Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[elfie]

Since Rebecca was the one that put the gag in her mouth (otherwise, she could have just spit it out), she could have called for help, put the gag in, and then gone over the railing. Very simple, IMO.

I don't believe that the gag was tied loosely, she could not have spit it out.
Her arms were bound behind her back so she could not have put it back in, anyway.

She could not have balanced on her right foot toes, spit out the gag, undo her arms and then put the gag back in and redo the binding on her arms.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

ThE SDSO stated that it was in her mouth, not tied there. She is the one that tied her arms, she loosely looped them while they were in front of her, took that off and held it still looped, put the end of the t-shirt in her mouth to keep her tongue from being bitten off or found with it protruding, put the loops around her wrists in the back, and pulled the end tight. That is why she was found with the end still clutched in her cold hand.

She slept in the nude, so she was obviously comfortable that way. I also think she did that to shock Jonah more.

JMO, of course.

 

[elfie]

ThE SDSO stated that it was in her mouth, not tied there. She is the one that tied her arms, she loosely looped them while they were in front of her, took that off and held it still looped, put the end of the t-shirt in her mouth to keep her tongue from being bitten off or found with it protruding, put the loops around her wrists in the back, and pulled the end tight. That is why she was found with the end still clutched in her cold hand.

She slept in the nude, so she was obviously comfortable that way. I also think she did that to shock Jonah more.

JMO, of course.

Oh, yes, you are correct on the manner in which the gag was accomplished.

 

[bourne]

Hi Curious Georgia,

Now you've got me curious...the phone journal has never been made public. Could you provide a link to how you are privy to this information?

TIA

When did the phone journal contents become available to the public? Link plz.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

According to Rebecca's autopsy report, a t-shirt was wrapped around her neck three times and I think double-knotted, and a sleeve was stuck in her mouth.

Her murderers wanted to make sure Rebecca would get strangled and suffocated by both the t-shirt and the noose, as well as make it impossible for Rebecca to breathe. Without oxygen or respiration, Rebecca was suffocated -- to simulate what her murderers thought Max had gone through, as alleged in Max's medical reports by Dr. Peterson.

No way no how Rebecca could have made it across the bedroom with her wrists and ankles bound and the t-shirt wound 3x tight around her neck and throat, a sleeve stuffed in her mouth, and a hanging noose around her neck, to leap off a three feet high balcony without making significant dust patterns with her feet and body on the balcony. A physical impossibility.

The problem with your theory is that the ME said that RZ was NOT strangled, and that she was not dragged, drugged, and did not have any defensive wounds.

The "killers" would have had to wear hazemat suits to not leave a trace of ANYTHING. That just didn't happen.

Sorry, but I think it would be SO easy to do what RZ did. I recently went back and read some of the posts from the first few weeks and many people felt that she killed herself. And many felt she killed herself over something to do with Max's accident.

As it is, the case it ruled a suicide because it was looked at by real detectives, at the real scene, looking at real evidence. I highly doubt that ruling will ever be change because, IMO, it is correct and there is no physical evidence to show it was anything but suicide.

JMO.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

According to Rebecca's autopsy report, a t-shirt was wrapped around her neck three times and I think double-knotted, and a sleeve was stuck in her mouth.

No way no how Rebecca could have made it across the bedroom with her wrists and ankles bound and the t-shirt wound 3x tight around her neck and throat, a sleeve stuffed in her mouth, and a hanging noose around her neck, to leap off a three feet high balcony without making significant dust patterns with her feet and body on the balcony. A physical impossibility.

From the investigative narrative, pg. 3, signed by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator

BBM

"A similar rope was also around her neck with a piece of cloth on top, also wrapped around her neck."

From of the Autopsy Report, pg. 4, signed by Jonathan R Lucas, M.D. Deputy Medical Examiner

"She had a reddish-orange rope ligature around her neck and a blue piece of fabric, possibly a shirt, around the neck outside of the ligature."

NOTE that neither statement includes the words "knot" or "knots".


From page 3,

"The decedent's right hand could be removed fairly easily from the binding simply by slipping the hand from the rope."


From page 2,

"The floor of the balcony was very dirty, and two bare footprints consistent with the decedent's dirty bare feet were visible in the dirt just outside the doorframe, with the heels together and the toes out in the shape of a "V". Toe prints, apparently from the right foot, were close to the balcony railing and in line with an area of dirt clearing on the top of the balcony railing and with the point at which the rope was hung over the balcony. Other than a clearly visible matched police officer's fresh boot print, no other foot or shoe prints were seen on the balcony, and there were no other footprints (other than the officer's) or evidence of a struggle."



All of those things, among many others, make it very clear to me that Rebecca Zahau hung herself. There is just no possibility is was NOT suicide.

And that's why I am convinced it WAS suicide.

JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Who do you think Rebecca was talking about in the message on the door?

She (Rebecca, XZ?) saved him (Max, Jonah?), can he (Adam, Max, Jesus?) save her (Rebecca, XZ?, Dina?).

 

[elfie]

Who do you think Rebecca was talking about in the message on the door?

She (Rebecca, XZ?) saved him (Max, Jonah?), can he (Adam, Max, Jesus?) save her (Rebecca, XZ?, Dina?).

I don't think Rebecca painted it.

 

[K_Z]

I don't think Rebecca painted it.

I agree. I don't think she painted it, either.

 

[justice be served]

I agree. I don't think she painted it, either.

In fact, perhaps the killer painted it in a manner similar to the killer's reputed manner of writing and that is why dear Gore had it obliterated so quickly. To help out his buddy in so very many ways.

 

[Inparadise]

I don't think Rebecca painted it.

I think the message was painted by someone other than Rebecca, and the meaning is:
She (Rebecca) saved him (Jonah, from a terrible relationship with Dina), Can you (Jonah) save her (Rebecca, from Dina). It was very taunting in it's nature and intention.........

 

[K_Z]

I think the message was painted by someone other than Rebecca, and the meaning is:
She (Rebecca) saved him (Jonah, from a terrible relationship with Dina), Can you (Jonah) save her (Rebecca, from Dina). It was very taunting in it's nature and intention.........

BBM.

I agree. I have always interpreted that message as an angry, sarcastic, taunting message. I believe it was directed to Jonah.

And not from Rebecca.

 

[justice be served]

BBM.

I agree. I have always interpreted that message as an angry, sarcastic, taunting message. I believe it was directed to Jonah.

And not from Rebecca.

In a scenario where there were multiple murderers, it could have been painted in a rage at one of the other murderers as well.

 

[K_Z]

In a scenario where there were multiple murderers, it could have been painted in a rage at one of the other murderers as well.

Now, that is a really interesting thought. I haven't pondered that angle.

 

[freespeech]

From the investigative narrative, pg. 3, signed by Dana Gary, Medical Examiner Investigator

BBM

"A similar rope was also around her neck with a piece of cloth on top, also wrapped around her neck."

From of the Autopsy Report, pg. 4, signed by Jonathan R Lucas, M.D. Deputy Medical Examiner

"She had a reddish-orange rope ligature around her neck and a blue piece of fabric, possibly a shirt, around the neck outside of the ligature."

NOTE that neither statement includes the words "knot" or "knots".


From page 3,

"The decedent's right hand could be removed fairly easily from the binding simply by slipping the hand from the rope."


From page 2,

"The floor of the balcony was very dirty, and two bare footprints consistent with the decedent's dirty bare feet were visible in the dirt just outside the doorframe, with the heels together and the toes out in the shape of a "V". Toe prints, apparently from the right foot, were close to the balcony railing and in line with an area of dirt clearing on the top of the balcony railing and with the point at which the rope was hung over the balcony. Other than a clearly visible matched police officer's fresh boot print, no other foot or shoe prints were seen on the balcony, and there were no other footprints (other than the officer's) or evidence of a struggle."



All of those things, among many others, make it very clear to me that Rebecca Zahau hung herself. There is just no possibility is was NOT suicide.

And that's why I am convinced it WAS suicide.

JMO

This is to rebut your statement that ..."NOTE that neither statement includes the words "knot" or "knots".

Jonathan Lucas wrote on Rebecca's autopsy report that " Rebecca's neck circumference was about ten and three quarter inches. The tee shirt sleeves were wrapped around the neck, the rope and the hair three times and knotted twice in front. The rope ligature and the tee shirt were cut off and removed for the autopsy."

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

This thread is for those that believe Rebecca committed suicide. Please try to post on the appropriate thread. TIA.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

This is to rebut your statement that ..."NOTE that neither statement includes the words "knot" or "knots".

Jonathan Lucas wrote on Rebecca's autopsy report that " Rebecca's neck circumference was about ten and three quarter inches. The tee shirt sleeves were wrapped around the neck, the rope and the hair three times and knotted twice in front. The rope ligature and the tee shirt were cut off and removed for the autopsy."

I read the autopsy...what page are you claiming this is on?

 

[K_Z]

I read the autopsy...what page are you claiming this is on?

It's on page 8, under the heading "Neck". Here is a link.

http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Other/zahau, rebecca_report.pdf

 

[bourne]

The problem with your theory is that the ME said that RZ was NOT strangled, and that she was not dragged, drugged, and did not have any defensive wounds.

The "killers" would have had to wear hazemat suits to not leave a trace of ANYTHING. That just didn't happen.

Sorry, but I think it would be SO easy to do what RZ did. I recently went back and read some of the posts from the first few weeks and many people felt that she killed herself. And many felt she killed herself over something to do with Max's accident.

As it is, the case it ruled a suicide because it was looked at by real detectives, at the real scene, looking at real evidence. I highly doubt that ruling will ever be change because, IMO, it is correct and there is no physical evidence to show it was anything but suicide.

JMO.

All your statements are invalid as you have no proof, no science backing anything you say.

 

[Inparadise]

All your statements are invalid as you have no proof, no science backing anything you say.

A good "once over" with a vacuum cleaner and a "wipe down" would have taken care of any evidence at the crime scene.