying to be mother of the century or something. They act like nothing is ever wrong, their kids are perfect, their homes are perfect, etc. (but when you are related to one of these people- you see the OTHER side of it- they are going at a rabbit's pace to keep up with all this they have created in their life and sometimes you see the look on their faces and the exhaustion and the reality of it- things are not always perfect, sometimes they are just like the rest of us, normal. BUT that doesn't mean the kill their precious kids.) Did she snap? I don't think she did and killed her child. She probably snapped some at home on occasion but not in a murderous rage. Heck, I "snap" every once in a while and just tell my kids to go to their room before I "lose it". Then, I go in my room and calm myself down. Sometimes you can only take so much. BUT you don't kill your kids over it, and this psychosis/relegious/art/muder stuff NEVER even comes into play! Trust me! If you were a mother in today's times, you would know! Mentally ill women, abused women, maybe then, yes, and it doesn't matter of your financial stature either.

 

[twizzler333]

AND furthermore- LISTEN to the 911 tape again real close. She was frantic and she did NOT pop off SBTC right off the top of her head, she actually read it, you can tell.

 

[BrotherMoon]

AND furthermore- LISTEN to the 911 tape again real close. She was frantic and she did NOT pop off SBTC right off the top of her head, she actually read it, you can tell.

You buy her performance, I don't. I clearly hear acting in the 911 call. At one point she fills time by panting, waiting for the operator to speak again.

She did not snap. She went in to the psychosis gradually and it accelerated as the deadline of 12/25/96 approached. There are plenty of signs we know of; the pageant costumes, the trips to the doctor, her turn to religion after getting cancer, her comments to friends and family about Psalms 118. And a long history of narcissism.

And again, the point wasn't to kill, the point was to create an angel. Killing her daughter didn't solve her problems, creating a link to a supernatural being did.

 

[sissi]

You buy her performance, I don't. I clearly hear acting in the 911 call. At one point she fills time by panting, waiting for the operator to speak again.

She did not snap. She went in to the psychosis gradually and it accelerated as the deadline of 12/25/96 approached. There are plenty of signs we know of; the pageant costumes, the trips to the doctor, her turn to religion after getting cancer, her comments to friends and family about Psalms 118. And a long history of narcissism.

And again, the point wasn't to kill, the point was to create an angel. Killing her daughter didn't solve her problems, creating a link to a supernatural being did.

Meyer discovered ,on autopsy, the reason behind the multiple doc visits "Trachea: There is mild chronic inflammation in the submucosa
of the trachea." This child suffered from a chronic allergy that caused recurrent sinus problems. In my experience children with allergies are children who pick up secondary infections more often than others ,and DO require more frequent antibiotic treatments. The more antibiotic use the more ya' feed into a cycle of bacterial followed by yeast infections which would explain the vaginal inflammation ,as well.
Once again, however, I feel you are on the right track ,as I feel most of us are, but we don't have the right "face" on the perp.( not yet) BTW you described Santa far more closely than Patsy, and we KNOW he didn't kill this child..right? IMO

 

[twizzler333]

You buy her performance, I don't. I clearly hear acting in the 911 call. At one point she fills time by panting, waiting for the operator to speak again.

She did not snap. She went in to the psychosis gradually and it accelerated as the deadline of 12/25/96 approached. There are plenty of signs we know of; the pageant costumes, the trips to the doctor, her turn to religion after getting cancer, her comments to friends and family about Psalms 118. And a long history of narcissism.

And again, the point wasn't to kill, the point was to create an angel. Killing her daughter didn't solve her problems, creating a link to a supernatural being did.

I sometimes wonder if you are just sitting there typing all this BS and laughing at us, because there is no way any "normal" human being, living day-to-day, taking care of family, loving your children, and hoping to the Good Lord you raise them to be good, compassionate human beings in a society that is so dreadfully lunatic at times, would buy into this stuff you so believe.

Well to hear you tell I should be watching my sister really closely now. Her kids are involved in absolutely every stinking thing possible, they live a quite wealthy "well-to-do" life, she takes her kids to the doctor everytime the kids sneeze for fear of them getting something and she might miss it for Pete's sake, and she believes in God, and if she starts quoting scripture, as my OTHER sister does, oh well......I better call authorities right away. Give me a break!

You have a right to your belief and theory but I have to tell you, I am starting to wonder about you, to be honest and I say this sincerely and respectfully from one person to another, but honestly, BM, I don't get it.

 

[BrotherMoon]

I sometimes wonder if you are just sitting there typing all this BS and laughing at us, BM, I don't get it.

Oh, I know you don't get a lot of things.

And yes, I have quite a few laughs at your expense.

Btw, what do you wonder about me? I'd be curious what the middle of the bell curve thinks of me, many of the other poster find me interesting.

Do tell.

 

[KATKAT19691]

In my town about 20 years ago there was a murder of a 5 year old girl. She was in my oldest neice's class. I live in a pretty small town, so when her mother reported her missing everyone came out and looked for her. On the 3rd day she was missing the body was found in a pasture next to the school. Police thought this was strange because many people had searched this area. Want to know what happened to her?
Well, when police told her mother that they thought she was involved her son bucked up and told police he knew what happened to his sister. He said they were playing on the front porch he threw a laso around her neck and pulled, he threw the rope over a beam and lifted her up. He said he had no idea this would kill her since he had only done it for a second. What happened was when he pulled the rope back and she fell it broke her neck. He then took the body and put it under the house. Two days later he confessed to his mother and told her where gloria was. The mother took the body wrapped it in a blanket and put it in the pasture to protect her son. The blanket she was wrapped in was on the couch everyday the police were there and one remembered it.
It was discovered that gloria had been sexually abused and it was the land lord that fessed up to that. My point is her brother was only 7 1/2 years old. Not only did he kill his 5 year old sister, but he hid the body. He also had police convinced that a man in a pick up had picked her up by the school. People do not give children enough credit. Some can be quit smart when the sit. calls for it. So do not under est. that Burke COULD had killed JBR, and do not doute, that Patsy would cover up for her remaining child. Being a mother, I can not say that if my child did the same I would not protect him. As a matter of fact I would take the blame for him if needed.

Something to consider.


Also, her mother was on T.V. day one and day two praying to God that her child be returned and safe. She asked everyone to light a candel for gloria and to pray for her. I don't think this made her a psyco. Only someone who believed in God. Brothermoon, just assumes everyone who believes in god is like our neighbors in the East. He does not understand, though I do know why that someone one who believes very strong in god is not a nut. I do understand that he views this as someone who would believe in Santa Clause, it is the same to him. So everyone try to understand his view even if it seems silly, because to him you thinking there is a god is silly.

Kat
IMO

 

[twizzler333]

I totally believe it is possible that Burke did it simply because I know things like this do happen and I know children are capable of killing (accidentally or intentionally) but a good example from your post is this- What did the mother do to cover up the crime? She moved the child away from the home hoping to divert attention from the home. In the cases I have seen (on TV/books) most of the time people move them from the crime scene itself in hopes of diverting attention from themselves. Those who do try to cover up the crime at home, usually do something like bury the body there or hide it really well in the home. Look at the crimes we do know about where a family member committed the crime, what did they do with the body and how did they try and cover it up? The Ramsey's would have had plenty more time to have taken her body and put it somewhere else. For all intents and purposes, they really could have packed her up and taken her to Michigan and then done something with her.


I don't know, it may have been them, but it just seems really odd to me. I think someone who knew them and wanted to make them hurt and maybe was unhappy with Patsy flaunting JB all over town and wanted to knock PR down a notch did it and made sure they could find her and see what they did to their baby.

And a funny thing about the ransom note. While I KNOW this person could NOT have done this crime, I found it interesting how his handwriting reminded me of the RN too. J.T. Colfax- look at his birthday note to Mrs. Brady. Funny how close we could make the handwriting come close, just like Patsy's apparently did too. I just don't think the RN is a reliable source for solving the case (and it has proven to be just that, not reliable in solving it).

 

[twizzler333]

Oh, I know you don't get a lot of things.

And yes, I have quite a few laughs at your expense.

Btw, what do you wonder about me? I'd be curious what the middle of the bell curve thinks of me, many of the other poster find me interesting.

Do tell.

I find you interesting too, but just wonder why in the world you believe such nonsense sometimes. I sometimes see you as a loner, one who reads lots of books and one who feels superior to many people.

Apparently, as pointed out in a previous post up there recently, you think we are all silly who believe in God, so that really tells me alot. If you think we who believe are bizarre and such, then take that feeling and belief and you can bet it is the same way we think of your beliefs. I respect your beliefs as being yours, you can respect mine as being my own. Truce.

 

[KATKAT19691]

I totally believe it is possible that Burke did it simply because I know things like this do happen and I know children are capable of killing (accidentally or intentionally) but a good example from your post is this- What did the mother do to cover up the crime? She moved the child away from the home hoping to divert attention from the home. In the cases I have seen (on TV/books) most of the time people move them from the crime scene itself in hopes of diverting attention from themselves. Those who do try to cover up the crime at home, usually do something like bury the body there or hide it really well in the home. Look at the crimes we do know about where a family member committed the crime, what did they do with the body and how did they try and cover it up? The Ramsey's would have had plenty more time to have taken her body and put it somewhere else. For all intents and purposes, they really could have packed her up and taken her to Michigan and then done something with her.
I don't know, it may have been them, but it just seems really odd to me. I think someone who knew them and wanted to make them hurt and maybe was unhappy with Patsy flaunting JB all over town and wanted to knock PR down a notch did it and made sure they could find her and see what they did to their baby. And a funny thing about the ransom note. While I KNOW this person could NOT have done this crime, I found it interesting how his handwriting reminded me of the RN too. J.T. Colfax- look at his birthday note to Mrs. Brady. Funny how close we could make the handwriting come close, just like Patsy's apparently did too. I just don't think the RN is a reliable source for solving the case (and it has proven to be just that, not reliable in solving it).

Keep in mind, the little boy did not remove the body from home, it stayed there for 2 days, he only told his mother of the body when she commented on a bad order to him, I think she said she thought he left food in his room where he had been eating. She moved the body because there was no place to hide at her home, it was a mobil home, she said she put it in the field because she knew people had already searched there and thought they would not look there again.
I do agree with you. I think Burke did it, it is the only thing that answers all questions, as for the question as to why they did not just take the body up to the mountains and leave it. In CO. the animals would have destroyed the body before anyone found it. But then I also know that it is written by experts that a mother will take care of the body example, put a blanket on it. So I guess that is why they would have not moved it from home. Patsy would have been protecting the body. The woman in Houston that drowned her five children, she laid them out in the bed and covered them with a sheet before police got there. Mothers tend to care for the child even in death. By writing the note Patsy was protecting Burke, by putting the blanket on JBR and leaving her in the basement where no other harm would come to her she was protecting JonBenet.

IMO
Kat

 

[Nehemiah]

I was reading something that Robert Ressler said about JB's body being in the windowless room. According to him, criminals do not get themselves into situations, or rooms, where there is no exit. And there was no way out in that room if an intruder had been in there with the body and a person happened upon him/her while in the act.

IMO

 

[BrotherMoon]

I find you interesting too, but just wonder why in the world you believe such nonsense sometimes. I sometimes see you as a loner, one who reads lots of books and one who feels superior to many people.

Apparently, as pointed out in a previous post up there recently, you think we are all silly who believe in God, so that really tells me alot. If you think we who believe are bizarre and such, then take that feeling and belief and you can bet it is the same way we think of your beliefs. I respect your beliefs as being yours, you can respect mine as being my own. Truce.

You misunderstand me. I am a Gnostic and a Jungian. I believe in God. I also seek knowledge and experience.

I say all the images in myths are products of the human psyche, both conscious and unconscious. The further you go into the unconscious the more we have in common with nature proper. In my world view we can have those two experiences; nature proper and human nature. In my world view there are no supernatural beings.

I say belief is essential to a healthy psyche and the God image is central to all that. To me, God is all the more real, being natural instead of super natural. To me God is an immediate experience, an experience well worth all the caveats found in religions. To me the idea that God is "out there" somewhere is the classic example of what the Depth Psychologists call unconscious projection of an archetype.

I am not against belief or believing in God, I am for it. But as I believe there are no supernatural beings, when I hear someone say they have a special relationship with one I know they think they know what a supernatural being is and how it behaves. I don't discount them as silly, in fact I listen to them with all the more interest as they are about to reveal THEMSELVES psychologically while they think they are talking about a supernatural being.

I don't regard myself as superior. I have an I.Q. somewhere around 145, not great, but it's up there. I guage myself by my acquisition of knowledge and experience and my participation with the creative process not by how many synapses I inherited. I also enjoy a sardonic sense of humor, so sue me. :truce:

 

[KATKAT19691]

You misunderstand me. I am a Gnostic and a Jungian. I believe in God. I also seek knowledge and experience.

I say all the images in myths are products of the human psyche, both conscious and unconscious. The further you go into the unconscious the more we have in common with nature proper. In my world view we can have those two experiences; nature proper and human nature. In my world view there are no supernatural beings.

I say belief is essential to a healthy psyche and the God image is central to all that. To me, God is all the more real, being natural instead of super natural. To me God is an immediate experience, an experience well worth all the caveats found in religions. To me the idea that God is "out there" somewhere is the classic example of what the Depth Psychologists call unconscious projection of an archetype.

I am not against belief or believing in God, I am for it. But as I believe there are no supernatural beings, when I hear someone say they have a special relationship with one I know they think they know what a supernatural being is and how it behaves. I don't discount them as silly, in fact I listen to them with all the more interest as they are about to reveal THEMSELVES psychologically while they think they are talking about a supernatural being.

I don't regard myself as superior. I have an I.Q. somewhere around 145, not great, but it's up there. I guage myself by my acquisition of knowledge and experience and my participation with the creative process not by how many synapses I inherited. I also enjoy a sardonic sense of humor, so sue me. :truce:

Now BM, don't back down now. I have read many of your post and that is how I came to the conclusion that you like myself do not believe that there is "ONE GOD". That is okay we live in America and we are allowed our views. I do differ from you in the fact I believe in something, if nothing more than Karma. As in what goes around comes around. I have a problem believing there is a God for several reasons. The first and foremost is that God himself said you shall have no other God before me, does that not imply that God himself knows there are other Gods. I also have a hard time believing because what kind of God would allow the terrible things to happen to children that happen. A little girl, found in a basement. That is not a God I would want to believe in. So I chose to believe in do to others as you would have them do to you. Treat everyone with respect. My father told me once when I was a teen, and I was upset with with someone who did something awful to me. I wanted to find a way to get back at them. He told me, don't worry about it, they will get what they deserve. Sure enough they did. I was born to a wicked horrible mother, what did I do to deserve such hate? Nothing I was a baby. What did JBR do to deserve to be killed and left on a cold basement floor? Nothing, she was only a baby herself. But in my world. Whoever hurt her will pay. Maybe pay in ways that the Justice system could never give such punishment because Karma, has no mercy. So everyone, don't stay awake at night driving yourself nuts thinking that no one is being punished, if they have not already, they will be. Patsy may have thought it was a good idea to cover up for burke at the time, if that is what she did well she will be punished. It may not be jail time, but much worse, she will live the rest of her life, knowing what she did, she will have to look at her son for the rest of her life and know what he is.
I point to the case of Martha Moxley again. If Tommy had been caught and punished back when the crime happened, he prob. would have gotten off with a light sen. Since it waited 20 years when his family does not have the power and he was not a child looking at a Judge, he got a much harder sen. So the fact it was 20 years was better. Just wait all Justice for JONBENET will come.
IMO
Kat

 

[TressaRing28]

Oh, I know you don't get a lot of things.

And yes, I have quite a few laughs at your expense.

Btw, what do you wonder about me? I'd be curious what the middle of the bell curve thinks of me, many of the other poster find me interesting.

Do tell.

Well I don't know what Twizzler thinks about you. But from end of my bell curve,the odds prove that the attention you percieve to enjoy from flaming posters, only shows your inability to have close relationships,also shows a person who reads psychology to understand his own inadequacies. Not Patsy Ramseys pyschosis,but indeed you're own. You're Narcissism is beyond control.

Being anal retentive is a description that suits your personality.
In writing such a statement ,I must include the anomaly of men that was taken from the breast to soon...

I have seen people with a slight elevation in IQ(anything over 130--not to exceed 150) percieves themselves as superior to others, with the inability to except any opinion other than their own...

Patsy Ramsey might have killed Jon Benet, but she didn't kill her to create an Angel. Patsys faith that Jon Benet is an Angel in death, goes back to her Relgious belief in God the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit.

In dealing with a Narcissus Personality. One might use daily affirmations such as " Speaking healing to their Mind, Body,and soul", to combat there deep rooted need to critcize...

In writing this post I take personal responsibility for any reaction that might
hinder the understanding that I contribute to the entity that calls himself BrotherMoon.

 

[KATKAT19691]

Well I don't know what Twizzler thinks about you. But from end of my bell curve,the odds prove that the attention you percieve to enjoy from flaming posters, only shows your inability to have close relationships,also shows a person who reads psychology to understand his own inadequacies. Not Patsy Ramseys pyschosis,but indeed you're own. You're Narcissism is beyond control.

Being anal retentive is a description that suits your personality.
In writing such a statement ,I must include the anomaly of men that was taken from the breast to soon...

I have seen people with a slight elevation in IQ(anything over 130--not to exceed 150) percieves themselves as superior to others, with the inability to except any opinion other than their own...

Patsy Ramsey might have killed Jon Benet, but she didn't kill her to create an Angel. Patsys faith that Jon Benet is an Angel in death, goes back to her Relgious belief in God the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit.

In dealing with a Narcissus Personality. One might use daily affirmations such as " Speaking healing to their Mind, Body,and soul", to combat there deep rooted need to critcize...

In writing this post I take personal responsibility for any reaction that might
hinder the understanding that I contribute to the entity that calls himself BrotherMoon.

You are correct, I agree!!!!

 

[BrotherMoon]

Well I don't know what Twizzler thinks about you. But from end of my bell curve,the odds prove that the attention you percieve to enjoy from flaming posters, only shows your inability to have close relationships,also shows a person who reads psychology to understand his own inadequacies. Not Patsy Ramseys pyschosis,but indeed you're own. You're Narcissism is beyond control.

Being anal retentive is a description that suits your personality.
In writing such a statement ,I must include the anomaly of men that was taken from the breast to soon...

I have seen people with a slight elevation in IQ(anything over 130--not to exceed 150) percieves themselves as superior to others, with the inability to except any opinion other than their own...

Patsy Ramsey might have killed Jon Benet, but she didn't kill her to create an Angel. Patsys faith that Jon Benet is an Angel in death, goes back to her Relgious belief in God the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit.

In dealing with a Narcissus Personality. One might use daily affirmations such as " Speaking healing to their Mind, Body,and soul", to combat there deep rooted need to critcize...

In writing this post I take personal responsibility for any reaction that might
hinder the understanding that I contribute to the entity that calls himself BrotherMoon.

Now that's a thing of beauty. Thanks.

 

[sissi]

I think it's great that Brothermoon is trying to find meaning in life and a way to experience it by hookin' up with nature. Now,back to you Brothermoon, ya' haven't addressed, but then again I didn't ask a question, your profile of Patsy and how perfectly you seemed to have described Santa.
Darn I wish I could remember all of the "wacky crap" Santa pulled both before the murder and after, (I lost 17 IQ points between age 40 and 58 and likely a few frontal lobe cells as well ,hence , am mellowing naturally as age swipes the memory, and ,long ago ,gave up trying to find the "why" in life and decided to just live the hand I was dealt) Don't trust in that curve, it only offers a polite way to confirm ethnic superiority. Oops..back to topic!
Why was Santa so attracted to someone elses child ?

It was 1994. She was 4. JonBenet was a name known to only her family and her friends. It was still unknown to the tabloid press.
"She just had that inner glow,'' said McReynolds, who was working at the mall as Santa Claus for local business owners. "I went home and said to my wife, 'I think I've seen an angel.'''
"The truth of the little girl is not in the facts,'' he said. "There really is no way I can define her spirit. She was a very precious child.''
He recalled his final conversation with her.
"I told her, 'When you get to the Miss America contest, you have to save a seat for ol' Santa,''' he said. "She just smiled at me.''
McReynolds saw two visitors to his front porch, and bid them good luck as they prepared to negotiate the blanket of fresh snow masking his long driveway.
"I'm going back inside to watch Miracle on 34th Street,'' he said. "That's my dream.''
from RMN

Now let's talk about slipping into psychosis!!
IMO

 

[BrotherMoon]

Now let's talk about slipping into psychosis!!
IMO

I think you couldn't keep up.

 

[TressaRing28]

Now that's a thing of beauty. Thanks.

Indeed.

 

[sissi]

I think you couldn't keep up.

Try me, I'll grab "whatever little" I can.