Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[gngr~snap]

If she were capable of doing this, I am pretty certain that the drs told them early on that their son was gone--well before it leaked to the public.
IMO,yes, she could have, if she believed that her son was gone. Having to watch him lie there, breathing by artificial means but not alive.

That is why LE was getting the videos from the hospital. To observe who left, when...when did they come back, what were they wearing? etc. Were they wearing something different?

If this is the scenario, I bet it was done out of rage--maybe she went home to shower, change clothes, sleep and being that they lived so near, she detoured and paid a visit to RN. Maybe it was not premeditated as a murder. It began as a confrontation, an emotional event and escalated and RN was killed. The hanging may have been a cover-up to what actually occurred. AS may have even been in on the cover up part of it.

Just me, theorizing....

Doesn't sound to me like RN did anything wrong. JS was the one that had a temper.
How old was MS, 6?

Dina also submitted a two-page letter, describing Jonah as temperamental. She said the incident began over a disagreement with their child’s soiled bedding and that Jonah cursed at her in front of their child.*** sound familiar?

Source: Details Shed on Shacknai's Second Divorce | NBC San Diego

 

[scorekeeper]

Over the last four years, Shacknai met with the city's Historic Resources Commission five times to discuss changes he wanted at the mansion.

They included replacing the original windows with French doors, and adding a master bedroom and a hydraulic roof. His request for the doors was granted eight months ago.

He came back again in May seeking changes to the guest house, caretakers quarters and the garage. Those were approved as well.

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/shacknai-renovation-plans-drew-opponents-in-coronado-not-enemies

hmmmmm

 

[Lovejac]

Completely random, but every time I see the pic of RN/JS with the purple background it reminds me of a (very bad) prom picture. And they are wearing coordinating colors. Belch. I assume an office party or something. It looks like he has used too many injections of his drugs as well.

Another point - someone earlier mentioned bruises (rumors of) on MS. I'd be suspicious of a 6 year old boy who didn't have any bruises! Those come with play and having fun. Obviously, abuse is different, but most kids have bruises.

Amen about the bruises!

If someone took a look and my 5 yo twin boys, they would probably call DSS

 

[Lawgirl]

I need to vent. LOL

OMG there has been so much speculation and theorizing that I am literally dizzy. I can't believe how interested I have become in this case -- and LE is not helping but not saying a word. I will say this: I do not believe this woman killed herself in this manner, and if LE comes back and says it was suicide then I will continue to NOT believe it. Had she done this - in the manner it is proposed - one would have to assume she had utter disdain and hate for herself. Naked, hands and feet bound -- it is utterly disgusting and vile. In my heart and soul, I do not believe she did this. I find it dishonorable to her to even consider this. For one, she was so classy, and cared so much for how she looked. Did she EVER take a bad photo? She looks like an angel in every photo I have seen.

I do not believe she became violent with herself, and killed herself in the most despicable manner, in the most inhumane manner.

What more can I say if the evidence is not clearly presented. I understand that is LE wants to do their job effectively in light of high profile nature of this case, and that they want to solidify their case. I respect that, and anxiously await the results.

A young, vibrant and beautiful woman is dead and someone needs to render an explanation and give her some honor. Let's hope for the best.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- this is one sad case. Rest in peace Rebecca...Rest in peace baby Max...words could not describe what a beautiful child you were/are... precious.

 

[Lovejac]

In this article,
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Rebecca-Zahaus-Family--126121118.html
Rebecca's sister said:
"Rebecca was very intelligent and achieved anything she set her mind on."

I'm not accusing the victim of anything, but as a jilted wife myself, I felt that the woman that my husband left me for was out to take my life. The first time I met her, before I knew that she was sleeping with my husband, she actually asked me to give her a tour of my house and borrowed my bikini to go in my jacuzzi with my 6 year old daughter. (I may add that no one else at the party went in the pool...) This also was "a very intelligent woman who achieved anything she set her mind on."

Where as I now tolerate this woman for my children's sake, I can totally see a less stable, jilted wife feeling she has motive to make RZ pay for taking her only child from her. Also, remember, RZ called Max her son according to the doggie daycare guy, and was preparing to throw a party in DS's former house.

I'm not saying this is OK, I'm just saying, it adds up to one believable motive.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

 

[scorekeeper]

OMG there has been so much speculation and theorizing that I am literally dizzy. I can't believe how interested I have become in this case -- and LE is not helping but not saying a word. I will say this: I do not believe this woman killed herself in this manner, and if LE comes back and says it was suicide then I will continue to NOT believe it. Had she done this - in the manner it is proposed - one would have to assume she had utter disdain and hate for herself. Naked, hands and feet bound -- it is utterly disgusting and vile. In my heart and soul, I simply do not believe she did this. I find it dishonorable to her to even consider this.

Totally, totally agree, Lawgirl.

Well said!!

 

[jjenny]

Add to this it was before the child was even declared dead. If she felt so guilty over the child's demise, why not wait at least until she knew there was no hope whatsoever? Wasn't the child scheduled for an MRI for an Wednesday morning?
Seems to be a bit premature to kill herself over it.
Of course it is so much easier to declare it a suicide-then police doesn't have to look for anyone.
:twocents:

 

[jstwondering]

If she were capable of doing this, I am pretty certain that the drs told them early on that their son was gone--well before it leaked to the public.
IMO,yes, she could have, if she believed that her son was gone. Having to watch him lie there, breathing by artificial means but not alive.

That is why LE was getting the videos from the hospital. To observe who left, when...when did they come back, what were they wearing? etc. Were they wearing something different?

If this is the scenario, I bet it was done out of rage--maybe she went home to shower, change clothes, sleep and being that they lived so near, she detoured and paid a visit to RN. Maybe it was not premeditated as a murder. It began as a confrontation, an emotional event and escalated and RN was killed. The hanging may have been a cover-up to what actually occurred. AS may have even been in on the cover up part of it.

Just me, theorizing....

BBM I agree totally. Here's a portion of what wikipedia says about rage:

"A person in a state of rage may also lose much of his or her capacity for rational thought and reasoning, and may act, usually violently, on his or her impulses to the point that they may attack until they themselves have been incapacitated or the source of their rage has been destroyed."

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[x_files]

Doesn't sound to me like RN did anything wrong. JS was the one that had a temper.
How old was MS, 6?

Dina also submitted a two-page letter, describing Jonah as temperamental. She said the incident began over a disagreement with their child’s soiled bedding and that Jonah cursed at her in front of their child.*** sound familiar?

Source: Details Shed on Shacknai's Second Divorce | NBC San Diego

Maybe JS is an "eraser." Erasing things he finds an obstacle in his life? Or was filled with rage and threw his son down a flight of stairs and was worried she'd spill the truth?

 

[Lawgirl]

Amen about the bruises!

If someone took a look and my 5 yo twin boys, they would probably call DSS

I have a young child who just started to walk, and so far in one week she got three bruises. Would I do anything to avoid that -- absolutely. She is the air that I breathe. Is it possible? Sadly no...I can't as much as I would want to. Children will hurt themselves - they have young immature minds and they don't think before they act.

 

[x_files]

Add to this it was before the child was even declared dead. If she felt so guilty over the child's demise, why not wait at least until she knew there was no hope whatsoever? Wasn't the child scheduled for an MRI for an Wednesday morning?
Seems to be a bit premature to kill herself over it.
Of course it is so much easier to declare it a suicide-then police doesn't have to look for anyone.
:twocents:

I agree. Why not hold out for hope?
I do not buy it. I think she was murdered and the son was abused/killed in a fit of abuse/rage by the father.
A tiger doesn't change it's stripes. He has a violent past with both ex-wives.
Did he ever get treatment for his anger/rage issues?

 

[Lawgirl]

BBM I agree totally. Here's a portion of what wikipedia says about rage:

"A person in a state of rage may also lose much of his or her capacity for rational thought and reasoning, and may act, usually violently, on his or her impulses to the point that they may attack until they themselves have been incapacitated or the source of their rage has been destroyed."

Rage (emotion) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe this! Ever had rage on the road because someone p*ssed you off so badly and been surprised just how angry you got at a total stranger? I have. The rational person stops and thinks Okay this is not worth it at all. Let me let it go - this is a total stranger who is a moron. Now...what about the person who had no reason to hold them back because everything they hold dear is now gone...there is no "this is not worth it" ...all there is left is my life no longer has any meaning because "you" took it all away. There is potential for unadulterated rage imo.

 

[Lawgirl]

I agree. Why not hold out for hope?
I do not buy it. I think she was murdered and the son was abused/killed in a fit of abuse/rage by the father.
A tiger doesn't change it's stripes. He has a violent past with both ex-wives.
Did he ever get treatment for his anger/rage issues?

Hi xfiles, I completely do not feel that way about JS. I think he loved his son more than anything or even anyone in the world. I feel that his son meant the world to him. He appears like he is a real go getter in the business world -- also appears to me to be a womanizer -- his money enables him -- but as far as his child I don't think he abused him. I do not feel he ever would hurt Maxie or any of this children. This is my feeling from the limited information I've read, but I think I've read just as much as anyone... I've been so engrossed.

 

[arielilane]

I need to vent. LOL

OMG there has been so much speculation and theorizing that I am literally dizzy. I can't believe how interested I have become in this case -- and LE is not helping but not saying a word. I will say this: I do not believe this woman killed herself in this manner, and if LE comes back and says it was suicide then I will continue to NOT believe it. Had she done this - in the manner it is proposed - one would have to assume she had utter disdain and hate for herself. Naked, hands and feet bound -- it is utterly disgusting and vile. In my heart and soul, I do not believe she did this. I find it dishonorable to her to even consider this. For one, she was so classy, and cared so much for how she looked. Did she EVER take a bad photo? She looks like an angel in every photo I have seen.

I do not believe she became violent with herself, and killed herself in the most despicable manner, in the most inhumane manner.

What more can I say if the evidence is not clearly presented. I understand that is LE wants to do their job effectively in light of high profile nature of this case, and that they want to solidify their case. I respect that, and anxiously await the results.

A young, vibrant and beautiful woman is dead and someone needs to render an explanation and give her some honor. Let's hope for the best.

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- this is one sad case. Rest in peace Rebecca...

Well stated.
In life she cherished yourself and she would not have done that to herself in death no matter how horrible the situation.

 

[jjenny]

Hi xfiles, I completely do not feel that way about JS. I think he loved his son more than anything or even anyone in the world. I feel that his son meant the world to him. He appears like he is a real go getter in the business world -- also appears to me to be a womanizer -- his money enables him -- but as far as his child I don't think he abused him. I do not feel he ever would hurt Maxie or any of this children. This is my feeling from the limited information I've read, but I think I've read just as much as anyone... I've been so engrossed.

I do agree-even his ex-wives seem to agree that whatever his behavior was as a husband, he was a devoted father. Which makes me curious as to how he would feel toward a g/f that was watching the child when the child had an accident.

 

[x_files]

I think the authorities have made their minds up .. they are waiting for the "test results" to cement it in place.

I think JS has a lot of pull and power far more than the LE there. There will be a PR cover-up.

 

[Lawgirl]

I do agree-even his ex-wives seem to agree that whatever his behavior was as a husband, he was a devoted father. Which makes me curious as to how he would feel toward a g/f that was watching the child when the child had an accident.

Well here we don't know the dynamics of the relationship between RN and the children. Did they hate her, but she tried to be nice all the time for JS's sake? Was there reason for him to believe she would bring harm to the child, or that she would be so negligent as to not care for him properly - watch him - and held her responsible. I always got the impression he was lose with his words -- if there was any abuse it was verbal. I don't read anything about physical abuse towards the women. Dina, well I can understand the drama that went on there. She blamed the dog for scratches, not Jonah. She felt he was going to leave her, was cheating on her and he probably told her some very nasty things...making any woman crazy. The fact that he told his first wife on their honey moon "this is a mistake" tells me he's egocentric - loose with his words - and maybe does not hold women in such high regard. His children - that's a whole other ball game -- his children mean the world to him. This is how i would profile him somewhat...

 

[sdcali]

I started thinking about ES....nothing has been mentioned about him in all of this. Was he visiting in Coronado with his sister, GS at the mansion with their father when all of this occurred?

I found this photo and was intrigued. JS stares (almost sneering) at the camera. Everyone else seems engaged in the jovial celebration (ES Bar Mitzvah) except JS. He appears detached. Is it just me?

All of the kids are there. ES, GS, MS As well as Kim James and RN.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150141158806622.284813.120443706621#!/photo.php?fbid=10150141158871622&set=a.10150141158806622.284813.120443706621&type=1&theater

 

[gngr~snap]

Maybe JS is an "eraser." Erasing things he finds an obstacle in his life? Or was filled with rage and threw his son down a flight of stairs and was worried she'd spill the truth?

Eliminate the witness before she talks. Arrange it asap.
While he is in the ICU with his dying son. ALIBI!!!

I'm not sure she would blame RN at all. She knew he was a threat
she was worried what he might do to destroy her. If she was a child psych... she knew what kids are capable off.

Ms Shacknai, a child psychologist
she said: 'Jonah is the CEO of a large pharmaceutical corporation. He is very clever and very powerful. ..'I feel scared of what he is capable of doing to me physically via the dog as well as the lengths he would try to go to "destroy" me in any way he was able to do so
He wrote: 'I have been assaulted physically several times by my wife, Dina Shacknai... I was treated for a broken finger as a consequence of one such assault.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lent-marriage-ex-wife-Dina.html#ixzz1TMcRTkUZ
who knows:waitasec:

 

[jjenny]

Well here we don't know the dynamics of the relationship between RN and the children. Did they hate her, but she tried to be nice all the time for JS's sake? Was there reason for him to believe she would bring harm to the child, or that she would be so negligent as to not care for him properly - watch him - and held her responsible. I always got the impression he was lose with his words -- if there was any abuse it was verbal. I don't read anything about physical abuse towards the women. Dina, well I can understand the drama that went on there. She blamed the dog for scratches, not Jonah. She felt he was going to leave her, was cheating on her and he probably told her some very nasty things...making any woman crazy. The fact that he told his first wife on their honey moon "this is a mistake" tells me he's egocentric - loose with his words - and maybe does not hold women in such high regard. His children - that's a whole other ball game -- his children mean the world to him. This is how i would profile him somewhat...

I don't see any way RN would be abusive to the children. Because obviously if she did anything the first thing the child would do is to run to the father and complain. If she wanted to marry him, I bet she would try to be super nice to the kids.