Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[pferrin]

As I recall the lawyer wasn't even allowed to meet with anyone. I fail to see how that could have possibly happen if JS hired him.

You are right Jenny..I didnt think of that . thanks

 

[Paladine]

This convinces me I have just kept up with too many cases over the years.:floorlaugh:

It isn't uncommon at all that AR are sealed during an ongoing investigation. Once something breaks the media will go to the Judge and request that they be released. The Judge can still seal them if the prosecutor convinces the Judge that the facts in the AR would impede their criminal case if they arrested anyone for this.

IMO

THIS is one of the reasons you are so priceless to have around...

:yourock:

 

[arielilane]

How many floors did the manison have? TIA

 

[Paladine]

But what if the 'client' is Medesis and 'they' can't be met with...? Just as the PR woman, Denise D Resnick, quoted speaking highly of JS in the LA Times works for a pr company that lists Medsis as a "client"...link was posted earlier...

 

[MsFacetious]

Adam Shacknai said from San Diego that the police were questioning him but he did not have anything to do with Nalepa's death.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/15091608...others-san-diego-mansion?clienttype=printable

Now this is from July 15...

I imagine he said he had nothing to do with her death because they was what he was questioned about.

But if this was a clear suicide... why would they be "questioning him about that in the first place??

 

[Paladine]

Forgive me if I missed this but has anyone confirmed who the defense lawyer that showed up at the house was actually defending? An earlier post suggested -- and I agree -- that probably JS's business hired the lawyer. Although the lawyer at that time was quoted that he had never met JS, that could certainly have been a true statement at that juncture -- he just had not YET met him. Have I missed any further speculation or fact on who we think hired the lawyer?

That's where I'm leaning...that Medesis, the Company, hired the lawyer...a nice, neat way to keep JS name out of it, imo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes

1. Cut down the body to revive her.

A hanging by the neck is graphic. A jump from the balcony would have snapped the neck and left a insightful image of death. Bodily functions occur. The question is who is giving the most accurate account. AS's hanged or LE suspended and LE is looking at the evidence before them?

2. Cut down to revive.

The body still had arms behind the back, scarf around neck and orange tethering. The body was also in a positioned that does not reflect a revival attempt as he stated. His only possible revival method is CPR and the body was not poised for that. Action and motive of revival is questionable. Once you start CPR you do not stop.

3. What do you do?

Cut her down and then call 911 or Call 911 and then cut here down? Place the table on the walkway to cut her down and then call 911. Too many illogical questions for a self inflected suicide and what was the actual sequence of events.

4. As for the tugboat the time line is critical but not defined. If he told the agent that he was going to the tugboat but had a ticket to San Diego then that is a questionable comment. Only the agent can clarify. Then the question is Why lie about it? That's my only point. If the event occurred before his notification then it pans out if not you need to understand why?

It is about validating peoples creditability.

Him moving the body compromised the scene in the beginning.

I do find your posts very interesting Inobu.

However I am not following your logic.

Are you saying Adam knew ahead of time that Maxie was going to fall down the stairs and die and RN was going to die too?:waitasec:

Adam certainly isn't the only family member that has compromised a scene when they have found a loved one dead from murder, natural causes, overdoses or suicides. I really don't think he was thinking about Crime Scene 101 at the time all of this was happening.

How can we judge people's credibility when we have not even seen them or heard them speak?

I don't think her neck had to be necessarily broken. The balcony was not up real high. I imagine there was spinal damage and brain stem damage but she most likely died from asphyxiation. Had she jumped off the balcony without a rope she may have broken her neck and some of her lower extremities. In the photo her face is straight up. It does not look like the neck is broken Her face doesn't even look bloated, blackened and swollen imo.

I would imagine since time was of the essence he cut her down first and then dialed 911. I think it is misinformation that she was ever face down. Imo she laid in the same position seen in the photos until the ME came out the the scene later that night after the SW was obtaine. By the time the media helicopter swooped in around 2 pm the medics had long been on the scene when called early that morning.

Did Adam say he did CPR? He may have jumped up on the table and grabbed her around the hips/legs or waist and tried to lift her body up to relieve the tension on her neck from the rope while trying to cut her down. If the electrical cord was around her neck (which I am not sure it was) then he would have tried to remove it hoping she could breathe or at least loosened it way up.

IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

Actually Pfingst could have been hired by DS..He said he was hired by someone connected with this case.. did he ever come out and say he was hired to defend AS??

Wednesday evening, former District Attorney and current defense attorney Paul Pfingst showed up at the crime scene. Pfingst confirmed to News 8 that he had been hired to represent someone connected with this case, although he would not specify who his client is.

"I'm not Jonah's lawyer. I've never spoke with him. As far as I know he's not a suspect of any type," Pfingst said in a statement.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/...mansion-owners-son-girlfriend?redirected=true

BBM

Why would he say that? How would he know that? Unless DS, AS or JS told him.

Perhaps he's on standby for any one of them.......depends on whether LE rule RN's passing as homicide and list someone as a person on interest.

Why did he show up at the mansion on Wednesday evening? Who was still there from the family? JS and DS should have still been at hospital...

Or was he trying to intimidate LE or to "puff himself up"......

 

[defense101]

Actually Pfingst could have been hired by DS..He said he was hired by someone connected with this case.. did he ever come out and say he was hired to defend AS??

From what I read... Paul Pfingst was seen at the mansion last night. He confirmed he was representing someone associated with the house,but said that person is not Jonah Shacknai. Now what that means I'm not sure. that would mean DS or AS?

 

[Wendy101]

OK,how about this?

Perhaps the pepetrator had a simmering resentment and dislike of RN. This is staged to look like a revenge killing. Whoever did this was a making a point. RN had a mortal enemy whether she suspected it or not.

MS accident was the perfect cover to implement the violent staged death of Rebecca. The only reason the two are related is the one offered opportunity to carry out the second. i.e. JS out of the house. Non of JS children staying at the mansion.

Tuesday night we have AS in the guesthouse and RS in the mansion all alone. if the culpret was hired then whoever contracted them would have provided the security code. I am sure the mansion had a intercom. RS would not admit any one inside without knowing who it was.

I think MS accident is a red herring. It only offered opportunity to strike when RN was alone
and vunerable in the mansion. This was either carried out per orders from the culprit or it was carried out as a crime of passion by someone who knew and hated RN.

This is my theory. MOO

IMO .. this could have been Dina that covered it to look like a male (JS) did it. It was the perfect time to do so also...

I know I can't get off Dina, but I think she is one of those wives that just won't let go...

 

[MizStery]

Wednesday evening, former District Attorney and current defense attorney Paul Pfingst showed up at the crime scene. Pfingst confirmed to News 8 that he had been hired to represent someone connected with this case, although he would not specify who his client is.

"I'm not Jonah's lawyer. I've never spoke with him. As far as I know he's not a suspect of any type," Pfingst said in a statement.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/...mansion-owners-son-girlfriend?redirected=true

BBM

Why would he say that? How would he know that? Unless DS, AS or JS told

him.Perhaps he's on standby for any one of them.......depends on whether LE rule
RN's passing as homicide and list someone as a person on interests.
Why did he show up at the mansion on Wednesday evening? Who was stil
there from the family? JS and DS should have still been at hospital...


Or was he trying to intimidate LE or to "puff himself up"......

I also think Medesis through JS hired Mr. Pfinst.Also, Mr. Pfinst would only use the term JS is not a suspect if it were a murder investigation.... not if it were a suicide death. MOO

 

[justbetweenus]

I thought I heard or read that the interior of the house where the balcony is located was suspicious, anyone remember this?

Hmm...I could be wrong but I recall the officer saying something like; we did remove a few suspicious items from the house.A reporter then asked if it was the bedroom.

 

[defense101]

IMO .. this could have been Dina that covered it to look like a male (JS) did it. It was the perfect time to do so also...

I know I can't get off Dina, but I think she is one of those wives that just won't let go...

I agree, I can't get off her either. IMO this would mean her total disconnection from JS, MS is the only thing that kept her connected to JS. As well, just the condition of MS would be enough for a mother to go looking for angry revenge on the person they thought responsible.

 

[Wendy101]

when accused of a criminal offense you call a defense attorney .. WHO called a Paul prior to being charged, and charged for what?

Paul Pfingst was seen at the mansion last night. He confirmed he was representing someone associated with the house.

So, Paul is not representing JS. Who is left in this horrible mess? Dina and Adam.

From what I understand, Adam was not as well off as JS and would not have been able to hire the number one criminal defense lawyer money has to offer.... and I can't beleive that JS is going to pay the lawyer Adam , if Adam killed Rebecca.

I think it is Dinas lawyer. SHe has the money. She had motive (IMO) and she even knew Rebecca would be alone...She IS associated to the house, or WAS. Now with Maxie gone, so are her ties to JS.

 

[arielilane]

I was thinking Paul Pfingst was there as corporate counsel, but since (I believe I read he is a defense counsel), I'm not so sure.

 

[mentalsolstice]

I wonder who the other clients are of that PR team that was hired? Media clients, perhaps? As soon as that PR team was hired, it was like a faucet turned OFF! No info. Something to sleuth...it's my BD today, I hate BD's...but I gotta go out w/the kids and act happy, lol...or I'd search myself...

ALL IMO

Happy Bday! :great::seeya:

I know what you mean. I like to celebrate the way I want, not the way others want me to. For instance, my parents always insist on being present. Which means going to a loud chain restaurant (with my dad asking mom every 2 secs, what did s/he say?), and no adult beverages allowed :maddening: . This year for my 50th, I put my foot down and said "it's my party and I'll cry...er drink if I want to." So instead I met them for brunch at Starbux, and had nice dinner with DH at our favorite Lebanese restaurant where we shared a nice bottle of wine...the same restaurant he took me to for my 30th, and it was our 3rd date. My parents weren't happy, but oh well. Unfortunately, they weren't available at any other time for a 2nd celebration, they had other "priorities".

 

[defense101]

How many floors did the manison have? TIA

From the pictures it looks like two. Some one posted the floor plans earlier way up thread and it only showed two floors.

 

[arielilane]

The houses are so close. I wonder if any neighbors heard anything?

 

[pferrin]

If JS had hired him..there would be no need to show up at the home. Phingst know LE rules about gaining access. Also why do the interview..if JS or PR company hired him..he just put JS more in the limelight. IMO JS does not want to have his name associated with this crime at all.

If he was hired for AS...no need to be there. No need for interview.

By phingst showing up and doing an interview..it plunges JS right into the middle of this investigation. These folks are way smarter than this. Phingst knows ya cant intimidate LE on a crime scene..that is LE playing court.

Maybe he is just a baez..dont know..it is very strange. I cant seem to get past DS and what her involvement is.

 

[CuriousAmazon]

It is about validating peoples creditability.

Him moving the body compromised the scene in the beginning.

Maybe this is why there was an attorney at the scene, who expressly stated he was NOT representing JS. So maybe the lawyer was/is representing AS.

Also, I'm sure JS would want to protect his brother as all this would reflect badly on his image & his company (stocks dropping), plus it is his brother. So many thoughts, hmmm...