Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #4

[scorekeeper]

I don't think it is strange that they worked through their problems. Not all exes seethe with continued anger against the other one and the ones that don't actually have a much healthier attitude imo especially when they have a child or children together. I have heard exes say.....we couldn't be husband and wife but we have learned to be friends now that we are no longer married to each other.

IMO, it is the worst mistake possible for any parents to keep their own vendettas going after a divorce. It is far better if they really love and care about their child's best interest that they lay their animosity for each other aside. If they do not it puts so much needless pressure on the children that have to put up with their parents still being 'at war.' Imo children hate to be caught up in their parents power control issues. It throws them in the middle of a tornado.

The best thing parents can do for their children is to set aside any differences and show their children they can be friends with their daddy or mommy. It leaves the child feeling at ease, loved by both and not having to worry about who they are to show they love and it cuts out the parent from downgrading the other parent too which will backfire on them one day when the child gets older.

So I certainly do think Jonah and Dina could have decide to do the right thing for Max and for themselves too since resentment and anger is just extra baggage that only affects everyone negatively anyway.

I doubt if they were still at odds with each other they would have homes right close to each other. I think they both showed Maxie that they didn't have to be spiteful to each other and showed him constantly that he was their number one priority and they wernet about getting some petty revenge either, imo.

IMO

Based on all the reports/information released, DS and JS fought like "cats and dogs". Nothing says they didn't continue this behavior, other than the joint statement concerning Maxie; which was mainly done for "damage control".

I can see you are a very kind hearted individual and truly believe that everyone is as "nice" as you are. The world is a better place because of you.

But, I am also a woman that my husband left me for my best friend (and yes we had unresolved issues that probably should have been better addressed) but that doesn't excuse them for their actions and what his cheating did to me and the 2 children..........angry, oh yeah, was and can still get angry at him at the drop of a hat.....but that's not here or there...And yes, I am civil to them in public and concerning the kids; and try real hard to keep my thoughts to myself and my friends and not with the kids...

Just saying, I haven't seen anything that says they are or were best friends after the divorce......and if it is "put out now"; it's all from the spin doctors...

I hope LE gives us some more information soon.....they left us with a "violent" and "bizarre" scene.....

I have never seen any suicide described as 'violent'

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This man is a victim of tragic circumstances. Why do you say that?

I remember reading an article about a mom and dad who lost one of their sons to a vehicle accident. His brother was so upset when told about it that he sped to the scene and also had a tragic accident and was killed.

Then we hear quite regularly about someone traveling to a funeral of a loved one only to become victims in a tragic vehicle accident too.

So tragic circumstances sure do happen.

IMO

 

[sdcali]

And as far as GS not pointing - I wonder if she was annoyed at her brother for getting all the attention? Did she have a Bat Mitzvah? ES's party was at the "W" Hotel with entertainment and lots of "wow"-factor. Teens can get moody about stuff like that....

I came across ES formspring account and he and his sister did not sound like they liked each other...pretty foul name calling for siblings. I know it could of been done in jest, but it seemed hostile.

I wonder if there is a jealousy issue. Mom dotes on ES and dad's favorite is GS. Dad is at the back of the photo--mom is right next to ES. In that photo, the older woman on the far left is also not pointing or smiling (Grandma?) and there is a another man to the right of RN that seems to be scowling and I can't tell if he is pointing or not.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Based on all the reports/information released, DS and JS fought like "cats and dogs". Nothing says they didn't continue this behavior, other than the joint statement concerning Maxie; which was mainly done for "damage control".

I can see you are a very kind hearted individual and truly believe that everyone is as "nice" as you are. The world is a better place because of you.

But, I am also a woman that my husband left me for my best friend (and yes we had unresolved issues that probably should have been better addressed) but that doesn't excuse them for their actions and what his cheating did to me and the 2 children..........angry, oh yeah, was and can still get angry at him at the drop of a hat.....but that's not here or there...

Just saying, I haven't seen anything that says they are or were best friends after the divorce......and if it is "put out now"; it's all from the spin doctors...

I hope LE gives us some more information soon.....they left us with a "violent" and "bizarre" scene.....

I have never seen any suicide described as 'violent'

The police said there had been no domestic calls in the past three years at either home.

I am a woman who was horribly abused by my first husband. Even landing me in IC for three weeks. He constantly asked me to forgive him. Finally I did and it was the best thing I have ever done for me and for my children. They knew if I could have it in my heart to forgive him then they could learn to forgive him too.

I or my husband of 28 years could call him right now and he would be here if we needed his help. He is not that man he once was and hasn't been in many years.

IMO

 

[Quester]

I noticed this before, JS looks like he's posing as the center of attention or like it's a publicity pic - he's not looking at his son?

Wife #1 traded for a much younger model, interesting.

Jumping off your post:

And in that photo, is wife #2 included? Her son, MS is there.

I couldn't find her. Anyone?

<mod snip>

 

[Paladine]

What a beautiful and loving tribute to Rebecca in the funeral video. After seeing this I am more convinced than ever she would be incapable of suicide, mostly because she loved life too much. There are so very few facts about this case, and I think $$ can buy a lot of silence!! Any other situation like this and reporters would be all over it. There has been a literal blackout on her death. Also a blackout on Dina, who is my prime suspect for this murder . . . motive? rage, revenge, anger. Maxxi was her last thread of connection to her former husband. My other thought is that she was dead before she was hung over the balcony, otherwise her head would be very discolored, which it is not in the photos. MOO

RBBM

Absolutely, imo...I PRAY the Family gets a second autopsy...

 

[scorekeeper]

RBBM

Absolutely, imo...I PRAY the Family gets a second autopsy...

Hope so too. But wasn't she cremated, so they would have had to request that before RN's body/remains were released. They haven't mentioned their request in any of the reports....

 

[Quester]

For someone who had the mastery to build a highly successful pharma company from scratch and who ascribed to feng shui, the importance of physical fitness, seemingly religious, etc, in his personal life, JS sure has created a lot of confusion (multiple marriages, children from different mothers), drama (alleged/rumored infidelity, police reports re: marital issues, abuse), and anger (messy, lengthy divorces and contested child custody) in his wake.

IF DS is responsible for RN&#8217;s demise, JS has most certainly played a very large role in causing the perfect storm.

 

[Paladine]

Hope so too. But wasn't she cremated, so they would have had to request that before RN's body/remains were released. They haven't mentioned their request in any of the reports....

This is depressing...they probably just trusted the system to do it's job...imo.

 

[scorekeeper]

I came across ES formspring account and he and his sister did not sound like they liked each other...pretty foul name calling for siblings. I know it could of been done in jest, but it seemed hostile.

I wonder if there is a jealousy issue. Mom dotes on ES and dad's favorite is GS. Dad is at the back of the photo--mom is right next to ES. In that photo, the older woman on the far left is also not pointing or smiling (Grandma?) and there is a another man to the right of RN that seems to be scowling and I can't tell if he is pointing or not.

Jealousy is pretty much a learned behavior. Produced from parents having or playing "favorites".

Makes you wonder about AS and JS; could AS have been jealous of JS...did JS want "AS" to make something of himself? Even though perhaps AS may be the happiest in the family....content with his simple life...

 

[pferrin]

Zahau was at home with another woman, whom authorities won't identify, when Max fell down the stairs last Monday, Coronado Police Chief Louis
They seem to be going in the house interrogating some people," one neighbor told 10News. "Twenty minutes later, they brought two women put them in squad car [and] took them away."

http://www.10news.com/news/28534601/detail.html

Finally found it. I was questioning whetherthey were nude or not.
The record is sealed as is the 911 call.

It's unclear what happened to the women.

Thank you for answering...No one was bound that day..I listened to dispatch tapes for that time..I listed findings in last thread.
The 911 caller initially hysterical..gave addy of 1040 ocean not 1043
Dispatch sent fire rescue and police to home at 10:10am RN was doing cpr till rescue arrived
No one bound and no nudity.
Both females RN and GS were taken by police to hospital (am assuming sharps coronado)..since it has ER and is closest. JS had been called and beat them to hospital..the females met with JS there. By 11:00 am ..around that time. Maxie was transported to childrens hospital. no bound or nude women there either. JS followed rescue to childrens . RN and GS were taken by police back to home on ocean. I am positive GS was still freaking out..am sure her father did Not want her any more traumatized than she already was.

Need to add..the police went to ave g to notify dina many times between 10:10 anf 1:00..they called many phone numbers..no luck..I stopped listening at the 1:00 mark.

The only mention of a bound nude woman is rebeccas homicide(IMO). I really believe Tom the Accountant..drinks way too much scotch in the mornings..he has blurred all events into one. JMHO

 

[time]

I don't think it is strange that they worked through their problems. Not all exes seethe with continued anger against the other one and the ones that don't actually have a much healthier attitude imo especially when they have a child or children together. I have heard exes say.....we couldn't be husband and wife but we have learned to be friends now that we are no longer married to each other.

IMO, it is the worst mistake possible for any parents to keep their own vendettas going after a divorce. It is far better if they really love and care about their child's best interest that they lay their animosity for each other aside. If they do not it puts so much needless pressure on the children that have to put up with their parents still being 'at war.' Imo children hate to be caught up in their parents power control issues. It throws them in the middle of a tornado.

The best thing parents can do for their children is to set aside any differences and show their children they can be friends with their daddy or mommy. It leaves the child feeling at ease, loved by both and not having to worry about who they are to show they love and it cuts out the parent from downgrading the other parent too which will backfire on them one day when the child gets older.

So I certainly do think Jonah and Dina could have decide to do the right thing for Max and for themselves too since resentment and anger is just extra baggage that only affects everyone negatively anyway.

I doubt if they were still at odds with each other they would have homes right close to each other. I think they both showed Maxie that they didn't have to be spiteful to each other and showed him constantly that he was their number one priority and they werent about getting some petty revenge either, imo.

IMO

Ocean ... I agree with limitations. I have seen a lot of nasty divorces, but they don't get physically violent and involve that many police calls. I believe some of these calls were a year apart? I'd have to recheck.

I don't know about getting revenge on each other, but I think far more nasty divorces end because of space/distance and time spent together being the factor that keeps people from engaging with such anger. The $$ are also finally settled one way or the other. That and others coming into their lives (having said that, I never heard Dina had a new partner/significant other).

I think people who are so dysfunctional together that big harry shouting matches and physical violence recurs probably maintain feelings of love/hate relationship. The relationship doesn't get healthy just because you are split, it just calms down.

 

[~n/t~]

I would like to see the photos the teens took, cause you know they did.
Maybe I don't want to see them, but they would be a lot clearer than what we are trying to work with.
IMO

The teens on the roof took photos?

 

[sdcali]

Who is Dina's sister? Some article a while back (posted) said she was with Dina/at the hospital.

I don't at all believe both of them were there 24/7 in the first place. Secondly, I think they knew all hope was lost within a very short time of Max's fall, they were not sitting vigil.

Her name is Nina. I found an obit of their father in 2003 and it listed his two daughters, nina and dina and husbands and GS and ES (max was not born yet)

 

[time]

Jumping off your post:

And in that photo, is wife #2 included? Her son, MS is there.

I couldn't find her. Anyone?

<mod snip>

I wasn't sure if that dark, long haired woman on the left was her? Looks too young, but then again their product use+ is pretty apparent.

 

[~n/t~]

No, I didn't say it was common (like taking an overdose of drugs) but it does happen. Females do hang themselves.

What is rare is to do it publicly in a wide open area outside of a dwelling to be exposed to anyone and everyone who may come across the body. So if she had done these same things inside the mansion... like say for intstance......hanging from a light fixture or some overhead beam in a room somewhere then that would be more common, imo. Even being naked when doing so.

But by hanging herself over an outside balcony for everyone to see her naked and hung just seems more like what a murderer would do than a female that was wanting to hang herself. The ceilings in the mansion were certainly high enough to achieve that inside the home just by putting the rope around a light fixture and standing on a chair and pushing the chair out from under her with her feet.

So the exposure to the 'world' does seem more like a murder than a suicide. So if she was murdered why would they make the suicide look more like a murder than a suicide ? That is my point.

It is how she was found hanging from the outside balcony naked that makes many people think it was murder and the reason imo why LE says it was a violent and suspicious death.

imo

ok gotcha! Thanks:seeya:

 

[gngr~snap]

BBM

I have said the very same thing a few times here.

If she were found close in time to when she was hanged, there
may not be much facial discoloration. But, it definitely looks as
though rigor mortis has set in, which means she was dead for awhile.

You may be right. She may have been dead already.
Usually in suicide by hanging (where the airwat was cut off not allowing oxygen to the brain) you would only see black/dark hands and feet. Maybe a little discoloration around the mouth.
The blood is pulled by gravity.Their faces are still flesh tone.

Not that anyone wants to see but for those with a morbid curiosity...
about suicide by hanging *photos google it and go to images.
I have a link if anyone wants to see not photoshopped/fake pics.
(they are black and white):waitasec: I think

Black faces come from traumatic hangings where blood vessels or arteries are broken. This can happen due to jumping or the sheer weight of the person.
IMO she was murdered already dead before the staging was done.
She was hogtied, layed in the grass while a table was located, the rope was tied and toessed toward the ground in the dark. the french doors were shut. When trying to retrieve the rope from the balcony to set the scene the old table broke.- so 911 was called and told of the "intended" scenario as instructed by ?whomever? to get their payday.
The media HAD to say she commited suicide in the nude by hanging herself.

The mnasion did not have security cameras but it might have had a security system. Looks like a sign in the grass by the front door. If it was set that night
makes me think she knew her attacker. -well that and how violent police said it was.

 

[Bonepile]

I have been checking the websites of the six St. Joseph Missouri funeral homes for this listing for days now and finally it appeared ... http://www.meierhoffer.com/obituaries/rebecca-m-zahau-2/ as noted earlier this morning ... Notice if you click her name under interments you get the following information:

Deceased: Rebecca M. Zahau
Funeral Home: Meierhoffer Funeral Home & Crematory
Interment Date: July 23, 2011
Reference #: 31,913
Cemetery: St. Joseph Memorial Park Cemetery

which lists the date of interment (last Saturday) and the home's reference number is the cemetery reference number as they run in sequence if buried at St. Joseph's Park, and also the cemetery where she is buried which is the same. She may have been cremated since they do provide that service.

This is a little more documentation than the obituary lists.

 

[time]

The police said there had been no domestic calls in the past three years at either home.

I am a woman who was horribly abused by my first husband. Even landing me in IC for three weeks. He constantly asked me to forgive him. Finally I did and it was the best thing I have ever done for me and for my children. They knew if I could have it in my heart to forgive him then they could learn to forgive him too.

I or my husband of 28 years could call him right now and he would be here if we needed his help. He is not that man he once was and hasn't been in many years.

IMO

Good for you ... but forgiveness doesn't mean you have to have further contact with someone (except maybe for kids). And, I do NOT think ex's have to be friends or even that it's typically a good idea. Or even friendly. Congenial and cooperative, yes. The kids need stability. Sometimes being too friendly with each other and not disengaging makes kids think you are getting back together also and confuses them. If they are old enough to know or remember the two of you having knock down drag out fights then becoming friends might make them think these these are normal.

Also, I believe there was a call in 2009 for the Shacknais. The 3 years was in Coronado not in Arizona.

 

[Morag]

The thing that strikes me about the marital quarrelling and violence is that JS is over 50 years old. I can understand younger people acting this way, but a man well into middle age? I wonder what the age difference is between DS and JS?