RDI Theories & Discussion ONLY!

[DeeDee249]

I wish that BDI would be eliminated as a theory, once and for all.

Nothing supports it - not evidence, not common sense.

There is no motive.

On the other hand, the parents are statistically most likely to have hurt their child.

I feel the torch was out because JB was taken to the basement as a punishment, and the lights kept off intentionally.

I think that the blow to the head was made in the basement by the torch, and probably by PR, when JB wouldn't shut up. She'd already been molested and was hysterically over tired and rebellious this time.

The basement in the dark was part of the ritual/torture/punishment thing PR had going on.

PR belted her one across the head, went back upstairs, maybe put BR to bed (or he was already there) then wandered up to inform John of the big oopsy.



:moo:

Unfortunately, BR CANNOT be eliminated as a suspect. He WAS present in the house at the time of the crime. As in any unsolved murder, NO ONE can who was present at the time of the murder can be eliminated UNTIL and UNLESS the killer is NAMED.

 

[BOESP]

If Patsy subjected JonBenet to corporal cleansing (as per Steve Thomas's book) I can see where that cleansing might include restraining JonBenet with cords (tying her hands, stabilizing her head, maybe her ankles, tying her to something, etc.) to keep JonBenet from flailing around and trying to get away while Patsy conducted the corporal cleansing.

I see the possibility that the vaginal damage and the fluids noted in the autopsy report could be consistent with the corporal cleansing rather than the staging. The assumed jabbing with the paintbrush handle I see as possibly an attempt to stage an event that explained the original vaginal damage.

I am not a BDI but perhaps something he and JonBenet were involved in precipitated Patsy's need/want to use a corporal cleansing session on JonBenet. For all we know Burke may have been subjected to similar treatment.

If JR were the molester, Patsy may have felt the same need to cleanse JonBenet.

The fact that an incest-survivor interviewer and juvenile witness interviewer were called in (according to info given by Henry Lee and posted recently under the Henry Lee topic here) suggests, to me, that Burke was just as likely to have been a victim as JonBenet. Or, perhaps, maybe, Patsy could have been an incest-survivor as well as one or more of the children. These are only my thoughts and opinions about Thomas's and Lee's comments.

 

[SapphireSteel]

If Patsy subjected JonBenet to corporal cleansing (as per Steve Thomas's book) I can see where that cleansing might include restraining JonBenet with cords (tying her hands, stabilizing her head, maybe her ankles, tying her to something, etc.) to keep JonBenet from flailing around and trying to get away while Patsy conducted the corporal cleansing.

I see the possibility that the vaginal damage and the fluids noted in the autopsy report could be consistent with the corporal cleansing rather than the staging. The assumed jabbing with the paintbrush handle I see as possibly an attempt to stage an event that explained the original vaginal damage.

I am not a BDI but perhaps something he and JonBenet were involved in precipitated Patsy's need/want to use a corporal cleansing session on JonBenet. For all we know Burke may have been subjected to similar treatment.

If JR were the molester, Patsy may have felt the same need to cleanse JonBenet.

The fact that an incest-survivor interviewer and juvenile witness interviewer were called in (according to info given by Henry Lee and posted recently under the Henry Lee topic here) suggests, to me, that Burke was just as likely to have been a victim as JonBenet. Or, perhaps, maybe, Patsy could have been an incest-survivor as well as one or more of the children. These are only my thoughts and opinions about Thomas's and Lee's comments.

:goodpost:

ITA

He is a victim too, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if he hadn't blocked everything out entirely.

Maybe, one day, he will remember and tell...lease:

:moo:

 

[etamine]

I met a man who lived in Boulder at the time of the murder, and when I asked he said the general theory in the people he knew from around there was that Patsy walked in on John fondling JB, she was understandably pissed and threw a Maglite at him, except it missed and hit JB.

 

[BOESP]

I met a man who lived in Boulder at the time of the murder, and when I asked he said the general theory in the people he knew from around there was that Patsy walked in on John fondling JB, she was understandably pissed and threw a Maglite at him, except it missed and hit JB.

I have a close friend who is retired from Child Protective Services who believed this same thing from the moment she heard about JonBenet on the news. To this day that is still her belief. My friend was very good at her job.

 

[Chelly]

I met a man who lived in Boulder at the time of the murder, and when I asked he said the general theory in the people he knew from around there was that Patsy walked in on John fondling JB, she was understandably pissed and threw a Maglite at him, except it missed and hit JB.

It this is true, PR must have had a powerful throwing arm. But then, she did belong to a softball team.
I can imagine her swinging a golf club at JR, missing and whacking JB>

 

[deca]

I could see this happening, but why wouldn't Patsy confess? Yes, she caused the death of JB, but it was accidental and in the heat of the moment.
If she was scared or had been convinced to lie about it all, I also couldn't imagine staying with perv John all those years later. She would have been able to get a decent settlement, so fearing poverty would not have been a factor.

 

[etamine]

I could see this happening, but why wouldn't Patsy confess? Yes, she caused the death of JB, but it was accidental and in the heat of the moment.
If she was scared or had been convinced to lie about it all, I also couldn't imagine staying with perv John all those years later. She would have been able to get a decent settlement, so fearing poverty would not have been a factor.

You'd be surprised how many parents know a child is being abused, but tell the child to stay quiet so daddy won't get in trouble. To some people, the spouse comes first - and she would have probably received some kind of sentence for accidentally killing JB anyway.

Besides, Patsy was vain and cared a lot about her social status. "How could she let that happen in her home!" would follow her around - a woman like Patsy wouldn't like that at all.

 

[SapphireSteel]

The "PR threw a flashlight" thing doesn't make sense to me, if only because it doesn't fit with the staging and with the lack of a 911 call.

:cow:

 

[SapphireSteel]

You'd be surprised how many parents know a child is being abused, but tell the child to stay quiet so daddy won't get in trouble. To some people, the spouse comes first - and she would have probably received some kind of sentence for accidentally killing JB anyway.

Besides, Patsy was vain and cared a lot about her social status. "How could she let that happen in her home!" would follow her around - a woman like Patsy wouldn't like that at all.

It's fairly clear that JR and PR had an emotionally vacant marriage. These two weren't protecting each other, per se, they were protecting Brand Ramsey.

:moo:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I could see this happening, but why wouldn't Patsy confess? Yes, she caused the death of JB, but it was accidental and in the heat of the moment.
If she was scared or had been convinced to lie about it all, I also couldn't imagine staying with perv John all those years later. She would have been able to get a decent settlement, so fearing poverty would not have been a factor.

She would still be charged in this scenario. She still caused the death of another person, even if it was an accident. John was the one with the connection, not Patsy. Even if she managed to not be charged, why would she want to be known as the mother who killed her daughter?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Unfortunately, BR CANNOT be eliminated as a suspect. He WAS present in the house at the time of the crime. As in any unsolved murder, NO ONE can who was present at the time of the murder can be eliminated UNTIL and UNLESS the killer is NAMED.

Yes it is possible.

But is it likely?

Being 1000% RDI, in my humble opinion J&P were up to their eyeballs in abusing their daughter.

The abuse may have taken different forms for each person. JR may have used JB, PR cleansed her afterward (you dirty, dirty girl, look what you made your father do). My gut tells me PR had major sexual issues, in fact we know sex was an issue between them due to her health. JB became her substitute.

"This was a game that had been played before".

I just don't see any need to bring BR into it, especially as he was heard in the background of the 911 call saying "what did you find?".

If they were engaged in a cover up on his account, he wouldn't be asking what they found, he would already know what they found, and he would already have been instructed to shut up, including while the call was made.



:cow:

 

[BOESP]

The "PR threw a flashlight" thing doesn't make sense to me, if only because it doesn't fit with the staging and with the lack of a 911 call.

:cow:

Actually, my CPS friend thought Patsy just walked in and aimed to hit her husband over the head and instead missed him and hit JonBenet instead. She didn't think it had been thrown. That was her initial reaction. As far as I know she's never studied the available evidence although a lot of information is often found in various classes taught here and there. She also has never obsessed over this case like I have.

It's not my theory but I have tremendous respect for my friend's judgement.

 

[etamine]

If he's not involved, I wonder whether Burke will ever come forward and say what actually happened once his father dies? There's a book deal in it. I hope he does, the truth deserves to be told.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Actually, my CPS friend thought Patsy just walked in and aimed to hit her husband over the head and instead missed him and hit JonBenet instead. She didn't think it had been thrown. That was her initial reaction. As far as I know she's never studied the available evidence although a lot of information is often found in various classes taught here and there. She also has never obsessed over this case like I have.

It's not my theory but I have tremendous respect for my friend's judgement.

The theory presupposes PR was shocked at what she saw, which in turn means she didn't know about the prior abuse either.

Nope. The staging alone tells me she was no horrified shocked mother protecting her baby.

I think she already knew what was going on, in fact participated, if not with the actual sexual abuse, then with the associated ritual. Maybe bringing her to him, keeping her quiet, holding her down, cleaning her afterwards, punishing her if she cried or kicked.

I think PR is the one who took her to that basement, I think that's why the torch was down there. It was part of the punishment to shut her in the dark if she acted up. Maybe that was the night he finally tried intercourse, who knows. It was Christmas. :sick:

 

[SapphireSteel]

If he's not involved, I wonder whether Burke will ever come forward and say what actually happened once his father dies? There's a book deal in it. I hope he does, the truth deserves to be told.

He might not remember.

I know I was beaten quite regularly all my childhood, and the only incident I can actually remember happened at 15...and even then, it's only because I had a witness who confirmed it later.

The brain is a wonderful thing, capable of entirely hiding all sorts of unpleasant events.

 

[Chrishope]

I met a man who lived in Boulder at the time of the murder, and when I asked he said the general theory in the people he knew from around there was that Patsy walked in on John fondling JB, she was understandably pissed and threw a Maglite at him, except it missed and hit JB.

1. Could a maglight thrown do that kind of damage?

2. Why was PR carrying a maglight inside the house. Why not just turn on a light? Was she sneaking up of JR, suspicious of his activities?

 

[Chelly]

1. Could a maglight thrown do that kind of damage?

2. Why was PR carrying a maglight inside the house. Why not just turn on a light? Was she sneaking up of JR, suspicious of his activities?

While I don't subscribe to this theory, I am thinking about it. Everybody is settled down for the night. JR leaves the bedroom thinking PR is asleep. He goes to JB in her bedroom. PR wasn't asleep; JR doesn't return to bed. PR goes to JB's bedroom to check on things. Perhaps she doesn't throw the maglite. Perhaps she tip-toes up to the bed, attempts to hit JR in the head. He reacts quickly and moves and as a result PR smashes JB in the head instead.

 

[Chrishope]

While I don't subscribe to this theory, I am thinking about it. Everybody is settled down for the night. JR leaves the bedroom thinking PR is asleep. He goes to JB in her bedroom. PR wasn't asleep; JR doesn't return to bed. PR goes to JB's bedroom to check on things. Perhaps she doesn't throw the maglite. Perhaps she tip-toes up to the bed, attempts to hit JR in the head. He reacts quickly and moves and as a result PR smashes JB in the head instead.

Yeah, it could be. The problem I've always had with theories along these lines is that if PR was mad at JR for molesting JB I don't really see a coverup following. I see an ambulance call following.

 

[BOESP]

1. Could a maglight thrown do that kind of damage?

2. Why was PR carrying a maglight inside the house. Why not just turn on a light? Was she sneaking up of JR, suspicious of his activities?

I suspect she didn't want the neighbors to see her walking around in the house at that time of night. It might be something else she'd have to explain when her daughter was found later in the day.

I suspect she sat near the waste can where "used" Kleenex were deposited while practicing and re-writing the fake ransom note by the light of the Maglite.