Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[LinasK]

A friend of mine was a Playmate when we were in college. Hefner ran a tight ship at the Playboy Mansion. No way would he have allowed under-age girls or boys to drink or party. It didn't happen, imo.

Okay then, what about the other 29 victims who weren't at the Playboy Mansion? Think all of them are making it up too? To me there is credibility in numbers, like all the women Tiger Woods slept with.

 

[MyBelle]

Do you mean because Paula Jones could not show proof of damages?

Paula Jones had no damages of harassment at work. She was promoted.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

And Paula Jones's case has diddly squat to do with Bill Cosby's. JMO

 

[rosemadderlake]

No, I haven't.

However, I fail to see what relevance the drug he used has to whether or not his victims went to a doctor. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I haven't seen reports either way so I don't think it is fair to assume that they didn't. We just don't know.

Bbm: If one of these women got a blood test and can produce medical records and name the drug - it adds credibility to the drugged claim - more so than a volume number of women saying the same thing with no idea what they were drugged with. We have read all the explicit details of the various sexual assaults over a 40 year span - yet the drug that BC used was left out of the press for what reason? These women could get mowed over by an opposition lawyer if it ends up in court. (imo)

 

[MyBelle]

Okay then, what about the other 29 victims who weren't at the Playboy Mansion? Think all of them are making it up too? To me there is credibility in numbers, like all the women Tiger Woods slept with.

What about them? I don't find the quantity of accusers represents credibility or proof a crime was committed. It didn't work in the McMartin Preschool case and I doubt it works in this case. I do believe the media is quickly going to back off and stop giving the accusers any platform at all. Janice Dickinson pretty much assured that is going to happen after her bizarre rant to Nancy Grace. Gloria Allred is distancing herself from the civil lawsuit.

 

[MyBelle]

And Paula Jones's case has diddly squat to do with Bill Cosby's. JMO

Same attorney.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Bbm: If one of these women got a blood test and can produce medical records and name the drug - it adds credibility to the drugged claim - more so than a volume number of women saying the same thing with no idea what they were drugged with. We have read all the explicit details of the various sexual assaults over a 40 year span - yet the drug that BC used was left out of the press for what reason? These women could get mowed over by an opposition lawyer if it ends up in court. (imo)

Because they were unable to identify the substance they were drugged with? Seriously?

It's an imperfect analogy, but are victims of other crimes who were threatened with a gun expected to be believed only if they could name the make and caliber of the gun?

SMH trying to prevent it from exploding.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Same attorney.

Apart from that? Please do delineate the commonalities that you perceive between the two cases.

 

[rosemadderlake]

cultures of silence
What You Might Not Know About ‘Getting Roofied’
By Jordan Kisner
October 7, 2014 12:50 p.m.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/10/what-you-might-not-know-about-getting-roofied.html

first person
June 12, 2014 8:00 a.m.
I Was Raped, and I Stayed Silent About My ‘Coveted Status’
By Amanda Ruggeri
http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/06/i-was-raped-its-not-a-coveted-status.html
"...Calling police, and then trekking back and forth across the winter-cold campus to go to a police station, hospital, and pharmacy felt physically insurmountable... "

Document Title: Drug-facilitated, Incapacitated, and Forcible Rape: A National Study
Author(s): Dean G. Kilpatrick, Ph.D. ; Heidi S. Resnick, Ph.D. ; Kenneth J. Ruggiero, Ph.D. ; Lauren M. Conoscenti, M. A. ; Jenna McCauley, M. S.
Document No.: 219181; Date Received: July 2007; Award Number: 2005-WG-BX-0006
www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/219181.pdf

Rosemadderlake, that is so great that you would be proactive, major kudos. However, everyone is different and for some of us, it is quite the opposite reaction and some of us speak from our own horrible experience (not by BC though). But I think research/statistics help too in understanding these types of cases better, so I included some links to articles/studies that you may find helpful. These aren't about BC allegations but drug-facilitated rape/roofied/mickeys/etc, but do provide statistics and give some good insight on reporting etc.

Thank you for the links - there's a big difference in knowing something for one's own self, and knowing something to press charges. So I think my point is more about for some of these older cases especially, I wonder if, at that time, did any of these women want to "know specifically for themselves".

Respectfully, my heart goes out to those (here on WS) who have survived rape / assault / crimes against women, the list is long, but the BC case is about allegations and perhaps because they span over decades in silence, it resonates with the experience of horror, shame, and silence and not being heard & believed. That is the paradox of the crime and this case. (imo) BC case is as layered and complex as any I have seen.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Because they were unable to identify the substance they were drugged with? Seriously?

It's an imperfect analogy, but are victims of other crimes who were threatened with a gun expected to be believed only if they could name the make and caliber of the gun?

SMH trying to prevent it from exploding.

Bbm Yes, seriously - especially when you can find out what you are drugged with by getting a blood test. And I was thinking more about what will hold up in court should it ever go there.

What is "SMH" short hand for?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Bbm Yes, seriously - especially when you can find out what you are drugged with by getting a blood test. And I was thinking more about what will hold up in court should it ever go there.

What is "SMH" short hand for?

I have never "there but for the grace of God" been raped, but reading these women's accounts of having been drugged and raped and woken up not sure what just happened, can put myself in their shoes, and one of the last things I would be thinking of would be getting myself to a doctor to identify the drug that had been administered to me.

Even had they had the presence of mind to do that, it is my understanding that many of the so-called date-rape drugs disappear from the system so quickly that they wouldn't be detected by a blood test even the next day. Someone correct me if I am mistaken about this.

SMH = shaking my head.

 

[BirdycatNY]

Thank you for the links - there's a big difference in knowing something for one's own self, and knowing something to press charges. So I think my point is more about for some of these older cases especially, I wonder if, at that time, did any of these women want to "know specifically for themselves"...

Determining drugs used from long ago may be difficult, but not impossible. Sexual assault is really traumatic but victims/survivors remember certain parts clearly. Hypothetically, if alleged victims (the ones who BC allegedly gave them pills) could remember say the color of the pill or shape, then LE/pharmaceutical expert may be able to track. How alleged drugs were obtained as well: illegally/legally by whom may be another way to determine such things, all hypothetically speaking of course. Just some thoughts, but if LE investigation ongoing then fact/evidence gathering and we just don't hear about it, so not privy to everything LE is doing.

That is a really good question about whether alleged victims wanted to find out what happened to them for themselves. I think only Beverly Johnson alleged she called BC a day or so later; and if allegations true, some may not want to know violations on them because of the possible depravity factor, jmo. So not knowing may be more comforting than knowing. In general I don't think an alleged perpetrator would be honest necessarily about telling someone what happened to them, jmo. If you find more information though please share.

 

[wendiesan]

I don't - Bbms: What drug did Cosby use? Have you seen any reports or articles about it?

FWIW IMO, it is preposterous to expect a rape victim/survivor who was drugged with an amnesia producing drug be able to describe and then specifically name a drug which she has never seen and had not willingly ingested.

An amnesia-producing effect of "Roofies" may prevent users from remembering how or why they took the drug or even that they were given it by others. This makes investigation of sexually related or other offenses very difficult and may account for repeated reports of "date rapes" involving the use of the drug.

http://earthops.org/rohypnol4.html

However, Joyce Emmons claims that "Cosby offered her a white pill which he said "was a little strong" but could cure a headache". (http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/22/bill-cosby-drugged-friend-rape-allegations-quaalude-pill/) When she woke up naked in bed with one of Cosby's friends, "Emmons says she confronted Bill and demanded to know what drug she took, and he laughed and said it was "just a Quaalude". (http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/22/bill-cosby-drugged-friend-rape-allegations-quaalude-pill)

So, searching for the drug source, one of the more relentless (and accurate) organizations covering this story has found someone who claims to have been one of BC's dealers.

BILL COSBY allegedly raped and abused countless women over four decades, and secretly obtained more than 2,000 “knockout” pills to fuel his sick sexual assaults, The National ENQUIRER can reveal. The bombshell claim comes from a Hollywood drug dealer, who has ripped the lid off the 77-year-old star’s twisted double life and exposed how he obtained the pills in this world exclusive ENQUIRER report.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/world-exclusive-bill-cosby-scored-2000-pills-dr-feelgood

I would bet that the drugs supplied by this or any other Dr. Feelgood contacted by BC or his entourage ran the gamut: Quaaludes were the "drug of choice" in US during the 60s and 70s; Roofies (Rohypnol) in the 90s; Ecstasy, GHB, and Ketamine are other possibilities. (http://www.dplylemd.com/Articles/daterapedrugs.html)

 

[MyBelle]

Determining drugs used from long ago may be difficult, but not impossible. Sexual assault is really traumatic but victims/survivors remember certain parts clearly. Hypothetically, if alleged victims (the ones who BC allegedly gave them pills) could remember say the color of the pill or shape, then LE/pharmaceutical expert may be able to track. How alleged drugs were obtained to, illegally/legally by whom is another way to determine such things, all hypothetically speaking of course. Just some thoughts, but if LE investigation ongoing then fact/evidence gathering and we just don't hear about it, which is a good thing, Jmo.

That is a really good question about whether alleged victims wanted to find out what happened to them, but I think only Beverly Johnson alleged she called him a day or so later; and Jmo if allegations true, some may not want to know violations on them because of the possible depravity factor. So not knowing may be more comforting than knowing. In general I don't think an alleged perpetrator would be honest necessarily about telling someone what happened to them, jmo. If you find more information though please share.

Determining whether a drug was used 30 years ago would be impossible. Determining what the drug was would be impossible. I don't believe LE will not waste one second investigating such allegations without evidence other than a statement from someone who 30 years later "remembers" the pill was yellow or pink or blue. The stories have gone from ridiculous to absurd.


JMHO

 

[MyBelle]

FWIW IMO, it is preposterous to expect a rape victim/survivor who was drugged with an amnesia producing drug be able to describe and then specifically name a drug which she has never seen and had not willingly ingested. http://earthops.org/rohypnol4.html

However, Joyce Emmons claims that "Cosby offered her a white pill which he said "was a little strong" but could cure a headache". (http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/22/bill-cosby-drugged-friend-rape-allegations-quaalude-pill/) When she woke up naked in bed with one of Cosby's friends, "Emmons says she confronted Bill and demanded to know what drug she took, and he laughed and said it was "just a Quaalude". (http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/22/bill-cosby-drugged-friend-rape-allegations-quaalude-pill)

So, searching for the drug source, one of the more relentless (and accurate) organizations covering this story has found someone who claims to have been one of BC's dealers.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/world-exclusive-bill-cosby-scored-2000-pills-dr-feelgood

I would bet that the drugs supplied by this or any other Dr. Feelgood contacted by BC or his entourage ran the gamut: Quaaludes were the "drug of choice" in US during the 60s and 70s; Roofies (Rohypnol) in the 90s; Ecstasy, GHB, and Ketamine are other possibilities. (http://www.dplylemd.com/Articles/daterapedrugs.html)

I don't believe law enforcement ever expects rape victims to remember the drug that was used. I've always thought that's why they draw blood and have lab tests run.

And while a tabloid may have found someone who supplied Cosby with 'ludes, a prescription sleeping pill, there still has to be evidence Cosby gave it to the woman maliciously since the woman evidently asked for something for her headache. He didn't force her to take it, whether it be an aspirin or 'lude and apparently she woke up in bed with someone other than Cosby. Where is the crime?

JMO

 

[Donjeta]

The basis of Green's lawsuit is that Cosby defamed her by denying her version of events. I find that to be pretty laughable. The statute of limitations was about defamation.

Yes I know what her lawsuit is about.
Don't worry she won't get megarich because of this lawsuit.

 

[Donjeta]

Because the accusers have no money. Nothing for Cosby to gain so why bother? He'll wait until they all fade away into oblivion the way Paula Jones faded away.

He doesn't need any more money but they'd fade away more effectively if they were picked apart in court and having people add the sentence "Cosby won his defamation cases in court" in his obituary would be nice for his wife and kids I think.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Cosby's Private Investigators Dig Up Dirt to Discredit Rape Accusers

Bill Cosby has hired a battalion of private investigators to dig up dirt on his many accusers, The Post has learned.

The comedian, fighting an onslaught of accusations that he sexually assaulted more than two dozen women over many years, is paying six-figure fees to private investigators for information that might discredit his alleged victims.

Multiple sources confirmed that Cosby, through his Hollywood attorney Martin Singer, is implementing a scorched-earth strategy in which anything negative in his accusers’ pasts is fair game.

At least one Glendale, Calif.-based firm with a half-dozen former LAPD detectives on staff is muckraking for Cosby, a source said.

http://pagesix.com/2014/12/28/cosby...ccusers/?_ga=1.57953258.1126446268.1335160290

 

[Donjeta]

Because America's Dad would only drug and rape Complete Saints and Angels.

 

[BritsKate]

One wonders, while uncovering all this 'dirt', if anyone will make any allowances for the victims? Sleep disturbances, nightmares, flashbacks, appetite disturbances, sexual inhibition, sexual promiscuity, drugs, alcohol, self-harm, poor recall, persistent depression, mood swings, etc are all a byproduct of having been raped. Each of these women could have a closet full of skeletons and it would mean absolutely nothing - except, perhaps, that they were attempting to reconcile what had happened to them in the best way they knew how at the time.