Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #2

[elementry]

True. He could have cut it and the entire rope came down with her body.

IMO

Also if he cut it there right above the noose he could reach that high from the table and not from the second story window; the sudden force of a limp body coming down onto him as he tried to catch it could have broken the table leg too, and also, in the fall, account for the body ending up away from underneath the window and out into the yard a bit.

 

[Wendy101]

Can we have a forum for Rebecca? Would make for easier reading...

 

[kljohnson0458]

Who said he was in his jammies?

By 6:30 am each day I am fully dressed and ready for the day.

A lot of men carry a pocket knife.

IMO

With a knife in your pocket? Sure we all are. I'm up at 5:30 am EST.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Why were Dina and JS divorced. Once an abuser, always an abuser. JMO as we all have. So i"ve added another suspect to my fence list.

JS
DS
AS
:fence:

Why were they divorced? Because they couldnt get along, I guess?:waitasec:

I didnt see either Dina or Jonah as big abusers. Mostly pushing and shoving right around the time their marriage was on the rocks although Jonah did say that she broke his finger once.

Who did Adam abuse?

I missed that.

IMO

 

[anyoldtime48]

Trying my best to understand...

Adma told his neighbour that he was going to work on the tugboats... but ended up at his brothers guest house and this was prior to Max falling down the stairs???

Why would Adam lie to his neighbour about where he was going?

The conversation with the neighbor happened a few days earlier -- in other words, prior to Max's accident. Which would of course have changed his plans. Off to California instead of work. He didn't lie, just was detoured.

 

[elementry]

A sharp knife at 6:45 a.m., in his jammies?

He carries it around between his teeth, pirate style?:woot:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

With a knife in your pocket? Sure we all are. I'm up at 5:30 am EST.

Small Buck knife and I am a female but I putter around the house a lot doing different projects and seem to always need one to cut something.

Now my hubby carries his in his pocket everyday. Just a habit I guess after so many years of carrying one.

IMO

 

[kljohnson0458]

Why were they divorced? Because they couldnt get along, I guess?:waitasec:

I didnt see either Dina or Jonah as big abusers. Mostly pushing and shoving right around the time their marriage was on the rocks although Jonah did say that she broke his finger once.

Who did Adam abuse?

I missed that.

IMO

That would be the jealousy discussed previously if you read back. I believe having been a victim of domestic violence in my early 20's now 53, it involves much more than pushing and shoving. It involves your self esteem, your feeling of wrong or right. If you haven't been there I can't explain it to you. But this woman did not commit suicide and this child IMO did not have the injuries from falling from those carpeted steps. All JMO.

ETA: I did everything I could to hide this abuse from my family and friends. I think with alcohol involved there may have been more going on in that house than we all know. I find the over sexual drive in the so called doctors piece interesting. Think outside the box.

 

[kljohnson0458]

Small Buck knife and I am a female but I putter around the house a lot doing different projects and seem to always need one to cut something.

Now my hubby carries his in his pocket everyday. Just a habit I guess after so many years of carrying one.

IMO

So does my hubby always have his pocket knife and mini tape measurer. I would like to think that AS was the hero but then again I think if I'd walked out my door, I wouldn't have touched anything. Let the cops cut it down. He did the for a reason. Trust me.

 

[elementry]

That would be the jealousy discussed previously if you read back. I believe having been a victim of domestic in my early 20's now 53, it involves much more than pushing and shoving. It involves your self esteem, your feeling of wrong or right. If you haven't been there I can't explain it to you. But this woman did not commit suicide and this child IMO did not have the injuries from falling from those carpeted steps. All JMO.

The allegation of his allowing the dog to become aggressive with her and not preventing this could denote a certain sadism and/or cruelty on Shacknai's part. Had he trained the dog to behave this way? on his orders perhaps? The cruelty and sadism aspect dovetails with the treatment of Rebecca, in the murder scenario. Incidentally, was this the same dog that Rebecca had boarded? She likely would have known about the dog in the domestic violence incident. I believe I read though that the dog she boarded was a Weimaraner, and perhaps the dog from the Sahcknai's DV reports was a german Shephard?

 

[anyoldtime48]

Well wouldn't a person who cut her down have to open the doors to get onto the balcony? And by the way, what is the point of putting cord on each leg, but not binding the legs together?
I fail to see the point of it at all.

her feet were bound together.

Why go upstairs to cut her down when there is a table right there next to her? Save precious seconds if you think they might still be alive. Shortest route. Hop on table, reach over and and cut her down. Possibly bust table leg in the process.

 

[anyoldtime48]

So does my hubby always have his pocket knife and mini tape measurer. I would like to think that AS was the hero but then again I think if I'd walked out my door, I wouldn't have touched anything. Let the cops cut it down. He did the for a reason. Trust me.

Because he thought she might still be alive?

 

[Melanie]

He carries it around between his teeth, pirate style?:woot:

exactly. I don't of any men who would carry a knife on their person at that hour of the morning. I want to know what he cut her down with though and why there are no remenants of a hanging on the balcony (ie, hanging rope). I was reading our local paper today and LE mentioned if was going to be several weeks before we hear anything.

Until then, I can only guess.

MOO

Mel

 

[Lawgirl]

So does my hubby always have his pocket knife and mini tape measurer. I would like to think that AS was the hero but then again I think if I'd walked out my door, I wouldn't have touched anything. Let the cops cut it down. He did the for a reason. Trust me.

Well, I think someone believe they are going to need legal representation of the best kind such as Paul Fginst (spelling unsure). He happens to be a top notch criminal attorney. Someone and he said it was not Jonah Shacknai has retained his counsel. This is why the police has to tread very carefully -- the guns are already drawn for battle.

 

[Carrington]

Wasn't Jonah the one that divorced Dina?

Someone posted a picture last night that made the french door look like a window, with a faux balcony. Then I read this, I'm not sure there is a french door yet!

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/speckels-mansion-renovaton-approved

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

As a victim of suicide in the family, I have to respectfully disagree. Those who are committing suicide in spite of someone are prone to doing it where that person would most likely find them. However, those who commit suicide based on other reasons in their lives are more ept to do it in private, ie their car, behind a building, in the woods.....regardless I do agree that they can't begin to comprehend the the pain it inflicts on the family. That being said, if RN did in fact commit suicide I def. think it was in spite of someone. (I also know a guy who committed suicide because his gf no longer wanted to be with him, so he hung himself on the back of the bedroom door where she would find him in horror...he planned it that way).

I can only go by what little knowledge I have about such things. Which I am thankful to God is very limited even though I have read a lot about those who commit suicides.

I know back in 1998 when my husband's nephew committed suicide at the age of 24 he drove to his grandparents home and shot himself with a shotgun in front of their home. He had called his grandmother and told her to wait up for him that he needed to talk to her. She turned the carport light on for him and waited by the door. She heard him drive up but he did not come in .........then she heard the boom of the shotgun. Both of my in laws were in their 70s at the time and my father in law has passed away now but he nor my mother in law have ever gotten over it. They live in a very rural area and it took the EMTs and LE over 30 minutes to come. They stayed right there with his dead body on the ground until they arrived.

And over 3 weeks ago my daughter's friend for over 25 years hung herself from the chandelier in their foyer. It was right at the front entrance of their home. Her husband opened the front door when he came home and this is the first thing he saw.

IMO

 

[kljohnson0458]

The allegation of his allowing the dog to become aggressive with her and not preventing this could denote a certain sadism and/or cruelty on Shacknai's part. Had he trained the dog to behave this way? on his orders perhaps? The cruelty and sadism aspect dovetails with the treatment of Rebecca, in the murder scenario. Incidentally, was this the same dog that Rebecca had boarded? She likely would have known about the dog in the domestic violence incident. I believe I read though that the dog she boarded was a Weimaraner, and perhaps the dog from the Sahcknai's DV reports was a german Shephard?

The dog boarded was a Weinreimer and I know that is spelled wrong.

 

[Cazzie]

I read "somewhere" that JS utilized/utilizes his own products (the cosmetic enhancement ones). If true, I wonder what, if any, side effects there could be?

 

[i.b.nora]

Arnold W. Klein, MD seems to have had prior connections with just about everybody. And, he pretty much blames and accuses everyone else for everything.

Remember, he was Michael Jackson's facelift guy, one of them anyhow. He has made many many claims about many many people. I am not sure I believe anything he has to say.

 

[sorrell skye]

Why is nothing left from where she hung?

That is the million dollar question.

If she was *cut down* from the balcony railing, it seems to me there would have been a remnant of the rope left on the railing.

Perhaps the rope wasn't anchored to the balcony railing. Perhaps it was anchored to something else. Capt. Tim Curran won't say what the rope was anchored to.

It could be there is no evidence the rope was anchored to anything at all, which, if true, could be why the investigation is still looking into the possibility of a homicide.