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[THE BUNK]

It is on Youtube, but I don't remember the name of it. Just Google Lou Smit movie, it will come up. He is still spouting Intruders Did It. I do have a question though. Did anyone in the coroner's office test JBR's blood for date rape drugs like Ecstasy, MDMA, or Rohypnol? Just curious.

Can you hotlink it, please? Check your browser history for "You Tube". I'm sure you should be able to find it.

 

[elannia]

You are not alone. I have my primary which is just Patsy and my secondary which is Burke caused the head injury, Patsy did all the rest.

Thats another possibility too. I am just not so sure john had any part in it (maybe the cover up) but I think not. The evidence is there patsy and burkes fingerprints on the nightie and the glass and bowl. I think she was awake like burke said and went upstairs with patsy to get ready for bed. Maybe john helped burke with his toy the john went to bed. Patsy JB and Burke still awake and want a snack. Maybe patsy goes upstairs to finish packing and something happens between JB and Burke? Patsy runs downstairs and sees jonbenet on the floor? What I dont get is burke saying "well what did you find" and what do I do. He knew something or did something. And also 9 year olds can be curious about the other sex. Just this week in my town there was a ten year old boy who molested a two year old. So I wouldnt put it past him for that. Ok... I am rambling. Will have to post more later

 

[elannia]

I have always wondered... what if john found the ransom note first???

 

[bettybaby00]

Although some--Wendy Murphy being the most notable--believe she was drugged, the Autopsy report clearly indicates that the tox screen came up negative.

 

[ukrberserker23]

It is called" The Killing of JonBenet" 2001 It is on Youtube, but no hyperlink that I could find.

 

[otg]

(bbm)

Thats another possibility too. I am just not so sure john had any part in it (maybe the cover up) but I think not. The evidence is there patsy and burkes fingerprints on the nightie and the glass and bowl. I think she was awake like burke said and went upstairs with patsy to get ready for bed. Maybe john helped burke with his toy the john went to bed. Patsy JB and Burke still awake and want a snack. Maybe patsy goes upstairs to finish packing and something happens between JB and Burke? Patsy runs downstairs and sees jonbenet on the floor? What I dont get is burke saying "well what did you find" and what do I do. He knew something or did something. And also 9 year olds can be curious about the other sex. Just this week in my town there was a ten year old boy who molested a two year old. So I wouldnt put it past him for that. Ok... I am rambling. Will have to post more later

Welcome to WS, elannia. Nubes are are always welcome -- especially when they come with good questions and a sincere desire to understand how this tragedy happened.

About the bbm... There are threads where the 911 call is discussed in detail. When you feel at home here, you might want to explore some of the older threads. I'll give you my explanation of the meaning (others may disagree). First, you have to understand that for Burke to even ask the question on the 911 recording, he had to have been in the room despite earlier Ramsey denials of it. I believe his voice is not only heard at the end of the recording, but at the beginning as well. IF he knew about her death at that point, and IF the RN was staging created by either one of the Ramsey adults, he wouldn't know what a ransom note had to do with JonBenet's death. IF the parents didn't explain the details of what they were doing to protect him, he might think he'd wait until his mother hung up the phone (they thought) and ask about overhearing her tell the 911 operator that they found a ransom note. My understanding of the conversation (there are conflicting reports) revealed by Aerospace enhancement went something like this:

Burke: What did you find?
John: We're not speaking to you.
Burke: Well ( or "But") what did you find? (This would explain why some accounts say their was an emphasis on the word "did".)
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I can give you file links so you can hear the recordings for yourself if you don't know where to find them.

 

[elannia]

(bbm)Welcome to WS, elannia. Nubes are are always welcome -- especially when they come with good questions and a sincere desire to understand how this tragedy happened.

About the bbm... There are threads where the 911 call is discussed in detail. When you feel at home here, you might want to explore some of the older threads. I'll give you my explanation of the meaning (others may disagree). First, you have to understand that for Burke to even ask the question on the 911 recording, he had to have been in the room despite earlier Ramsey denials of it. I believe his voice is not only heard at the end of the recording, but at the beginning as well. IF he knew about her death at that point, and IF the RN was staging created by either one of the Ramsey adults, he wouldn't know what a ransom note had to do with JonBenet's death. IF the parents didn't explain the details of what they were doing to protect him, he might think he'd wait until his mother hung up the phone (they thought) and ask about overhearing her tell the 911 operator that they found a ransom note. My understanding of the conversation (there are conflicting reports) revealed by Aerospace enhancement went something like this:

Burke: What did you find?
John: We're not speaking to you.
Burke: Well ( or "But") what did you find? (This would explain why some accounts say their was an emphasis on the word "did".)
​

I can give you file links so you can hear the recordings for yourself if you don't know where to find them.

Hi. Thanks for the info. Its hard to navigate through here lol. I have been studying this case for awhile now and trying to figure out everything as in where to post and all. I would love to hear the 911 call with burke in it but cant find it anywhere

 

[chlban]

Thats another possibility too. I am just not so sure john had any part in it (maybe the cover up) but I think not. The evidence is there patsy and burkes fingerprints on the nightie and the glass and bowl. I think she was awake like burke said and went upstairs with patsy to get ready for bed. Maybe john helped burke with his toy the john went to bed. Patsy JB and Burke still awake and want a snack. Maybe patsy goes upstairs to finish packing and something happens between JB and Burke? Patsy runs downstairs and sees jonbenet on the floor? What I dont get is burke saying "well what did you find" and what do I do. He knew something or did something. And also 9 year olds can be curious about the other sex. Just this week in my town there was a ten year old boy who molested a two year old. So I wouldnt put it past him for that. Ok... I am rambling. Will have to post more later

Yes, I agree. There are a couple of reasons I don't believe John was involved. The primary one is the Ransom Note. I just think he is far too intelligent to have signed off on that nonsense, while it just screams over dramatic Patsy to me. Another is their behavior to one another that morning. Parents in that type of situation, even those that are separated or divorced, usually cling to one another. Think poor David Smith when he, of course, had no idea that Susan was the monster that had killed their children Yet John and Patsy avoided each other. I think the minute he read the RN it started to dawn on him and he was dealing with that. At the same time she wanted the buffer of their friends around.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks. I was on here a year and a half ago as Ukrberserker. Lost my password, and had to start over. I have read a couple books about it.Watched PMPT, and Lou Smit's movie. Also watched the interviews of JR and PR. Both LE and their press interviews. They both lied about most everything. Can't figure out how to put my icon back on my posts. It was the guy bashing the computer, which is what I did everyday living in Ukraine for 8 years.

Why were you living in the Ukraine? ( just being nosey)


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[elannia]

Otg... can you find the file links about the 911 call?

 

[DeeDee249]

It is on Youtube, but I don't remember the name of it. Just Google Lou Smit movie, it will come up. He is still spouting Intruders Did It. I do have a question though. Did anyone in the coroner's office test JBR's blood for date rape drugs like Ecstasy, MDMA, or Rohypnol? Just curious.

JB's blood was tested and found to be free of drugs.

 

[ukrberserker23]

Something stupid called love. My wife is Ukrainian, and my son was born there.

 

[otg]

There are currently two versions of the recording which have been released by the Boulder DA's office. One was on a cassette and the other was on a CD. There are digital versions of each, but their originals both have been selectively edited at the end. I believe they were edited in an attempt to remove and withhold from the public the reported conversation between Burke and John. One has what sounds like a mechanical repetition sound recorded over it. The other one has what appears to be an erasure done with a recording device. This second one was not edited exact enough to get all of the conversation, and what is left on the recording is the first part of Burke's voice saying, "What did you..." before it is cut off. Some people have difficulty hearing this. But once it is heard, it is easy to pick it out each time it is repeated. Even though part of the entire exchange is missing, the fact that the beginning of it can still be heard is proof enough that Burke was awake and in the same room as his parents at the time of the call, and that within minutes of BPD's arrival he was in bed pretending to be asleep.

The best version is at ACandyRose located here:
http://www.acandyrose.com/patsy911-FFJ.mp3

I've copied it and stored it in my files in case it ever disappears from ACR:
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/yx6vqniha4e7aqa/tape2.mp3

I used a software program to try and clean up some of the background noise in this version:
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/uoudcwjx9w3c2op/patsy911-FFJ_(2013_Cleanup).mp3

All of my files are located here (which you are welcome to copy for your own use):
http://www.mediafire.com/?sz5vaaab2evbo

If it helps to "see" it on a graph, here is a video of where the words appear:
jbr-911-call.avi - YouTube

If you have any questions about any of them, let me know and I'll try to answer. If you want to discuss anything specifically about the 911 call, I suggest using one of the following threads where the 911 call has already been discussed:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?116144-Who-Has-Heard-Burke-s-Voice-on-The-911-Tape
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?116882-911-Call
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?180444-The-lost-recording
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rative-Did-The-Ramseys-Have-In-Mind-Initially
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?226008-quot-What-did-you-find-quot

There are also more discussions about the 911 call beginning on the following pages:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?204924-Happenings-of-December-26/page21
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...en-bugging-me-(WARNING-GRAPHIC-CONTENT)/page4

 

[otg]

Something stupid called love. My wife is Ukrainian, and my son was born there.

We have another poster here at WS from Оде́са.

 

[bettybaby00]

It's ironic that after years of denials, deflections, and lies, the Rs were finally forced to admit he was awake.

 

[elannia]

There are currently two versions of the recording which have been released by the Boulder DA's office. One was on a cassette and the other was on a CD. There are digital versions of each, but their originals both have been selectively edited at the end. I believe they were edited in an attempt to remove and withhold from the public the reported conversation between Burke and John. One has what sounds like a mechanical repetition sound recorded over it. The other one has what appears to be an erasure done with a recording device. This second one was not edited exact enough to get all of the conversation, and what is left on the recording is the first part of Burke's voice saying, "What did you..." before it is cut off. Some people have difficulty hearing this. But once it is heard, it is easy to pick it out each time it is repeated. Even though part of the entire exchange is missing, the fact that the beginning of it can still be heard is proof enough that Burke was awake and in the same room as his parents at the time of the call, and that within minutes of BPD's arrival he was in bed pretending to be asleep.

The best version is at ACandyRose located here:
http://www.acandyrose.com/patsy911-FFJ.mp3

I've copied it and stored it in my files in case it ever disappears from ACR:
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/yx6vqniha4e7aqa/tape2.mp3

I used a software program to try and clean up some of the background noise in this version:
http://www.mediafire.com/listen/uoudcwjx9w3c2op/patsy911-FFJ_(2013_Cleanup).mp3

All of my files are located here (which you are welcome to copy for your own use):
http://www.mediafire.com/?sz5vaaab2evbo

If it helps to "see" it on a graph, here is a video of where the words appear:
jbr-911-call.avi - YouTube

If you have any questions about any of them, let me know and I'll try to answer. If you want to discuss anything specifically about the 911 call, I suggest using one of the following threads where the 911 call has already been discussed:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?116144-Who-Has-Heard-Burke-s-Voice-on-The-911-Tape
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?116882-911-Call
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?180444-The-lost-recording
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...rative-Did-The-Ramseys-Have-In-Mind-Initially
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?226008-quot-What-did-you-find-quot

There are also more discussions about the 911 call beginning on the following pages:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?204924-Happenings-of-December-26/page21
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...en-bugging-me-(WARNING-GRAPHIC-CONTENT)/page4

Thank you I heard burke on the youtube video but not not the other videos. They were lying all right... and also if you were talking to 911 why hurry and hang up on them like patsy tried to do... wouldnt you want to make sure they had all the info. Oh yeah its because Burke WAS THERE!!! The 911 dispatcher also heard him as well as ut says in PMPT

 

[Zzzz]

PR and JR are pretty despicable but they may have simply been trying to protect a scared 9 year old child from anxiety and panic that the phone calls and police would bring. IMO I just don't see any way Burke was involved in this. He was just a child and JB was brutalized. He was tired and anticipating a Disney cruise, surely not thinking about demonizing his sister at midnight.

 

[chlban]

PR and JR are pretty despicable but they may have simply been trying to protect a scared 9 year old child from anxiety and panic that the phone calls and police would bring. IMO I just don't see any way Burke was involved in this. He was just a child and JB was brutalized. He was tired and anticipating a Disney cruise, surely not thinking about demonizing his sister at midnight.

I think there is a possiblity that Burke was involved, although that is more of a secondary theory for me. As far as JB being brutalized and Burke being a child, well children have been known to brutalize other children. However, I don't think he did so in this case. In my (secondary ) scenario, Burke inflicted the head blow. Patsy did the rest.

That theory does not conflict, IMO, with Burke asking "what did you find?" Because Burke would not have known about the fake RN. I don't think even Patsy would include her nine year old in the staging. Most likely sent him to bed and did the rest.

However, my primary theory remains Patsy did it all.

The problem with the idea that they just wanted to protect him from anxiety, and questioning that could well be true. However, it still points to guilt, IMO. Because if there really was an intruder I would think one of the first things innocent parents would do is wake up the child who had been sleeping on the same floor as JB and ask if he heard or saw anything. I just cannot comprehend that if one child is missing, your concern would be with upsetting the child that is still there. The ONLY thing on any parents mind, at that point, would be finding her.

Or at least that would be on the mind of an innocent parent, IMO.

 

[elannia]

PR and JR are pretty despicable but they may have simply been trying to protect a scared 9 year old child from anxiety and panic that the phone calls and police would bring. IMO I just don't see any way Burke was involved in this. He was just a child and JB was brutalized. He was tired and anticipating a Disney cruise, surely not thinking about demonizing his sister at midnight.

All im saying is why the need to lie? He may have known something that could have helped. I understand the trauma of him being a child but why lie about it. Why not say yes our son was awake that morning during the 911 call.

 

[bettybaby00]

What's interesting to note, is that as soon as the first cop arrived, the Rs said, he's asleep, he was asleep the whole time he doesn't know anything.

When the one police officer checks the house, he sees burke "asleep" in his bed. When PW asks where Burke is, she finds it odd he's still in bed b/c she knows he's he's an early riser. When FW suggests that maybe burke would be better off at his house, JR agrees and goes to "wake him" up.

Upon arriving downstairs, officer French (I think it was him IIRC) tries asking him some questions, but JR quickly cuts him off, saying, "he was asleep through the entire incident," and he is led out of the house with FW. The Rs contend we didn't ask him anything b/c he was asleep, and b/c he was asleep he doesn't know anything but we didn't ask him if he knows anything b/c he was asleep. Really?

Burke has no questions before he leaves. No, "what's happening?" "why are all these policemen here?" "Why are the Whites, the minister, my pediatrician here. not even "who are those strange ladies cleaning the counters?" Nothing

In the car ride to the Whites there are again no questions. Wouldn't you think that even if he was somewhat taken off guard by all the strangers and commotion in the house, that after a few minutes in the car he would start asking Fleet--a trusted friend of the family--what the hell was going on? And when an officer goes to the Whites and is able to ask him a few questions he shows no fear for either himself or his sister. Doesn't ask what happened, or if she is going to be ok, or any sort of sentiment that he wishes he could help...NOTHING.

It can be argued--and it has--that everyone is different, and we shouldn't expect a nine year old boy to be overly emotional. maybe so, but the complete lack of fear for himself is an indicator IMO that he knows he has nothing to fear.

:moo: