Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[MizStery]

..what makes you think that? what i know is that rebecca's sister was the last one to talk to her------i've never seen anything to say that adam SAW her ?

Good Morning Laurie,

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Originally Posted by MizStery
Herding Cats .....Well,if we find out AS was the last person to see RN alive, I have to say you have the best theory.

Has there been a presser that says who was at the mansion Tuesday night? To my knowlege there are conflicting accounts as to who (AS & RN & ?)and what was transpiring(loud noise,party,no party?) at the mansion the night in question.I did read a post on this thread that AS was the last know person to
have seen RN but do not recall a link??




Originally post by Melanie
The presser on CBS (20+ minutes) includes the statement from LE that AS was the last person to see RN on Tuesday evening. You can find this a couple pages back on the upthread.

Thanks!

Mel

 

[pferrin]

I do agree with all the stages of grief..but max was not dead yet. perhaps they were grieving wat could have been. The anger here is difficult to figure out since we dont know any of the parties personally.

I can say how I would have reacted..but not how this group did.

 

[SunnieRN]

There are aspects of this event that one must take into consideration. The words used and spoken, the context in which it was used and by whom.

Many are lead astray by the context of the word hanged used by the brother and him implying it to present a scene of a suicide. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion and following what the brother has stated but his statement may not be true. No one saw her hanging only the after math of his action "revival attempt".

The next point is the LE usage of suspended instead of hanged. That is a different word that describes a different manner of something in the air. It is an operative word that sets a different perspective.

The usage of bound and its description. Once again you have to interpret the word and its usage. Bound but not tied together. Example. Love cuffs (the fluffy kind) with spring clips can bind each ankle but not bind them together.

So don't just listen but listen to the word usage.

It is my opinion that the scene was staged based on a few things. (From the Ariel photo)

1. The orange cord or tether is a pointer that trails along. The feet was the lead and the loose end follows indicating the path or route in which the feet traveled. The cord trails rightward and away from the indicated hang point (Table). This means the brother would have carried her to the far right double the length on the cord and walk back for it to trail back to its resting point. If the table was used in either the hanging or body retrieval the brothers motion would have been a 180 turn and the cord would have been in a closer proximity trailing from the direction of the body.

2. The body was dumped and not placed as a rescuer would need to prepare the body/person for reviving (CPR). Her body was placed with arms in the rear in an unaltered state similar to a dumping and again the cord points to the direction traveled.

The inconsistencies are due to after thought and staging which does not coincide with physics and natural events.

What you must do is discern between the staged articles and natural articles.

There is no witness to an actual hanging only the word of the brother and it seems that many are taking it as factual. She was face down when the police arrived so the hanging can be questioned.

Inobu

:seeya: Hi and welcome to Websleuths!!! It truly is 'all about the words' right now. I read a report that stated, 'hung 'with' a rope around her neck', vs hung 'by' a rope around her neck. To me this was an important clue, as we don't have a lot of actual information right now.

Looking forward to more of your posts.

RBBM

In that presser link Curran said she was "suspended by rope" and bound/tied by something else, he did not elaborate on what it was...

Suspended is also different than being hung. My gosh, this is getting murkier and more confusing!

 

[Paladine]

I know some feel that assigning blame and seeking punishment for who's at fault is not what Maxie's family would be concerned about in the days after his terrible accident and before his actual death. But I think that depends on individual personalities. In my own family there are some of us who expect nothing bad to ever happen, and when it does, someone must have done something wrong. Even something as minor as spilt milk has those with a blame-seeking personality pointing fingers and chastising those who's ineptness caused the milk to spill. I do not mean to equate this child's tragic accident with spilt milk. Just pointing out that a competitive and vengeful personality WOULD be searching for who 'should have' prevented the terrible accident from happening in the first place.

My late husband had a spinal cord injury while away at work, c6-c7. I drove 5 hours in the middle of the night to get there as fast as possible because DR.'s told me on the phone he may at die any time...

I arrived to him FLAILING about, albeit in a useless 'neck brace'...I knew it couldn't be good for his injury, talked to the nurses, and they pretty much wrote off my concerns: whatever damage is done, is done, they said. I even went to the head Neuro who gave me the same line.

We had him airlifted, neck still not surgically stabilized, to a hospital nearer our home...they wouldn't stabilize it THERE because they said eventually he'll be moved, anyways, so they wanted the transfer...3 days later, still not stabilized...no bed ready at the new hospital, yet...

Then we endured a BUMPY ambulance ride to the new hospital, after getting off the plane, I tell you, I felt lke ripping someones head off. EVERY bump made me worry about further damage...I tried to keep him still...

I learned later, that it IS important to stabilize the neck early...and securely. And I learned that the first 24-48 hours are important and can tell wheather it might be a 'complete' or 'incomplete' injury, (hate to be graphic but I recall it has something to do with the response of the rectum, too??) Maxies MRI might have been for head injury but it could also be for spinal injury...my husbands was complete...and I wonder how much that flailing around he did IN HOSPITAL had to do with that.

My point is...I felt rage at this first set of nurses and doctors...I felt they didn't do all they could have done...now, I feel it was because of incompetence and indifference. But if I had personal issues with these people underneath all of that, as DS, AS, or JS might have had with RN...? Well, good thing I was 5 hours away, at that point.

imo, ime

 

[CuriousAmazon]

This IMO was to send a message. RN was dead so who is this message meant for?? There is more to this story. imo

I agree as this is my other theory. A professional (hit)
not from DS/JS, but rather someone who had a personal vendetta against JS. I see a "man" involved in the actual crime, not a female based on the materials used i.e. orange power cord... Just one of my many theories...

 

[peace9274]

I do agree with all the stages of grief..but max was not dead yet. perhaps they were grieving wat could have been. The anger here is difficult to figure out since we dont know any of the parties personally.

I can say how I would have reacted..but not how this group did.

But, as far as I know, he was brain dead & probably being kept alive for organ
donations & possibly until all family members said their good-byes.

DS prolly knew that he was not going to make it, before RN's death.

Years ago, I worked at Los Angeles Children's Hospital & was involved in many "code blues".
Many times, after we had tried to save a child at length, & after he was pronounced dead,
one of the docs would inform us that the child was an organ donar & that s/he needed to
continue to be on life support until the child's organs could be donated.

Also, we kept my mother on life support until all family members arrived, some from very far
away, despite the docs telling us that she was brain dead & nothing more could be done.

 

[pferrin]

I agree as this is my other theory. A professional (hit)
not from DS/JS, but rather someone who had a personal vendetta against JS. I see a "man" involved in the actual crime, not a female based on the materials used i.e. orange power cord... Just one of my many theories...

I agree with may be a hit. I have even started looking at other cultures..ie saudi..to see if this could be a revenge killing. We dont know who had disputes with JS..I have heard many times..dont mess with a man's money.

It is interesting that the killing happened when JS was not at home and the dog in the kennel. Coincidence??? I get stuck there too. If this was because of JS.. many would take this out on him directly. IF RN had been his wife..hit would make sense.

To me this was very personal. When my brother looked at the photos of RN..he said "somebody was PISSED OFF." I keep coming back to this being around JS, AS, DS.

 

[Inobu]

Very good discussions......

To get a better understanding we can use the cliche "It is what it is". In this case a suicide is a suicide and a homicide is a homicide. The events that lead up to the death will indicate which it which.

If we witness a person jumping from a bridge (no one pushing him) the conclusion of a suicide can be made easily. If there are no eye witnesses then information is needed to validate the claim of suicide.

Going back to the cliche a suicide would/should have been cut and dry with a note and a simple death. Often you see the event occur in a closet or such. The more elaborate it gets the further away from the norm it goes. At a certain point past the norm deception starts to take form. When deception is identified the scales starts to tip to homicide and the many different facets (Murder, criminal and so forth).

In RN's case the initial investigation starts off questionable in that the scene was altered which compromises the investigation (no one saw RN in the natural position of death.) This starts the questioning of events.

Questions are further induced by AS claim to make a revival attempt with the found positioning of RN questioning his account not to mention the nudity of her body this takes the case off the norm.

I don't think someone set out to murder her, It does not look like she was in a state of depression to commit suicide which leads to the potential of an accidental death and a cover up that followed.

Here is the point that brings AS first in the pool of suspects. A body that has been hung has certain conditions in place which some of those conditions are visually disturbing and indicates death. For AS to think that he could have revived her he had to have been near the TOD.

A jump to death would have broken the neck and the visual signs of death would have been present negating the need for revival.

These factors plays an important part and the forensic results will validate the true cause of death and the inconsistencies be eliminated.

I think LE has the scene mapped out they just need the forensic to collaborate it and it does have a twist other wise they would have stated the facts long ago.

Inobu

 

[pferrin]

But, as far as I know, he was brain dead & probably being kept alive for organ
donations & possibly until all family members said their good-byes.

DS prolly knew that he was not going to make it, before RN's death.

Years ago, I worked at Los Angeles Children's Hospital & was involved in many "code blues".
Many times, after we had tried to save a child at length, & after he was pronounced dead,
one of the docs would inform us that the child was an organ donar & that s/he needed to
continue to be on life support until the child's organs could be donated.

Also, we kept my mother on life support until all family members arrived, some from very far
away, despite the docs telling us that she was brain dead & nothing more could be done.

I completely agree. I can see that DS would have enough anger and rage for this crime. Her history with her ex and RN was challenging at best..IMO.

Even though I would not try to kill someone with an extension cord..I might use one to try to cover a crime. IE bindings on hands and feet.

 

[justice be served]

This brings up a question in my mind. Between DS or JS being the perpetrator, wouldn't it be easier physically for JS to overcome RN than for DS to do so? RN looks to be stronger than many men and I think she would have fought hard. Also, JS could have come over for a "talk" and it lead to other things more conveniently. If DS had entered the house/her room, RN would have been more suspect of her and immediately been defensive of the encounter?

Just my opinion.

 

[Inobu]

Professional hits are quick and leaves very few clue behind. hits are messy and not only leaves a trail of clues it creates a list of suspects.

If so many questions open up, Who called it? Why in the house? and it takes up back to the root cause driver "blame".

Inobu

 

[pferrin]

This brings up a question in my mind. Between DS or JS being the perpetrator, wouldn't it be easier physically for JS to overcome RN than for DS to do so? RN looks to be stronger than many men and I think she would have fought hard. Also, JS could have come over for a "talk" and it lead to other things more conveniently. If DS had entered the house/her room, RN would have been more suspect of her and immediately been defensive of the encounter?

Just my opinion.

Actually to me RN looks pretty small. It might be easier physically for JS to do this crime however his motives might be different than DS. Scorned woman ..fall of darling son.

If DS had sneaked in the house while RN was sleeping..We just dont have enough facts.

The display of body and bindings and nudity ..and knots are key.

 

[pferrin]

I agree Inobu this would take way too long to be a hit. And many hits are not traceable because they are exacted so quickly. So little evidence is left.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Exactly--highly intoxicated people who commit suicide use simpler methods.

That really isn't true though and it doesn't have anything to do with a simpler method they may have chosen. The methods chosen can run the gambit.

Being under the influence of drugs or alcohol at the time often is a key factor for those who contemplate and carry out any suicides, period.

Many who attempt suicide are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Be aware of this signal. Many attempts are impulsive acts, so be aware of the following warning signs.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/13945-suicide/#ixzz1TbshX2Bg

 

[time]

Professional hits are quick and leaves very few clue behind. hits are messy and not only leaves a trail of clues it creates a list of suspects.

If so many questions open up, Who called it? Why in the house? and it takes up back to the root cause driver "blame".

Inobu

I find the bolded comment from you very interesting. "Hits', I believe, are often dismissed because they don't look like the clean bullet precisely aimed.

 

[time]

There are aspects of this event that one must take into consideration. The words used and spoken, the context in which it was used and by whom.

Many are lead astray by the context of the word hanged used by the brother and him implying it to present a scene of a suicide. Everyone is jumping to the conclusion and following what the brother has stated but his statement may not be true. No one saw her hanging only the after math of his action "revival attempt".

The next point is the LE usage of suspended instead of hanged. That is a different word that describes a different manner of something in the air. It is an operative word that sets a different perspective.

The usage of bound and its description. Once again you have to interpret the word and its usage. Bound but not tied together. Example. Love cuffs (the fluffy kind) with spring clips can bind each ankle but not bind them together.

So don't just listen but listen to the word usage.

It is my opinion that the scene was staged based on a few things. (From the Ariel photo)

1. The orange cord or tether is a pointer that trails along. The feet was the lead and the loose end follows indicating the path or route in which the feet traveled. The cord trails rightward and away from the indicated hang point (Table). This means the brother would have carried her to the far right double the length on the cord and walk back for it to trail back to its resting point. If the table was used in either the hanging or body retrieval the brothers motion would have been a 180 turn and the cord would have been in a closer proximity trailing from the direction of the body.

2. The body was dumped and not placed as a rescuer would need to prepare the body/person for reviving (CPR). Her body was placed with arms in the rear in an unaltered state similar to a dumping and again the cord points to the direction traveled.

The inconsistencies are due to after thought and staging which does not coincide with physics and natural events.

What you must do is discern between the staged articles and natural articles.

There is no witness to an actual hanging only the word of the brother and it seems that many are taking it as factual. She was face down when the police arrived so the hanging can be questioned.

Inobu

Well thought out analysis. Anytime I see a crime/crime scene that just doesn't look or feel right, is difficult to explain, I think staging should be considered.

 

[MizStery]

OK,how about this?

Perhaps the pepetrator had a simmering resentment and dislike of RN. This is staged to look like a revenge killing. Whoever did this was a making a point. RN had a mortal enemy whether she suspected it or not.

MS accident was the perfect cover to implement the violent staged death of Rebecca. The only reason the two are related is the one offered opportunity to carry out the second. i.e. JS out of the house. Non of JS children staying at the mansion.

Tuesday night we have AS in the guesthouse and RS in the mansion all alone. if the culpret was hired then whoever contracted them would have provided the security code. I am sure the mansion had a intercom. RS would not admit any one inside without knowing who it was.

I think MS accident is a red herring. It only offered opportunity to strike when RN was alone
and vunerable in the mansion. This was either carried out per orders from the culprit or it was carried out as a crime of passion by someone who knew and hated RN.

This is my theory. MOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I completely agree. I can see that DS would have enough anger and rage for this crime. Her history with her ex and RN was challenging at best..IMO.

Even though I would not try to kill someone with an extension cord..I might use one to try to cover a crime. IE bindings on hands and feet.

If I had murdered someone (shivers) I certainly wouldn't make the fake suicide staged to look suspicious from the get go. I would not bind the hands and the feet leaving LE more suspicious. I would not display the victim naked and exposed over a balcony railing on the outside of the dwelling. I wouldn't use an electrical cord knowing this victim was not the construction type and would have no need to even know where the electrical cord was kept.

I would really try to make it LOOK like a suicide instead of someone immediately thinking "this is violent and bizarre" where the fake suicide is immediately not bought but brings homicide detectives into the death investigation by the droves.

IMO

 

[Inobu]

As I stated before it is important to listen to the words used and the source.

This article is from Memphis. Home town of AS. http://www.wmctv.com/story/15091608/memphian-discovers-body-in-brothers-san-diego-mansion?clienttype=printable

Adam Shacknai lives in an apartment in Midtown Memphis. His leasing agent neighbor, Robert Sanders, said he last saw him a few days ago.

"He said that he was going to have to go back out on the tugboat company he works for," said Sanders.

Instead, Adam Shacknai ended up in San Diego in a guest house in his brother's mansion.

The time of this conversation is important in that it indicates if AS was trying to set up an alibi or was prior to him knowing the events of his nephew and a change of plan was ensuing unannounced to him.

Monday, Jonah Shacknai's son fell down a staircase at the home and is in a coma. Nalepa was the only one at home with the boy when that happened.

The source of information or comment is important in that it ties RN as a responsible party in someone's mind. The question is where did the reporter get this info and what does the statement implies and by whom?

RN's death is bazaar and not random. It has to be associated to something and someone other then her.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

As I stated before it is important to listen to the words used and the source.

This article is from Memphis. Home town of AS. http://www.wmctv.com/story/15091608/memphian-discovers-body-in-brothers-san-diego-mansion?clienttype=printable

Adam Shacknai lives in an apartment in Midtown Memphis. His leasing agent neighbor, Robert Sanders, said he last saw him a few days ago.

"He said that he was going to have to go back out on the tugboat company he works for," said Sanders.

Instead, Adam Shacknai ended up in San Diego in a guest house in his brother's mansion.

The time of this conversation is important in that it indicates if AS was trying to set up an alibi or was prior to him knowing the events of his nephew and a change of plan was ensuing unannounced to him.

Monday, Jonah Shacknai's son fell down a staircase at the home and is in a coma. Nalepa was the only one at home with the boy when that happened.

The source of information or comment is important in that it ties RN as a responsible party in someone's mind. The question is where did the reporter get this info and what does the statement implies and by whom?

RN's death is bazaar and not random. It has to be associated to something and someone other then her.

Maybe I am missing something but what the man says makes sense to me.

Adam had told him he would be going back out on the tugboat.

That was his original plans, imo.

But then he was advised that Maxie had been gravely injured and was on life support he flew in to be with his brother. Family emergencies can change any family member's plans in a blink of an eye.

Him going back out on the tug boat changed when he was told of Maxie's accident, IMO.

IMO